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Genuine question for Tory voters

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Bluebeedee · 02/06/2017 12:54

Really not asking this in a goady way- I just want to know if anyone has changed their mind over the last few days of TM refusing to do any interviews/debates. I don't think Rudd did anything positive for the Conservative party with her appearance on the debate the other night and what I have seen of TM, she seems like she might actually be having a bit of a breakdown?

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Fontella · 02/06/2017 23:38

This has been a dark and depressing foray into Tory land and you've worn me down.

Oh do give over with the melodramatics.

You've been living in 'Tory land' for several years, seeing as how we have had a Conservative prime minister since 2010.

The sky hasn't fallen in, the world hasn't come to an end. In fact compared to most world economies we've done well, and compared to most of our EU fellow members we've done very well indeed, no doubt due to never having signed up the the Euro. Just ask the Greeks, Portuguese, Spanish, Italians .. how that's working out.

If you find venturing into a Tory land thread dark and depressing, it's a wonder you've survived the past 7 years in a country governed by the Conservatives.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:39

took

Its been a very depressing thread to read

According to some a 2 bed for 300 per month is a piece of piss, no moving costs plenty of jobs in the new area, no family support

And no malnutrition...

And that last comment of young regarding the 72% tax rate ? Lovely

Effic · 02/06/2017 23:45

Today 22:34 Effic

It seems my post was invisible???? So I'll try again .......

Mother of bleach / took - no one is suggesting that you chose any of the circumstances. What we suggesting is that us " rich" as hysterically portrayed by the left are already paying our 40% - we don't want thanking for it, it's what's due but we'd rather not be demonized as disabilitist, baby eating Tories and told we should pay even more. Surely the fact that the "top" 5% of earners are paying half the tax revenues of the entire country should be enough ..... but no - you want more and for your own personal gain against my family. Why should your family trump mine?

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:48

I dont think your post is invisible effic

I just think people are ignoring it

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 02/06/2017 23:48

Rufus I am just very glad that I don't live in lefty land, where it seems that taking simple steps to improve one's lot is too much like hard work.

I know a lot about poverty. I grew up with no central heating, color TV or telephone on a council estate. (I'm not that old - most people had those things!) To suggest that poverty afflicts everyone in a household with

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:50

I dont want to live in lefty land or tory land

They both sound dreadful

And you do know that old people get malnourished dont you

Bit harsh blaming an OAPs parents

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 02/06/2017 23:50

Effic you are right, and fortunately for the outcome of the GE, most people in RL also agree with you.

Effic · 02/06/2017 23:52

Fair enough! Thought the point of an open debate in a public forum was to listen, value and include all points of view? Clearly not Smile Will leave it to the echo chamber - all tories bad; all Corbynits - good.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:52

And no one has called you an evil baby boiler

Unless i have missed something which is entirely possible Smile

I just think people are being overly harsh about other posters personal experiences

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 02/06/2017 23:52

Rufus the specific article referenced by took was a BMJ article about childhood malnutrition. But yes, I should have referenced that in my post.

OAP's are likely feeling the pinch, but again, they don't get much sympathy on here. They gobble up most of the welfare budget, after all. Hmm

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:53

I wasn't ignoring it effic Smile

My posts are always being ignored

citroenpresse · 02/06/2017 23:54

Poverty is a 'lifestyle' choice Young? Stories of those who starved to death www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefit-changes-are-killing-the-vulnerable-say-campaigners-9877872.html are they just 'fake news'.

This the kind of society you are voting for?

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:54

And see young didnt ignore it either Smile

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 02/06/2017 23:54

Love the word Corbynits - very appropriate in the circumstances! Grin

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 02/06/2017 23:54

That's because there's no proof in them, Rufus.

You know that.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:55

Yes good point chardonnay Grin

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:56

I'm not a corbynit or a torynit

Just a nit

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 02/06/2017 23:56

Wait Hmm

tookawhile · 02/06/2017 23:57

Fontella

it's a wonder you've survived the past 7 years in a country governed by the Conservatives.

I agree with you there.

Damn goaded back into crazy world!

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 02/06/2017 23:57

Citroen this was discussed earlier on the thread. Do you honestly think anyone is going to say "great!" in response to that? Anecdotes may be individually troubling, but they should not be used as a basis for formulating policy. I say that as a person with a disability.

I still fav our fiscal responsibility when it comes to spending, including welfare spending.

MotherOfBleach · 03/06/2017 00:01

I said way back in this thread, I do not want more benefits. I am satisfied with the tax credits I get, though it is a struggle making ends meet, we do manage most weeks. I do not want my 'lifestyle choices' funded by anyone but myself and work towards that daily (I am working between skimming this thread - which is why I missed your post)

What I want is better funded education and NHS. I'd also welcome a rejig of the housing situation, especially the bedroom tax situation (rent is the only area I do want more financial help and I'd prefer it to be via rent controls than higher benefits)

This would help me in a number of ways. If mental health services received more funding, my local CAHMS might be able to take on enough counselors so that one was available to give DD the time she needs to open up to them. As it is, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place atm with her. She won't engage with them, they don't have the resources to help her if she won't engage. She won't engage because she suffers anxiety (in part around speaking to strangers)

More funding in education would mean smaller class sizes, enabling DD to feel more confident in the classroom and less prone to panic attacks.

If I could improve her mental health, I would be free to look for work outside the home to supplement my self employment income.

I do not want my family to trump anyone. I want better services for all. I don't believe I'll get that under the tories.

Oh and as a side note, I didn't chose for my child to suffer poor mental health. Nor did I chose for my ex-H to kick us out.

Madeyemoodysmum · 03/06/2017 00:04

I have voted labour. Lib dem and Tory.

I was goi g to vote Tory this time until TM accounted the "dementia tax "

No way will I ever vote for that. It's unfair and cruel imo.

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 03/06/2017 00:08

Someone just sent me this and it seems apposite...

Genuine question for Tory voters
Effic · 03/06/2017 00:10

I do understand that you want a better funded NHS and better funded education and better funded mental health services and better funded everything ..... problem is you want me to pay for it and I think/feel that I pay enough. Sorry, but I do. So the Corbynite mantra of "the rich evil bastards that need to pay more" doesn't wash with me. I miss the middle .... where the hell did the middle go?

Fontella · 03/06/2017 00:11

More funding in education would mean smaller class sizes, enabling DD to feel more confident in the classroom and less prone to panic attacks.

Less people living on a tiny little island half the size of France (with the same population) which would fit easily inside no less than 7 US states, would also ensure smaller class sizes, an NHS service and infrastructure that could actually cope with the number of people it has to serve.

Why is it that the left, seem to think that throwing more money at everything is going to solve all the problems of NHS waiting lists, overcrowded schools, lack of social housing and gridlocked roads, but unfettered immigration with hundreds of thousands of people coming into the country every year - has absolutely no bearing on these problems?

You do know we are the fourth most overcrowded region of Europe? Only the minuscule Malta, the Netherland and Belgium are more densely populated than us.