Genuine question for Tory voters

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Really not asking this in a goady way- I just want to know if anyone has changed their mind over the last few days of TM refusing to do any interviews/debates. I don't think Rudd did anything positive for the Conservative party with her appearance on the debate the other night and what I have seen of TM, she seems like she might actually be having a bit of a breakdown?

You think labour voters don't want a 'strong economy'? Every time there was a glimmer of hope that Article 50 would not be invoked, the pound shot up against the Euro. Macron elected...another surge. Tory landslide? Market nose dive.

Wow Young you seem to feel extremely qualified to pass judgement on something you know nothing about - my life!!

If you look back at my posts you will see I have talked about policies and given links to articles to support my argument. I mainly received insults in response.

I mentioned my own circumstances briefly and only had to return to discussing them when I was accused of lying! I was at pains to point out that many are worse off than me and my concern is for the rising cases of hunger and malnutrition in this country.

I am interested in a government that restores some of the living conditions that were available in previous decades. Our children will leave education with large debts and little chance of buying a house and that concerns me.

Maybe that makes me simple - if so I accept the accusation.

Don't be silly tookawhile we all know you chose a zero hours contract when there were other options available.

Just like I chose to have a mentally unwell child. Self harm is fun, dontcha know?

MrsDV chose to have disabilities.

All of us who are struggling in face of austerity and cuts are struggling because of choices of we made.

If you are concerned about debt then why in the name of everything holy do you intend to vote Labour? Even when the tax take soared during the bad (but profitable) days of casino banking, they pissed the lot away, and they seem to have learnt nothing since. Corbyn is Momentum's puppet playing nice to get elected. It's always lovely to think that we are going to get all sorts of lovely stuff for "fweee" but ime it's only the left who ar daft enough to believe that spending beyond our means now won't fuck things up for our grandchildren. We may still be the 6th largest economy in the world, but we have slipped to 26th on a per capita basis, i.e. too many people and not enough productivity. One has to be really hard of thinking to believe in "jam for all" in those circumstances.

And I simply do not believe that malnutrition happens in this country without willful parental neglect or some really terrible spending priorities. Not amount of sanctimonious hand-wringing from self-aggrandising charities will persuade me otherwise.

Mother of bleach / no one is suggesting that you chose any of the circumstances. What we suggesting is that some of us "the rich" as hysterically portrayed hub he left are paying our 40% - we don't want thanking for it, it's what's due but we'd rather not be demonized as disabilitist, baby eating Tories and told we should pay even more. Surely the fact that the "top" 5% of earners are paying half the tax revenues of the entire country should be enough ..... but no - you want more and for your own personal gain against my family. Why should your family trump mine?

MotherOfBleach

I know us simple folk are our own worst enemies.

Never mind, Theresa May will sort us out.

tookawhile we are not in a perfect position, or even good for some, but I challenge the view things were better in the past. Relative poverty is defined as having less than £300/week for a couple with 2 children. That is £15,500 a year.
There are many places you can rent a 2 bed place for £300/month, leaving £1,000 a month for bills and food. Is that totally comfortable, no is it achievable without suffering, yes.

If you are concerned about debt then why in the name of everything holy do you intend to vote Labour?

Because historically Labour borrow less and pay back more?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

There are many places you can rent a 2 bed place for £300/month, leaving £1,000 a month for bills and food. Is that totally comfortable, no is it achievable without suffering, yes.

I couldn't rent a shed round here for £300 a month. You can't just make up figures to suit your opinion.

Ah yes, Tax Research UK, that totally unbiased organization run by a well-known leftist who writes for the Guardian amongst others. 0/10, must try harder.

And how much are we borrowing to pay off Brown's debt? Because we sure as shit aren't spending what we borrow on the "poor", to quote half of MN.

took if you choose to live in an expensive part of the country, why do you think your choice should be subsidized? 300 a month would get you plenty here too. I am a HR taxpayer as is DH. We can't afford to live in London.

That Tax Research UK article is an absolute crock of shite!

Conservative borrowing has occurred when the country was on its needs was rebuilding after the decimation of WW2, and also when it's been voting into power and had to clean up the economic mess left by a socialist government.

I was also wondering where you can rent a two bed for £300 pcm.

I live in one of the most deprived areas in the country and even here the cheapest you'd find is knocking towards the £400 mark.

My rent is £395 for a two up, two down terraced.

Sorry for typos.

I'll try again ...

That Tax Research UK article is an absolute crock of shite!

Conservative borrowing has occurred when the country was on its knees and was rebuilding after the decimation of WW2, and also when it was voted into power and had to clean up the economic mess left by a socialist government.

Young

And I simply do not believe that malnutrition happens in this country without willful parental neglect or some really terrible spending priorities. Not amount of sanctimonious hand-wringing from self-aggrandising charities will persuade me otherwise.

And there it is in a nutshell. Is the British Medical Journal a self- aggrandising charity? You just can't accept the facts in front of you.

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/find.html?searchType=RENT&locationIdentifier=REGION%5E1115&insId=1&radius=0.0&minPrice=&maxPrice=300&minBedrooms=2&maxBedrooms=&displayPropertyType=&maxDaysSinceAdded=&sortByPriceDescending=&_includeLetAgreed=on&primaryDisplayPropertyType=&secondaryDisplayPropertyType=&oldDisplayPropertyType=&oldPrimaryDisplayPropertyType=&letType=&letFurnishType=&houseFlatShare=false

Oh, look, a grand total of one two bed property for less than £300 pcm. And it's a flat. With just about enough room to swing a cat. Perfect for my family of three adult sized women. Where do I sign up?

took if you choose to live in an expensive part of the country, why do you think your choice should be subsidized?

WTAF Young do you never listen. I am not asking for any handouts. I live where I have lived for the last 30 years and where my partner and son have grown up. I suppose you want us to uproot ourselves and move hundreds of miles, thereby losing the income we do have and all friends and family support. Yes that'll help.

2 bed for 300 pm??? Where in the uk is that possible?!

Well took I have done that 3 times in the last 5 years in the interests of my work/career. If your current working conditions are bad enough to moan about them on here, then why not try to change them? You suggest you are paying a fortune in rent and yet have on occasion had only 8 quid to feed 3 people - does not compute.

The article you reference also uses relative poverty as a measure and other posters have already explained better than I can why that concept is a piece of self-fulfilling nonsense. A loaf of bread costs pennies - no child should be hungry in the U.K. In 2017 unless their parents are useless and neglectful. No matter how much the left might wish that to be true.

took no it's not nice having to uproot. We've done it lots - and I mean lots - to keep a job and a roof over our heads. I don't live near family either - I'd love to!
Your expectations are strange to me - it's the first thing I'd do to make my costs smaller.
But you want us to pay more for you because you won't consider what I've had to?

Oh God Young I can't waste any more time on you.

This has been a dark and depressing foray into Tory land and you've worn me down.

And of course, uprooting your entire family and moving them across the country is entirely free. There's no upfront cost that would be impossible for someone on a low/unstable income to afford.

Christ, I can't even afford to move from one end of the street to the other and yet posters believe the answers to poverty lie in moving to a lower cost area?

Do you even math, bro?

MotherofBleach

Exactly and would I be moving to an area where there is even less work cos that will help too.

This has been a dark and depressing foray into Tory land and you've worn me down.

Does this mean that you don't want me and DH to pay 72% marginal rate tax to fund your lifestyle choices after all? Good-o.

Do you even math, bro?

I can confidently say that I "math" better than the woman that many on this thread want to be Home Sec. I admit that doesn't count for much.