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Lifelong Labour supporters who feel we need a more robust leader than Corbyn, how are you voting?

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LesLiaisonsDangereuses · 04/05/2017 17:15

I have always voted Labour. I am a socialist. I loathe everything thé Tories have done to the disabled, to schools, their priorities are not mine. But I also feel strongly that Corbyn is incompetent. Thinking of voting Lib Dem with a heavy heart.
Any advice?

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BelleTheSheepdog · 05/05/2017 09:59

Spoiling the ballot is a tiny way of sending a message. At the very least to the candidates at the count who will look over all "unclear" ballots.

Spoiled ballots are also tallied and the numbers announced. If there was a big uptick nationwide it would be mentioned.

It's not much but it is something.

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 10:35

i'm in Scotland - our seat is safe SNP, tactical vote is labour but if the tories make significant gains (they're second after labour) I may be a limited time only tory. I agree it's awful what the tories have done on disabled policies, but Corbyn is worse, the party members have GOT to get their act together and vote him out.

tobee · 05/05/2017 11:19

The only thing I can hope is that this is the low water mark and must therefore be only possible to be upwards from here. But I'm scared that everything will be smashed to smithereens. We just have to see what fills the void. Tories have always had the attitude that they are the natural party of power, that is their strength.

tobee · 05/05/2017 11:20

Sorry that's so badly phrased.

sarahloupowell · 05/05/2017 11:24

My suggestion is to vote for the party with the policies you agree on and not vote based on a person. Leaders can come and go...take the current prime minister as a perfect illustration of this. Having heard Corbyn speak publicly, I think he is quite different to what the media portray. For me personally, I would be voting tactically to ensure a non-Tory government

BelleTheSheepdog · 05/05/2017 11:27

Corbyn is an effective rally speaker. Not seen him in the flesh, I have seen this via the mainstream stream media.

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 11:31

When a lot of people say they don't like Corbyn, they also mean his policies and tactics, not just his personality. I don't like current labour policies, tactics or the personality of the leader. When people say he's unelectable, that mostly is a British way of saying 'I'm not labour because of his leadership/policies/tactics'.

The current labour 'get to know Jeremy' is just as patronizing as the toriy strong and stable soundbite because it imagines most people are so stupid that we're not supporting Jeremy because we can't relate to his jam making.

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 11:33

i guess it's too much to hope Corbyn and McDonnell fall on their swords tonight after the worst local election results since the recorded beginning of political time?

It's not like the outcome could get much worse!

tobee · 05/05/2017 11:42

The trouble with that nolottery, is that the big vote is the GE and I want him and his supporters to take full responsibility for the is the disaster to come on June 8th, not to have excuses lined up about it. I can see his supporters saying it's because Jeremy went after the locals. They are a ruthless bunch who are dedicated to pursuing their aims, which don't include winning power. I think they see themselves as above that.

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 11:47

i can see your point, prolonging the infighting. It's abundantly obvious he's heading for a huge disaster by now though. I agree, I'm not even sure McDonnell is a capitalist, I'm worried this National Investment Bank if it ever got enacted would lead to us needing an IMF bail out - I don't think he'd care as he shows no understanding of international money markets.

LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt · 05/05/2017 11:51

guess it's too much to hope Corbyn and McDonnell fall on their swords tonight after the worst local election results since the recorded beginning of political time?

Yes, it's too much to hope. I'd bet my house that they won't even resign after a general election trouncing. They don't care about defeating the Tories, only the ideological purity of the party matters to them.

Rikalaily · 05/05/2017 12:22

You know what, I like Corbyn, he's not perfect but I love that so many MP's (even in his own party) hate him because they know their gravy train could be derailed by him. So many complain about MP's expenses etc, here's a chance to kick them up their arses. Either way, I would rather poke my eyes out than use my ballot in any way that could make it even more likely for the Tories to stay in.

OutToGetYou · 05/05/2017 12:34

I've been so torn.

For me, Brexit is the biggest issue in town.

In the locals yesterday, for mayor, I voted Green first and LD second (it's a transferable vote). It's a Tory stronghold so no chance of swaying anything, and I couldn't face voting Labour. First time I have ever not voted Labour.

It was a totally pointless protest vote in the hope that increased votes for those two would show the main parties how shit they are. But sadly the rest of the country voted Tory, so there you go.

EatsShitAndLeaves · 05/05/2017 13:04

SheRaa - frankly you can be as fucked off with me as you like.

I can't stand the current leadership team and whatever you say it is a massive part of any voting decision. Can you really see JC, McDonnell and Abbott leading this country with their Momentum buddies arms so far up their backsides they are tickling their tonsils?

My constituency is Tory - Labour came second last time and LibDem the time before (a very close second). Labour is going to be crushed this time around, so a LibDem vote is the most realistic chance of stopping the Tories where I am.

That said if my local MP was Labour and someone who wasn't part of the JC gang then I would absolutely vote for them. We have to have some good MP's left to pick up the pieces.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/05/2017 13:08

I love that so many MP's (even in his own party) hate him because they know their gravy train could be derailed by him.

No they don't like him because for example of his weak stance on anti semitism, his 'friends' etc. The fact that McDonnell stood and spoke in front of the communist flag and others the other day, and the party leadership has done nothing.

Yesterday was a disaster yet it seem to be everything and everyone's fault but his.

OutToGetYou · 05/05/2017 13:26

He's also very divisive - you're either with him or against him. If the latter, you're out, get no briefings and no information, no input to anything.

I'm finding his 'policies' totally bewildering, what good will four more bank holidays do anyone? The thing I saw said "the workers need a break". Hmm, I don't think they have understood how employment law and statutory holidays work, have they!?

ragged · 05/05/2017 16:21

Based on results of local elex, Labour are going to get their arses kicked on 9 June.

TalkinPeece · 05/05/2017 17:19

Corbyn's own constituency voted 72% remain.
Maybe they should all vote Libdem and then the job will be done.

Corbyn is

  • anti EU
  • anti semite
  • sexist
  • unwilling to compromise and negotiate

for those reasons he is unelectable
nothing to do with media bias

Badders123 · 05/05/2017 17:33

Me too op.
Life long labour voter.
Voting lib dem this time.
No point really, as it's true blue Tory land round here and 67% voted leave.
But my alternative is....spoil my ballot.

imablackstarnotapopstar · 31/05/2017 08:27

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Squishedstrawberry4 · 31/05/2017 08:43

I'm voting labour. It's got to be a strategic vote.

MisguidedAngel · 31/05/2017 08:44

Like many others on this thread, I'm a life long Labour voter and consider myself a socialist. I had a choice between Tory (large majority), Green, Independent, Lib Dem and Labour. I agonised for days, thinking I should choose the Independent who promised to prioritise local issues but in the end I went for Labour . I'm disappointed in Corbyn, but I hope May won't get her landslide and Labour will try harder to be an effective opposition. Maybe if they do better than expected it will be an end to the in-fighting? (optimist)

lucydogz · 31/05/2017 13:36

oh hallo blackstar. Different thread, same shit. We can't go on meeting like this.

Jux · 31/05/2017 14:07

Just keep reporting, lucydogz, spamming isn't allowed Wink

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 01/06/2017 02:53

I am going to vote LibDem

Corbyn and McDonnell should have been kicked out of the party years ago especially Corbyn he is an utter disgrace

A man with his background simply can't be the leader of the UK and won't be

The thought of the Tories winning which they will is depressing but him leqding the country just should never ever happen

I am sure the connections will be all over the press this week to remind people who he really is and dispell this myth of the principled man he isn't

Unfortunately Labour are stuck with him for some time yet maybe the party will split, apart from his supporters around him other Labour MP's are keeping very quiet

And Corbyn supports really don't bother patronising me with he only wanted peace rubbish you must read the Mail/Sun his stance has been known about for ages

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