Why would you vote Conservative

[BigGrannyPants]

Just that really, I am utterly bemused why anyone would vote conservative knowing the lies they've told, the lives they've ruined and the fact they are only interested in looking after their rich friends. I appreciate the choice of parties aren't great, but surely Tories need to be at the bottom of the list? If you are planning to vote Conservative please enlighten me! This thread isn't intended to bash anyone so if you could try and avoid that if possible!

Voting Tory isn't 'other' that needs justifying.

Sure it is! Just because you don't like being questioned doesn't mean the question isn't valid. But I guess that's us saboteurs!

At this stage it's kind of like choosing the captain of the Titanic mid way through the last voyage.

I will not be voting as I don't live in England anymore, but if I did, I would probably vote conservative. Simply because I believe this slow motion car crash is happening no matter what.

Darklane poor people (and disabled and vulnerable people) will be poorer under a Tory government.
Someone living on the conditions you describe today would be entitled to financial help to make their life better. The Tories are cutting these benefits so they won't get help.

The Conservative party seem to be much more forgiven major cock ups than do Labour
They never seem to be held to account. Right wing media spin perhaps
Like the cock up of Brexit. No plan at all and caused by a bun fight and David Cameron's ambition to be leader

I've already posted similar on another thread, but wanted to say it again here....
I don't think Tory voters are all lacking in compassion, and I don't think they are all rabidly right wing. There are different degrees within all parties, and many who voted Conservative in the past did so because they thought they would be good for the economy, and thought that a good economy would be better for everyone - not just the rich.
However, TM's government seems intent on pursuing a hard right Brexit, more inequality, more austerity and an anti-business, idealogical agenda.

I understand why wealthy, small c conservatives who want tax cuts and reduced public services would vote Tory.

I can understand why some on the Left voted for Brexit, even though I think it was the wrong choice.

What I find completely impossible to understand (and I have really, really, tried) is how a "Lexiteer" can bring themselves to vote for not just a Tory government, but the most right wing Tory government we have seen in decades.
Brexit is happening. A50 has been triggered and short of a miracle or thermonuclear war, the GE result will not stop it.
Why would you vote for more austerity, more cuts, and huge differences between rich areas and poor areas? Is everyone aware what is planned for council funding? (Hint: we're not "all in it together")
www.theguardian.com/society/2015/nov/25/local-government-councils-funding-gap-critical-budget-cuts-social-care-spending-review
www.npi.org.uk/blog/local-government/local-government-will-be-uncharted-water-2020/
Over 80% of funding will be generated locally across all council types – 94% in the case of shire counties. This is significant because the capacity to raise revenues via council tax and business rates is uneven and does not provide a general answer to the problem of variations in levels of local deprivation. Some areas will do well, others will not. Without an equalisation mechanism on the basis of where resources are needed, residents will lose out badly.

Why, if you voted for a left wing Brexit, would you hand over complete control of Brexit to the hard right fringes of the Tory party?

"Brexit means Brexit" is a soundbite. They want you to believe that It is a binary choice between Brexit/No Brexit. It is not. It is not even a binary choice between Hard/Soft Brexit.

It is so much more nuanced than that, there are so many competing priorities, but by voting Tory in June you are supporting the priorities of Jacob Rees Mogg, IDS, Gove, Johnson, Redwood, Villiers etc.

I would be amazed if the Conservatives don't win in June.
But maybe, just maybe, things could be close enough to give them a bit of a scare. Maybe, just maybe, the vote could send them a message and maybe they'd listen: That a large proportion of the British public - including many leavers- do not want a hard right Brexit. But in order for that to happen, leavers and remainers from the centre and the left of centre need to vote for someone other than the Tories.
Please, please consider who you vote for very carefully, whether you are left, right, remain or leave.

I've decided to vote Conservative just to piss of everyone on Mumsnet who start these threads to tell other people how they should vote.

Thats it, sleep...
Stick it to the man!
or random stranger on the internet who started a thread and forced you to open it

What is so terrible about Corbyn? I never thought I would vote for Labour because under Tony Blair it was the Conservatives by another name, and the war was completely unacceptable. However we now have a fresh start with someone who has apologised for the war and wants to bring the Labour party back to proper centre left values, ensuring NHS remains free, education is not cut to the bone, more housing is created and a fairer society is achieved. He is not as socialist as the media claim him to be, read the actual party policies not the biased media headlines. People who say I always voted Labour but now Corbyn is in charge I will vote Tory make no sense to me whatsoever.

sleep

You are going to get yourself in a right muddle if someone starts a

'Why are you going to vote labour/lib dem thread'

Why do you give a shit what some random on the internet thinks?

I would only vote Conservative if I lived in a Tory/ BNP (or equivalent) marginal. And as no such place exists, and if it did I wouldn't be bloody living in it, I will never vote Conservative.

Although I do dutifully read their manifesto along with those of the other parties, and I have a careful look at their local candidate along with those of the other parties. I once considered voting Tory, when the last Labour government were bringing in ID cards and the NIR and Dave was being all pre election nicey nice and pretending the Tories were the party of civil liberties and kindness and jollity. But it became pretty clear to me pretty quickly that even this, an issue I felt very strongly about indeed (to the point that I was ready to go to jail rather than comply with the NIR), wasn't enough to make me vote Tory. It really would have to be the extreme 'Tory or Fascist' scenario above.

@ShotsFired I don't think my opinion is the only one, which you would know if you had RTFT. But it is my opinion, which I am entitled to. The fuck that you have to resort to aggressive language on a thread that has been largely peaceful tells me all I need to know. No one said you were lesser either, these are all things you have said yourself.

It's Labour that have closed libraries museums and community resources where. I live. They're a shower of cultural vandals and they have lost my vote for their selling off of the above for a fast buck.
And User:s tax related reasons above. They would take, take, take from the middle while being scared to tackle large businesses. They are on some kind of Politics Of Envy kick atm with 70,000 is rich bollocks.
LDs led by a fundamental Christian - bye bye rights of women over their own bodies!

I agree that labour have been terrible for the country, just red tories. It's hard to know what the answer is really, as many of you have said it's trying to find the best of a bad bunch. I think party policies and manifestos should be legally binding and then perhaps all the parties would be more careful about what goes in them!

I'm voting Conservative because it's my vote, and my choice to do what I like with it, and the same goes for everyone else on the electoral roll. No-one needs to justify their personal choice to anyone else.

Saucery, council budgets have been slashed in many areas. Changes to funding mean that they receive much less central government funding, which disproportionaly affects deprived areas more.
I don't know which area you live in, but it may have been a choice between cutting arts funding, or removing social care for the elderly (which I think they have a legal obligation to provide anyway).
Councils will understandably prioritise the things they have a legal obligation to pay for when they can't afford to pay for everything.

This link is quite interesting, and from the FT so can't be accused of a Left wing bias:
ig.ft.com/sites/2015/local-cuts-checker/
And the Guardian:
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/10/councils-budget-cuts-social-care-bills

And Tim Farron's voting record shows him consistently voting for gay rights and women's rights, no matter what his religion is.

By voting Conservative, you are voting for more cuts to council budgets, thus more library closures etc, no matter who is in control of your local council.

Apologies, this is a much better link:
www.ft.com/content/5fcbd0c4-2948-11e5-8db8-c033edba8a6e

Dowser wrt the gold. There is a very interesting Telegraph article about this. Essentially it explains that the banks were in trouble. Very deep trouble. They needed to buy gold cheaply in order to stave off a crash that would have been much worse than the eventual crash. By selling the gold Gordon Brown made a calculated and correct move to provide that gold. The subsequent crash was less severe than the first threatened to be.

The thing is I know a lot of people that did very well under the tories.
Buying their homes, Buying others homes, starting businesses etc.

This may be the first time in a general election in 20 + years that I haven't spoilt my ballot.

But Boney, what about the people who have been treated terribly and are in their knees because of a Tory government?

Why spoil the ballot paper? If you don't want to vote would it not just be easier to stay at home? I've seen that a lot that people have said the spoiled their ballot

Hi @BigGrannyPants @ShotsFired I don't think my opinion is the only one, which you would know if you had RTFT.

I did RTFT, just as I read the other thread about it, which was largely the same. Your own words say you can't understand why people vote differently than you, and then go onto infer all sorts of nasty things about those people because of it.

But it is my opinion, which I am entitled to.
As am I, but my earlier comment appears to have been mysteriously reported and deleted.

The fuck that you have to resort to aggressive language..
(Aw, c'mon, that's a funny typo in the context!)

So I swear? Not like I am the only one on MN

@BigGrannyPants Why spoil the ballot paper? If you don't want to vote would it not just be easier to stay at home? I've seen that a lot that people have said the spoiled their ballot

Because taking part in democracy is important. Because telling those that lead us that we are so naffed off that we will actively spoil our ballot instead of voting for any of them is making a point (and is counted alongside the tallies for each party, more importantly).

Staying at home and not bothering means we can be assumed to be happy or indifferent, and whoever wins can claim our tacit support, even if we didn't give it.

Nope. I am having my say, one way or the other.

twofalls

I should have specified that I won't be voting tory.

My family suffered under the tory government under thatcher (we also suffered under labour). So I do know all about it, but it would be indigenous to say that all suffered.