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Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

Thanks squishy. I didn't like HC as a candidate but Trump horrified me. However, I do wish the media could accept the results and just stop with the bashing. It is only giving oxygen to these lunatics.

Let Trump dig his own hole. I will say Trump has surprised me in a couple of ways. His acceptance speech was good. Also, he quickly got rid of Chris Christie from his transition team. CC (here in NJ we call him Crispy Cream) managed to get away with closing down the traffic around the GWB. He let his employees take the fall, one of which was a single mother of 4 children and the other a father to two children (I think). This apparently outraged Trump and he thought CC should have been a leader and protected them.

Roman Call them missions if you want but it is what Trump wants to do. I agree that a lot of them do not make any sense when you join the dots. This is what the media completely failed to communicate in clear terms to the public.

Want2b, well done, good positive steps you are taking to help people. Great stuff.

There was talk that Christie's axing was due to Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, as Christie prosecuted his father and sent him away with what I think was a maximum penalty. Roger Stone was not too keen on Christie because of Bridgegate, but I rather like Christie because he is one helluva fighter and can get things done.

Trump has appointed politically correct Nikki Haley to be the UN amabassador. I don't like her because she was aganst Trump, but I think she will do well at the UN and get along with Establishment types and I doubt that the UN s Trump's main area of concern.

Want2bSupermum I can have a mission / vision statement that I want everyone to live on the moon, it doesn't mean its likely to happen.

Mind you, with what Trump is planning for NASA ...

Nikki Haley is very accomplished and I like that he has put a woman as accomplished as her in that role. I think it is going to be interesting to see what he does about education. We are worried about funding for special needs. DS is autistic and the help he is getting is life changing for him and us as a family. It is extremely expensive to do it properly. His school place is costing upwards of $50k a year. Very few people can afford that.

I have seen some of his policies, and like you say although some of them sound good, there's so little detail that it's hard to know how he'll achieve them.
Want2be: if you don't mind me asking, do you find it weird to see so many of us from outside the US discussing your presidents and elections? I know that some people here in the UK get really annoyed at what they perceive as interference from abroad.
The world is so closely connected - now more than ever - and from a selfish point of view, I am quite concerned about how Trump's presidency will affect the global economy and stability. But I am also concerned about the trend towards populism politics and the far right across Europe. I understand completely that a lot of it is in response to globalisation, economic problems and terrorism fears but I don't think it's a solution to any of those problems. I am not normally the sort of person to overreact and panic, but I am feeling a bit worried now - I don't know if it has made the news in the US, but a far right extremist has just been convicted for a really brutal murder of an MP.
I agree, though, that there is still hope - as you say, Trump's acceptance speech was much more conciliatory than expected and I am trying to think of some positive action I can take, as you described.

Squishy, Im guessing youve taken this much interest in how candidates deliver election promises at every election in the last 20 years? Were you upset when labour u-turned on their election manifesto promise of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty? Genuinely interested, cause not a peep came out of the 'establishment' on that one and that had a huge constitutional impact on this country.

Are you not concerned that no action will be taken post Chilcott? If not, why not?

Im sorry, but it gets mightily wearing when we all know that the simple objection is "all trump voters are racists" (as are all Leave voters) and this whole row is about a 'nazi march of white supremacists across the globe' narrative.

You are aware that circa 3500 have died as a result of Isil terrorist attacks in the last 3 years? How do you wish to extend your logic behind that? Does that concern you at all? Does it concern you as to how they are funded? Because in the midst of your anxiety, it should.

The US, happily (and one assumes generously) accepted Robert Byrd and various others as Senators and key officials over the last couple of decades, yet today, a rather clumsy straight talking bloke, who doesnt fit the golf club membership criteria, who isnt up to his ears in the middle east, who without argument is ONLY interested in the best for his country, is causing more wailing and concern than 20'years of corruption, back door deals and hollow promises in the Whitehouse. (Gitmo springs to mind) IMO Trump has put more value on a life in the last 3 months, than all our politicians both sides of the pond have for the last 20 years.

If nothing else comes out of all this, I hope some manage to reset their priorities, and socially acceptable golf club membership isnt one of them.

Excellent post, Chris.

It is all about respect for people and their different opinions (and not calling them white supremacists because they support Trump) or denying their right to hold different opinions, and repsect for democracy.

If Remain and Cameron and his team had won, we would all respect it. If Corbyn wins an election, we will all respect it, and if the people choose Farage or Trump or Brexit, people ane the Establishment should respect the will of the people.

Chrisnumbers: Yes, I have shown an interest in how previous candidates deliver election promises. Yes, I have been strongly critical of politicians before. I am talking about Trump on this thread, because it is a thread about Trump. If I were to start discussing Chilcott in detail with you here, that would be a bit of a digression wouldn't it? But no, I have never been this concerned before because although there have been leaders I hated, there has never been anyone who has so little disregard for the system, for the freedom of the press and for the office itself.

I have never said, here or on any other thread or in real life that "all Trump supporters are racists", nor have I said that about all leave voters. I haven't said that because I don't think it's true. I have in fact entered into some very civil, constructive arguments with leave voters both on here and in real life without anyone resorting to name calling. Try it.

Yes, Isil attacks are terrible. I thought the total number was higher than 3500 actually. I never suggested for a moment that they weren't. It is perfectly possible to be concerned about more than one thing, and as it happens I think far right extremism and Islamic extremism are connected. I do not believe for a moment that Trump, the "Alt-Right", the far right in Europe or Ukip are the answer to Islamic terror and in fact I think they will exacerbate the problem.

"a rather clumsy straight talking bloke," That is not why I dislike Trump.
"who doesnt fit the golf club membership criteria," He OWNS the fucking golf clubs
"who without argument is ONLY interested in the best for his country" : Could not disagree more vehemently with you on this.

Claig, I do respect people and their different positions. Calling someone out on what they say, or telling them that I think they are wrong is not disrespectful.

I have never suggested that all Trump supporters are white supremacists. People who use white supremacist rhetoric are white supremacist. People who use fascist rhetoric are fascists.

Well said squishy

If nothing else comes out of all this, I hope some manage to reset their priorities, and socially acceptable golf club membership isnt one of them.

WTAF. Golf club membership? Seriously?

Yes, well said squishy

Golf membership you couldn't make that shit up could you?

Bloody golf, 'a good walk spoiled' Mark Twain

"You are aware that circa 3500 have died as a result of Isil terrorist attacks in the last 3 years? How do you wish to extend your logic behind that? Does that concern you at all? Does it concern you as to how they are funded? Because in the midst of your anxiety, it should."

Nothing could bring a greater boon for ISIS than an openly and aggressively islamophobic US administration. This is one of the things at the heart of anxiety about a Trump presidency.

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If Remain and Cameron and his team had won, we would all respect it."

Except for Farage of course. 48/52 would mean "unfinished business" remember?

And who is prepared to come out and say with a straight face that Trump would have quietly accepted losing the election while winning the popular vote by 2 million?

'Except for Farage of course. 48/52 would mean "unfinished business" remember?'

There is no problem with having another referendum. First our political class respects the will of the people and we leave the EU, then after we have left, the political class can call for another referendum and ask the people if we now wish to rejoin. Then when they don't like what the people tell them, they can ask for another referendum ad infinitum, but all of this only after we have left.

For those who either gloss over inconvenient truths, or simply refuse to look past the headlines.

This was back in the late '90s when Trump opened up the Palm Beach Club. Being blocked by local councillors due to his acceptance of Blacks and Jews as members, he threatened to sue on the grounds of the councils discrimination. He won of course, and Palm Beach 'society' has never been the same since.....

www.wsj.com/articles/SB862335923489989500

He's done it again! Farage

"Nigel Farage to fly to Washington DC in a fortnight to meet with Donald Trump's team on unofficial diplomatic offensive"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/23/ukips-nigel-farage-fly-washington-dc-fortnight-meet-donald-trumps/

"Nothing could bring a greater boon for ISIS than an openly and aggressively islamophobic US administration. This is one of the things at the heart of anxiety about a Trump presidency."

You are aware of Obamas OBIM policy arent you? You are aware of Guantanamo? All Trump has to do is openly enforce policy Obama has already put in place and surreptitiously uses.

Jon Snow made a dick of himself in that clip that Claig posted. He was getting angry that the American journalist was not joining in the mass bullying of Trump. Snow was pissed off because she, being a fellow journalist, was not jumping on the bandwagon to villify Trump. Leftie union tactic.

Those screeching against an election that has not gone their way are really the bigots. Some on this thread too.

"there is something profoundly disturbing about the army of self-regarding liberals who, when faced with a new reality not of their own choosing, react not just with disbelief and outrage but, increasingly, with out-and-out aggression of precisely the kind they profess to abhor in others. It happened in Britain after the Brexit vote. And now it’s happening on the other side of the pond."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3963016/SARAH-VINE-luvvies-loathe-Trump-bigots-too.html

This January is going to be the worst January ever...

It may well be, if the ROP start again with the sexual molestations.

There's nothing wrong in wanting to turnaround your country and improve everything that the jackboot of fake liberalism has allowed to deteriorate. The ideology of the regressive left, the alt-liberals, whatever you care to call them is totalitarianism all supported by the Democratic Party and therefore "good".

I am perplexed by the pathetic blubbering of various journalists here and in USA. What the fuck has happened to presenting and interviewing objectively? It's gone to pot, and so many of them are acting like a personal tragedy has occurred. I'm afraid that Jon Snow's interview of that American journalist/Tweeter was him scraping the barrel of desperation.

Nothing could bring a greater boon for ISIS than an openly and aggressively islamophobic US administration

That's another piece of double-speak. Some actually believe it because it has been said enough times by (non-objective) journalists. Sure, there will be a handful of Americans who might take themselves off to be jihadis, but the point is America has to protect itself first and that may mean temporarily suspending immigration from all MENA countries. That is not islamaphobia, that is being sensible.

Trump does not want involvement in any further wars, so however much the liberals agitate against this policy should it happen, the country's safety has to come first.

This is the last time I'm posting on these threads. I just sit here, with my jaw dropped, completely gobsmacked that it's filled with such a load of ill informed shit. On the upside, it's looking as if our taxes are going to get cut. Well done, People Who Earn Less Than Us! Enjoy that!