Brexit: Majority of UK now wants to stay in EU, poll finds

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-majority-uk-remain-eu-theresa-may-article-50-second-referendum-latest-a7395811.html

Clearly an argument for a second referendum, and for not triggering Article 50.

It doesn't surprise me that more people would now vote to remain. Brexit is going to cost us so much, both financially and diplomatically. I would like to know what we will gain from Brexitting, but NO ONE can tell me ... not my own MP (who I have contacted 7 times since 24th June and just says 'we're going to make Brexit work for everyone' with no info about how) and not any of my leaver friends (many of whom voted for more money for the NHS ... not going to happen). If only we could extract ourselves from this mess! Unfortunately a lot of damage has already been done, with companies avoiding contracts with UK companies due to the uncertainty, and us being viewed as nationalistic and superior.

Mother If we reverse the situation and are asked to vote for joining something, it doesn't really matter why people want to join. The important fact is that they expect to 'join', as in, be part of something that they weren't part of previously. It's not up to anyone to measure out exactly how much information someone receives, which points are foregrounded and which aren't, and how regulated their emotions are with respect to the act of joining. The information is out there and interacts in an 'information x individual circumstances' equation. In other words, someone seeks out information, takes into account their own personal circumstances and comes to a decision. It's not a glass and jug system where every individual is filled up with just the right amount of information. Their reasons are personal. It's the outcome that's important. 'Leave' is a simple term to understand and that's what most people voting 'leave ' would have been working on. 'How we leave' is an entirely different question and was not on the ballot paper.

The polls also said the majority of people wanted to remain in the EU before the referendum.

Maybe they's just asked exactly the same people as last time.

The polls can be wrong.

oops, typo. Should be:

Maybe they've just asked exactly the same people as last time.

Yep I agree polls can be wrong, VERY wrong.
But I think k some people who voted OUT now are regretting their choice ormaybe they are regretting the way their choice is used (e.g. They wanted a soft Brexit but TM is heading towards a hard Brexit or so it seems).

What it does show is that
1- what is said during the campaign is. Wet important abs the lies that we have seen have not helped people making a rational choice. Now that some issues come out (some that were highlighted during the campaign, some not), people look stbtbjbgs in a different way.
2- the vote was nowhere a wave of people all wanting out. It was actually very close, close enough to go the other way very easily.
The conclusion of that being that MPs, maybe an early election etc... are all necessary to have decisions that will reflect the will of people.

Well the only accurate poll is the actual vote on the actual vote day. The majority who chose to vote, voted leave. An actual democratic result and therefore far more accurate than a poll.
Polls are clearly not asking the correct selection of people as they keep getting the wrong results. Why should this poll be any different?

This article comes from the Indpendent? So no 'remain' bias there then?

What with polls being so reliable and the fact that there are many polls stating the complete opposite OP, I'd advise you not to get too excited!

Well said Lindy2.

Spinflight

You obviously think you're clever with your smug condescension - but if the media has no effect on the public then why does it receive millions of pounds from advertisers year after year to be the medium for its messages?

It's pretty obvious that you're frantically trying to pretend that every Leave voter was a fully informed rational actor with the time to weigh up a lot of complex issues, and didn't vote for Leave based on what they were repeated told on the side of a bus.

(Bet you're already planning on typing "bus? What bus?" in your fatuous timewasting manner)

Actually I now feel it would go the opposite way.

I live in a strong 'leave' area and most of my family/friends voted to leave. None of them has expressed regret.

Only anger at people suggesting another referendum.

I don't think you now want to give the choice of hard/middle/soft brexit in another referendum.

Because all I have seen is anger. Anger at a perceived reluctance to carry out the results of the referendum. Anger at a perceived threat to block leaving.

I think that anger will translate to more votes for a hard brexit that maybe wouldn't have minded a softer approach before.

It might be another case of us shooting ourselves spectacularly in the foot.

Why are people saying the media is to blame for the Brexit vote? All I saw from the media was how bad it would be to leave the EU. This was also matched with doom forecasts from the Prime Minister, The Chancellor of the Exchequer and Head of the Bank of England. I'm sure these stories would have had more impact on influencing votes to stay.

Also, I don't know anyone who has changed their mind.

Yeah and all the doomsday predictions turned out to be the opposite.

Lots of talk about setting up free ports which would be a stunning win for otherwise neglected areas of the country.

Hugobear

What a nasty comment you make:

"It's pretty obvious that you're frantically trying to pretend that every Leave voter was a fully informed rational actor with the time to weigh up a lot of complex issues, and didn't vote for Leave based on what they were repeated told on the side of a bus."

I would like to ask - are you assuming the same of all Remain voters? Or are you assuming all of the remain voters are professors in EU Law, Politics and Macro Economics?

Personally, I believe there are experts and non-experts in both groups of voters. I also give each group an equal amount of respect.

News and influential politicians have more impact than a sign on a bus. Most of these were presenting arguments for Remain - so would you say that Remainers also just did as they were told or do you allow them their own thoughts? I would.

Each person made up their own mind which ever way they voted. Accept it.

I am remainer.

But there is no way you can have a second referendum.

The polls have been consistently wrong in every vote this year, from Brexit to Trump.

The reason? They arent' asking the right people. Polls target the wrong audience, how every hard they try.

How many people voted remain to prevent the economy from crashing, the cost of our borrowing soaring and the immediate flight of industry from our shores?

How many people voted remain to avoid a punishment budget?

How many people voted remain because no-one would want to trade with us and we wouldn't be able to sign a single trade deal for 15 years after brexit?

How many voted remain because Obama told them to, the IMF told them to and every celebrity threatened to flee to Canada?

Well our economy flourished, borrowing costs slid through the floor and industry hasn't flown, except into the Midlands to invest. There was no budget and 15 nations are very keen on trade deals, more than likely we'll be in Nafta.

How many people would have voted to leave if they knew we'd rid ourselves of Cameron, Osbourne and their public school chums getting a more normal cabinet instead?

Course I do, don't you know that markets price these things in?

If you want to hold on to believing that doomsday is just around the corner then good luck and hope you aren't too lonely...

well spin, I don't recognise any of those as reasons people I know voted to remain, so, no.

Another poll would be political suicide for TM - what with Fox News already calling Farage leader of the opposition It would be mildly amusing if it wasn't so ominous.

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All those people saying, 'I don't know anyone who voted leave who has changed their mind'.
Surely you don't know EVERY single person who voted leave. Is it just possible that some people may have changed their mind either way?

Spinflight
None of the above, but these are all rhetorical questions. It is too soon yet to fully predict the consequences or outcome of Brexit.