Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes

[claig]

The public understand the media's game.

There is no fooling the public or the Corbynistas. The usual tactics of the metropolitan elite have failed.

"Perception of unfairness extends beyond supporters of Labour leader"
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A majority of the British public believe the media is deliberately biased against Jeremy Corbyn and seeking to portray him in a negative light.
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Women in the Labour selectorate were more likely to believe the coverage was biased than men and older people in the group were also more likely to believe it had been deliberately biased "

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-poll-labour-leadership-media-bias-believe-against-him-supporters-mi5-portland-a7225031.html

We vote a government in and we want them to run the country according to their manifesto which the majority wanted

The last Tory manifesto included devolution. Is TM ignoring the will of the majority?

That is why the majority are against it

which is it? Are the majority for or against devolution?

'The last Tory manifesto included devolution'

Yes, a pet project of Osborne, Cameron, the modernisers and the hoody huggers. Theresa May seems to be the complete opposite to their magic roundabout and is a common sense Prime Minister. She may well overturn a lot of their schemes. We will have to wait and see. Tory voters didn't vote Tory for Osborne and the mayoral agenda, they voted Tory to stop Labour getting in and making things even worse than they are under the "magic circle". I think May understands that and is determined to restore some common sense for a change.

'Are the majority for or against devolution?'

I think they are against because it leads to fractured government with grandstanding nobodies opposing the government and talking about "independence" for London etc which is just a recipe for chaos and more bureaucrats, bigwigs and busybodies. But the people want more of a voice locally via UKIP style local referendums that bypass the middlemen mayoral busybodies and deliver UKIP style direct democracy for the people without the filter of a highly paid nobody in charge.

The people also don't turn out for Police Commissioner votes, another level of bureaucracy where ex-politicians can get highly paid jobs that the people don't vote for and that the hoody huggers wanted.

Tory voters didn't vote Tory for Osborne and the mayoral agenda

We vote a government in and we want them to run the country according to their manifesto which the majority wanted

which is it?

'We vote a government in and we want them to run the country according to their manifesto which the majority wanted'

We all know that the manifesto contains things that the voters would not have backed if a referendum was held on specific items within the manifesto. For instance, if the modernisers and "magic circle" had got their way and hoody hugging was in the manifesto, we would undoubtedly be informed by the media that hoody hugging was what the public voted for, but we all know that wouldn't be true. However, if the "magic circle" slipped that one into a manifesto, then we would have to accept it because that is democracy, just as we had to have the mayoral agenda etc.

But now we have "common sense" Theresa May in charge and the "magic circle" and hoody huggers are out of favour.

Corbyn isn't that popular the true test (voting) has proved that. he is popular with a relatively small amount of people in the UK who have similar ideas to him, they now have a high standing leader who they can show support to and have by joining the Labour Party keeping him in his position as leader of the LP but nothing more. the anti establishment spin may work for some voters but those that have left labour to support ukip are not going to return to vote for labour while Corbyn is leading the party and given his stance on immigration he is likely to lose more labour voters

this in turn will lead to the Tories winning again and maybe a return for Libdems as they could also gain votes from labour supporters who will not vote for Corbyn

And Corbyn and UKIP will still be going on about magic and golden circles while government gets to work

Much like what is happening now

'And what if the people vote 'to build a wall' ?'

If that is what the people want, then that is democracy.

Here is Hillary explaining why she voted for a barrier along the Mexican border numerous times. The only reason they, and the "magic circle", are all opposing it now is because Trump has agreed with them and they have to play divide and rule politics over it, but the people understand what the politicians are like.

EnthusiasmDisturbed, it is not going to be easy for Corbyn. He has many negatives, but it is possible for him to overcome them all if he is bold in promoting an entirely new agenda that builds millions of homes, ensures cheap rents and mortgages, provides millions of well-paid secure non zero-hour contract jobs and nationalises rail and provides a cheaper better service for the public in health, travel and education.

If he promotes that agenda, then immigration will become alsmost irrelevant as people see the benfits of what he has to offer. Also Corbyn is not arrogant like Owen Smith and is not opposing Brexit and ignoring the public will. Corbyn is alright but he has to have the courage to defeat his Labour "magic circle" and promote a bold socialist left wing agenda if he has any hope of winning.

I love a good claig thread and understand exactly what she is saying.
For me the metropolitan elites are people like Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair, George Osborne, Ed Balls, David Cameron, Boris Johnson. Highly educated people who think they have the divine right to tell the 'little people' what to do. They are completely self interested in terms of their own personal wealth and lifestyle. Jeremy Corbyn puts the wind up them because he highlights how venal they are.

Absolutely, derxa. They all fear Corbyn because they know that if he offers the public a radical different socialist agenda then they may just say that the "magic circle" can jog on and that Corbyn stands a good chance of winning and delivering power and democracy to the people and removing power from them. No more wars, no more wasting millions and millions on that, no more fat cat bonuses in banks, no more corporate taxes being avoided by multinationals etc etc

Corbyn isn't arrogant

His thinks people were fooled by him during the referendum

He has ignored 172 MP's that were voted in by the electorate not bothered to engage with them as they only represent the voters its only party members that matter

When has this every happened before ?

I like some of his policies they are standard left wing policies but he has no idea how to implement them and what is achievable answer is higher taxes

And then his of course are his friends and those who he has given his support to this cant be ignored and won't be. He is happy to share a platform with antisemitic journalists and those that represent terrorists but not Cameron during the referendum

He is extremely arrogant it's only his supporters that can't see that it's obvious to everyone else

Now why would a supporter of tax dodging billionaire Arron Banks be working so very hard, day and night, to push Corbyn on social media?

If that is what the people want, then that is democracy.

Well, no, because JC has already proved that he won't go along with "the people" if he doesn't personally agree with it.

It's a big gamble on the part of "the people" to elect someone to power who has form for ignoring the majority view even when it is because the elected leader believes that the people are wrong and have been influenced by the magic circle.

Theresa May seems to be the complete opposite to their magic roundabout and is a common sense Prime Minister.

JC takes credit for "converting" TM - he has said it's his leadership that has influenced her policies.

Maybe they can discuss this later today at PM's question time

'JC takes credit for "converting" TM - he has said it's his leadership that has influenced her policies.'

I think he is right. He has changed British politics entirely and has swung it to the left singlehandedly. Even the 172's Owen Smith is doing daily sommersaults as he tries to outdo Corbyn on left wing policy pledges, but no one believes him, they think he is one of the 172.

Theresa May has said she will work for ordinary people, she is targetting the squeezed middle whom she says have not had a fair deal under Cameron. She has to look over her shoulder to see what Corbyn is offering in case he steals the squeezed middle vote.

'Maybe they can discuss this later today at PM's question time'

Oh I forgot that was on today. Thanks for reminding me, I will tune in.

Politics is now swinging to the left. Corbyn is left and UKIP are targetting the Labour heartland working class vote and will have to go left and Theresa may can't go right because UKIP and Labour are going left and therefore she is being forced left too. The winners will be the ordinary people, the losers will be the "magic circle", the metropolitan elite and their mates.

Claig, do you think Arron Banks should be paying more tax?

I know nothing about his tax. I think he should pay whatever he owes just like everyone else, and I assume he does.

This hero worship of Corbyn is disturbing. Sorry you've been suckered into it, op.

There is no hero worship of Corbyn. Everyone knows he has faults, but so do the 172 and all the rest. What is new and different about Corbyn is that he is Old Labour and therefore gives hope to lots of people that things can really change. That is why there are so many Corbynistas, because they have had enough of the Blairite Tory-lite status quo.

Here is an example:

Rock Services Ltd, of which Banks is a director, had a turnover of £19.7m last year and paid corporation tax of £12,000. The company deducted £19.6m in “administrative expenses”.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/04/ukip-donor-arron-banks-shows-tax-cheque-sent-hmrc

Is this the sort of thing your dream UKIP/Corbyn anti-establishment government would be cracking down on?

I leave taxation up to the experts at the HMRC. They know what they are doing and I assume that Banks follows the rules.

So your anti-establishment stance is quite relaxed about the very rich avoiding tax. You wouldn't be looking to government to collect more tax from these people?