Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes

[claig]

The public understand the media's game.

There is no fooling the public or the Corbynistas. The usual tactics of the metropolitan elite have failed.

"Perception of unfairness extends beyond supporters of Labour leader"
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A majority of the British public believe the media is deliberately biased against Jeremy Corbyn and seeking to portray him in a negative light.
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Women in the Labour selectorate were more likely to believe the coverage was biased than men and older people in the group were also more likely to believe it had been deliberately biased "

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-poll-labour-leadership-media-bias-believe-against-him-supporters-mi5-portland-a7225031.html

I also want PR voting so that every person's vote counts and we can end the stitch-up of safe seats etc.

So your demands are all centred on change to the representative system? Why aren't you a Green, then?

I suspect you want things quite other than just those stated.

What do you want isa vis the economy?

I'm interested in you , Claig. Don't fob me off with nonsense about your altruism, and how what you want matters less than 'the will of the people'.

Especially since I don;t think it is possible to know what 'the will of the people' is.

'Why aren't you a Green, then?'

Because I think that manmade climate change is a scam and I think they are intolerant and anti-democratic as seen today when their joint leader Barclay, I think his name is, said that he thought that UKIP were like fascists. The disrespect of their 4 million voters, far more than the Greens, and the arrogance of that joint leader is anti-democratic in my opinion. I also think they are misguided on lots of other issues such as populatin control etc which is just the Establishment's ultimate agenda.

'I suspect you want things quite other than just those stated.'

I want hundreds of things, but they all boil down to "common sense". No nanny state saying how much alcohol we can drink, no jumped up health workers deciding that obese people and people who smoke are less worthy of receiving operations etc etc

'What do you want isa vis the economy?'

I want lower taxes and more protection for national industries and an end to the globalist neo-liberal free trade deals (all of which Trump wants), and like Corbyn I want nationalisation for some sectors, a National Investment Bank that targets investment to industry and house building and infrastructure. I want more protectionism and government intervention to protect workers' jobs from gloabl market competition.

Which economists are closest to articulating your vision? Just so I can flesh it out a bit more.

I don't read economists, so I don't know. I am for a meritocracy with limited regulation and high growth (unlike the Greens) and low taxes because I believe the "magic circle" and their clique of publicly funded bureaucrats waste public money on their pet projects and expenses, but I also want responsible Corbyn like government that protects the national interest and nationalises key industries to provide a better service for the people even if it is at the cost of fewer efficiency savings.

I find it astonishing that someone who lists low taxes high on their list of wants is so pro-Corbyn. That makes me wonder what else it is you find so appealing about supporting Corbyn.

Personally, I'm all in favour of high taxes. We'll need them to fund things like the NHS when (not if) we lose the City. If I thought Corbyn could win an election promising that, I'd be ecstatic.

Now, I have to go to bed. Alas, how I wish I had a paid job writing on social media.

Two more questions (and I'm looking forward to reading your responses in the morning): who are you hoping wins the UKIP leadership contest? what do you think of Aaron Banks' proposals for another party?

I am in favour of higher taxes for City fat cats, hedge fund managers and Tony Blair, but not for the working and middle class who are the "squeezed middle". I believe the "magic circle" and the bureaucrats waste lots and lots of our tax money and giving them less of our money to play with will mean they won't be able to waste it etc. If Corbyn is going to win the election, he can't tax the middle class more, he will have to find it elsewhere. I don't like everything about Corbyn, but some things I like.

'who are you hoping wins the UKIP leadership contest? '

Diane James. Absolutely brilliant. She will knock spots off the "magic circle". I expect they are biting their nails as we speak.

'what do you think of Aaron Banks' proposals for another party?'

I like it. Aaron Banks seems to be a bit of a mini Trump in that he is not scared to challenge the Establisment, but he doesn't have the charisma of Trump. However, from what he has said and if he is to be believed, he intends to give the people a far greater democratic say in how they are governed and that is a great thing. It is one step at a time for the people to defeat the "magic circle" and Aaron seems to offer us a path there.

I am staying up because the US Open Djokovic vs Tsonga has just started and it is likely to be a cracker.

claig - how do you define "the Establishment"?

Those who have the power and set the agenda as Crbyn said about the "magic circle" those who deternine the parameters, the narrative and the Overton window by which we are governed.

"It is about breaking open this magical circle of Westminster, some of our great universities, Whitehall and the boardrooms who try to control thinking, control ideas and control the way policy is developed.

• Jeremy Corbyn"

More specifically?

Here's a thought - what if the majority of "the people" turn out to be in agreement with "the magic circle"'after all?
Then what?

Then everything is hunky-dory and we would have a good "magic circle" that is in touch with the majority of the people. Then there would be no opposition to the status quo.

'More specifically?'

I don't know any more specifically than what Corbyn has said, but the way to defeat them is through democracy and proportional representation because then the "magic circle" could wave their wands as much as they liked but they would be unable to deny the will of the people. That is what Corbyn wants, more democracy, more members deciding and more MPs and 172s listening to members. Corbyn wants to break up the "magic circle" in order to deliver bottom up democracy for the people.

Then there would be no opposition to the status quo.

Majority doesn't mean all.

There will always be a minority of 'the people' who think differently from the majority.
They are the opposition.

True, NNCHangeAgain, there will always be opposition, but in that case it would be unlikely to win since it would not represent the majority, unlike Brexit where the Establishment was defeated by the majority.

unlike Brexit where the Establishment was defeated by the majority.

So are you assuming that because BREXIT was a vote against the establishment, then any future elections - parliamentary, council etc - will also be 'against the establishment', irrespective of the specific issues at stake?

How long do you think that 'the majority of the people' will continue to vote anti-establishment?

Is that why Teresa May has chosen not to call an early GE?

What about next years council elections and the upcoming mayoral elections? Will 'anti establishment' candidates be running in order to give 'the majority of the people' the opportunity to vote for them?

And what if the people vote 'to build a wall' ?

'So are you assuming that because BREXIT was a vote against the establishment, then any future elections - parliamentary, council etc - will also be 'against the establishment', irrespective of the specific issues at stake?'

No, because the Establishment is not always wrong and is not always out of touch with the majority. They get some things right.

'How long do you think that 'the majority of the people' will continue to vote anti-establishment? '

For as long as the Establishment and metropolitan elite remain out of touch with the people (the majority).

'Is that why Teresa May has chosen not to call an early GE?'

I don't know, but she has an important job to do, to deliver the will of the people over Brexit and possibly thinks she is the best person to deliver that and that the "magic circle" may not show the same willingness to deliver the will of the people.

'What about next years council elections and the upcoming mayoral elections? Will 'anti establishment' candidates be running in order to give 'the majority of the people' the opportunity to vote for them?'

I think so. My guess is that UKIP will still do well as lots of people still think that the Establishment candidates are not listening to the people.

My guess is that UKIP will still do well as lots of people still think that the Establishment candidates are not listening to the people.

Are UKIP running mayoral candidates? I was under the impression they'd ruled themselves out due to the cost.

It will be interesting to see if 'anti-establishment' candidates run on a party ticket in the next council elections - traditionally, they've mainly been independent.

'Are UKIP running mayoral candidates? I was under the impression they'd ruled themselves out due to the cost.'

I don't know, but I think mayoral elections are irrelevant, just another layer of bureaucrats over the people. I think I read that Theresa May has gone cool on Osborne's mayoral ideas and the philosophy of the modernisers over that, but I am not sure.

'traditionally, they've mainly been independent.'

Yes, because we don't have enough parties that oppose the status quo in our "magic circle" first past the post system, so independents have to stand alone, but little by little, if the Establishment refuse to listen and change, then these independents are likely to form parties that meet popular demand.

I think mayoral elections are irrelevant, just another layer of bureaucrats over the people.

Knowing a bit about devolution, I think the Mayors will play a key role in the 'magic circle'.

It seems short sighted of the anti establishment parties not to try and destabilise from within.

"Theresa May 'set to abandon drive for metro mayors'

www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1406359/theresa-may-set-abandon-drive-metro-mayors

If she carries on like this with common sense policies, she is likely to win the anti-establishment vote, the anti "magic circle" constituency which by all accounts is huge and just waiting to be tapped and for "common sense" to be delivered.

'Knowing a bit about devolution, I think the Mayors will play a key role in the 'magic circle'.'

That is why the majority are against it. They don't want another layer of bureaucrats and busybodies lording it over the people and defying the elected government for show and local political shenanigans.

We vote a government in and we want them to run the country according to their manifesto which the majority wanted. We don't want grandstanding mayors to put spanners in the works.

If she carries on like this with common sense policies, she is likely to win the anti-establishment vote

And where does that leave JC, NF and the like? Will they cease their opposition for the Government because it has become acceptable to 'anti-establishment' voters?

If Theresa May wins back the 20% of Tory voters like me who had enough of Cameron, the modernisers, the "magic circle" and their hoody hugging, then UKIP won't have any room to grow apart from in the Labour heartlands.

If the government wins over the majority and listens to the people, then it will continue to win convincingly and Farage would have no place left to go.

Corbyn will still oppose because he disagrees with the majority on many issues, but if May wins over the majority, then Corbyn would be unlikely to succeed and Labour will again turn Tory-lite and lose because the people will prefer the real thing. That is why the only way that Corbyn can win is to entirely change the ball game and offer new different policies that the people have not seen before (no more Tory-lite) and if they meet the people's wishes, then he will have changed the Overton window and the "magic circle" will have been outplayed and defeated. Whether Corbyn is up to the challenge remains doubtful because he has not shown the courage to be able to defeat his own Labour "magic circle" yet.