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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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Threesoundslikealot · 06/08/2016 21:06

I completely agree, Lauder.

This is the great man himself, and his campaign.

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-a-trump-loss-in-november-could-still-be-destructive/2016/08/05/4ed7fff2-5a86-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html?wpisrc=nl_draw&wpmm=1

claig · 06/08/2016 21:09

No, I am not in the pay of Trump's campaign unfortunately.

'surely they'll have him assassinated in double quick time?'

Trump has protection.

claig · 06/08/2016 21:40

Article about Trump and the enormity of a Trump victory. Stresses that the entire world political order will change. It is a pessimistic look at Trump by someone who may also have seen Brexit as pessimistic.

"President Trump is a monster waiting behind a locked door. What happens if America opens it?

I have just returned from a week on the US east coast spent among friends, all of whom would probably be placed in the “liberal elite” voter category. Mr Trump was such a compelling topic that he had to be banned from the conversation at times to avoid souring the mood. When he is discussed, it’s with incredulity and disbelief. “You know what the worst aspect of a Trump presidency would be?” said one friend. “Global warming.”
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But unlike Brexit, the election of Mr Trump could be a disaster on a scale we have not experienced in the West for a very long time.
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Whatever your view about the referendum, in Britain, we’ve woken up. We’ve realised it’s possible for all our received wisdoms to be wrong and for the inconceivable to happen. All of the old “common sense” rules – that British voters are cautious, that fear is more effective than hope, that we don’t want big, untested ideas but boring competence – have proven to be useless.

Remainers are still in a kind of post-traumatic shock, throwing up their hands at the world. For Leavers, many of whom thought their own political victory so impossible that they took their own pens to polling stations to ensure their votes weren’t erased, Brexit is a ray of light. It’s the shocking, wonderful proof, after years of being ignored, that the system might be theirs too.
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But it feels to this post-Brexit Brit like we’ve turned a page in the world history textbook. In my version, the new chapter is probably called something like “Globalisation: the Western Backlash”. In updated versions, maybe it will have a different name.

Whatever it’s called, one of its themes is that traditional political techniques and wisdoms have lost their potency and that the elites of every country were too slow to realise. Keys are rattling in the locks of doors we thought had been sealed shut. Be in no doubt, the West’s established democratic and economic systems are in the balance"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/president-trump-is-a-monster-waiting-behind-a-locked-door-what-h/

If Trump wins, the elite's entire game will be up, it will be the end of all their dreams, schemes and lies. That is why they desperately want him to lose and are using the usual media tricks to try and stop him.

Lweji · 06/08/2016 22:55

Threesoundslikealot

Curiously, Trump does tend to accuse others of what he does himself.

This makes me worried that he is indeed trying to rig the election and steal the election from Hillary.
She has consistently been in front of Trump, with very few occasions where it looks tied.
If anyone steals anything it would be Trump.

claig · 06/08/2016 22:59

'This makes me worried that he is indeed trying to rig the election and steal the election from Hillary. '

He can't. The states run the elections as Obama said, and they are under the control of the party Governors etc and the Establishment and much of teh Republican Establishment are all anti Trump, so Trump controls nothing whereas they do.

AcrossthePond55 · 06/08/2016 23:06

claig Are you in the pay of Trump's campaign? (Same here, btw, staggered to discover you are a woman). I have been reading and rereading your posts and it just isn't possible for any one individual to be as wonderfully iconoclastic and fantastically mighty as you think Trump is.

Claig can afford to think Trump is the second coming, she isn't an American. She won't have to live with the consequences the way we will. If people in foreign nations don't care for us now, can you imagine the hatred they'll feel once Trump takes over? It doesn't bear thinking about!

Yes, yes I know Claig trots out the 'as America goes, so goes the world' line for her interest in our politics, but it's the same as me posting pro-Farage rhetoric using the same reasoning. If Claig feels that the US is the 'most influential' then Britain runs second.

Trump has all the makings of another Hitler and he's using the same tactics. Us against them (the Muslims!), we're the 'master race' (America/Americans are 'great'), and 'it's not our fault, the 'others' are taking your jobs (Hitler the Jews, Trump the Mexicans/other immigrants). And for those who think that Trump is so pro-2nd amendment, if he does win and there is a populist uprising he'll 'take your guns' so fast it'll make your heads spin. OK, that last is hyperbolic, but it would be the truth.

Lweji · 06/08/2016 23:09

He can easily get hackers, though.

What does Anonymous say about all this, BTW?

Oh, I see there was a supposed and failed 1st April attack. But maybe they planted the baby?

claig · 06/08/2016 23:20

'people in foreign nations don't care for us now, can you imagine the hatred they'll feel once Trump takes over? '

Only the left wing people. Most right wing people like America as it is all about freedom, innovation, enterprise, success and rewards for effort. As Trump says, he will be a lot tougher on other countries, but they will respect him and America more.

AcrossthePond55, a lot of Americans want Trump to win. Trump has the largest rallies of all, larger than Bernie and far larger than Hillary. They don't think he is Hitler, they think he is about restoring common sense.

A Trump victory will change the entire planet, as all the articles say. This is teh biggest revolution anyone has seen for decades. he will overturn all the crap, all the Davos stuff, all the elitist, globalist world government stuff, globalisation, globalism, which will mean that the puppets in governments will now have to start working for their own people rather than for the elites. That is a very good thing for the people, and a bad thing for the elites which is why people turn out in their tens of thousands to hear Trump speak, and the elites use their usual media tricks to try to scare people about him being Hitler etc.

claig · 06/08/2016 23:23

'What does Anonymous say about all this, BTW?'

Anonymous are left wing, often take Establishment lines, so I doubt they would ever support Trump.

However, Wikileaks are leaking stuff that does not harm Trump, so far.

Lweji · 06/08/2016 23:30

As Trump says, he will be a lot tougher on other countries, but they will respect him and America more.

Yeah, about that... erm...

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 06/08/2016 23:37

Hey Claig, can you please answer this question so I can understand and follow your posts? I can't atm because I don't know who the establishment are

Claig Thank you for giving me names. Problem is you have since gone on to say others are Establishment (Harvard) but I thought you said the people you mention are the servants of the elites? I'm starting to think your idea of Establishment is anyone high profile who disagrees/doesn't like Trump?

claig · 06/08/2016 23:44

'I'm starting to think your idea of Establishment is anyone high profile who disagrees/doesn't like Trump?'

Yes, or "servants of the Establishment" to use the correct term for the puppets, because Trump is anti-establishment, so the bigwigs who oppose him are mainly working for the Establishment.

"The Anti-Establishment Front-Runner
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Trump is something new in Republican politics. He’s the anti-establishment front-runner.

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Trump lacks many of the attributes of a traditional front-runner — the endorsements, the broad fundraising base (because he’s not really fundraising), the well-oiled campaign apparatus. What he does have is the polling strength, the dominance in the media and the ability to drive the debate. He is not the candidate of any one faction, but performs well across the spectrum and especially with GOP moderates.

He has usurped the position held by the strongest establishment candidate almost by default for decades, and reduced Bush, the presumptive heir to that slot, for now, to a well-funded also-ran."

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/the-anti-establishment-front-runner-213280

Lweji · 06/08/2016 23:44

Trump has the largest rallies of all

And?
The question is if he'll have the largest number of voters. Rallies are easily manufactured.

More seriously, he may have the most ardent admirers but not the most people prepared to vote for him.

claig · 06/08/2016 23:48

'Rallies are easily manufactured. '

Then why can't Establishment Owen Smith, candidate for the 172, get larger rallies than Corbyn? Or Hillary for that matter?

Lweji · 06/08/2016 23:50

Claig, are you familiar with the term circular argument?

Lweji · 06/08/2016 23:50

Claig, Hillary is after voters, not rally attendees.

claig · 06/08/2016 23:58

'Hillary is after voters, not rally attendees.'

So is Trump and so was Bernie, but Hillary had the support of Democratic superdelegates to beat Bernie and his voters.

You can't force people to go to rallies. It is not a Blairite Labour Party worker type stunt, because some of Trump's rallies were 35,000 people travelling for miles and queuing for hours. You can't buy that, you can't do a Blairite spin stunt with rounded up Labour apparatchiks, it is real.

Wall Street can buy politicians, but it can't buy voters or rally attendees.

"Hillary Clinton is Wall Street's preferred candidate: Financial execs pouring millions into her campaign to beat Donald Trump"

www.salon.com/2016/05/09/hillary_clinton_is_wall_streets_preferred_candidate_financial_execs_pouring_millions_into_her_campaign_to_defeat_trum/

Lweji · 06/08/2016 23:59

By the same reasoning you can't buy voters.

At least it's more difficult than rally participants.

claig · 07/08/2016 00:06

'By the same reasoning you can't buy voters. '

No, that is why the Establishment tries to scare them over Trump, the same way they tried to scare them over Brexit. But they keep losing because the people have changed to being anti-establishment, which is why Corbyn and Bernie had such high support too. There is nothing the Establishment can do, Davos is davostated. As the Telegraph reporter wrote

"traditional political techniques and wisdoms have lost their potency and that the elites of every country were too slow to realise"

Kaija · 07/08/2016 00:19

Lovely that MN has its very own Lord Haw Haw for the Putin era. Looks like a full-time job.

claig · 07/08/2016 00:24

Oh dear, now Lord Haw Haw and Trump as Hitler. Will the scares never end?

Threesoundslikealot · 07/08/2016 00:27

Claig, your link is hopelessly out of date, and relates to his campaign for the nomination rather than for president.

Trump has had a catastrophic week. His party is looking for ways to distance themselves from him to save their seats in the House because his polling is so appalling. (Yes, yes, yes, they are the Establishment.)

Rallies are meaningless in electoral terms, but turnout at his rallies are falling anyway. His most recent rally wasn't even televised.

Threesoundslikealot · 07/08/2016 00:31

Sanders has once more urged his supporters to stop Trump. The 9% who aren't already backing Hillary against Trump, that is. He doesn't think Trump had anything in common with him.

Donald Trump would be a disaster and an embarrassment for our country if he were elected president. His campaign is not based on anything of substance — improving the economy, our education system, healthcare or the environment. It is based on bigotry. He is attempting to win this election by fomenting hatred against Mexicans and Muslims. He has crudely insulted women. And as a leader of the “birther movement,” he tried to undermine the legitimacy of our first African American president. That is not just my point of view. That’s the perspective of a number of conservative Republicans.

claig · 07/08/2016 00:32

'Claig, your link is hopelessly out of date, and relates to his campaign for the nomination rather than for president.'

Yes, I know, but it is still relevant. He is the anti-establishment candidate, opposed by the establishment, whereas Wall Street backs Hillary and even lots of Republican bigwigs back her over Trump.

'His most recent rally wasn't even televised.'

He does a rally nearly every night. He is about the only candidate that the networks interrupt their schedules for in order to broadcast any live rallies. They can't broadcast every one of his rallies.

'Rallies are meaningless in electoral terms'

I agree, but they are an indication of enthusiasm and popular support. One man and his dog turned up at a Jeb Bush rally whereas thousands turn up for Trump.

claig · 07/08/2016 00:34

Yes, Bernie is left wing, he is not going to back Trump, even though he agrees with him on some issues like trade.

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