What happens if Trump wins?

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I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

He's clearly not of the thinking elite. Or the benefactor elite.
He does seem to be of the take advantage of anyone else elite, though.

"Probably the usual Establishment tricks"

So, kind of like when Trump kept banging on about Obama's birth certificate.

I've read all your links, Claig. There's not much new in them, is there? Mostly covered way back in the mainstream media for those who bother to read it.

The West's foreign policy towards the Middle East and Africa, and Hillary's role in it, are hugely controversial. Many people who support Hillary in other matters find her stance hawkish, and it's interesting how much this stuff sticks to her and not Obama. I'm sure history will raise questions about all of it.

But it's already out there. It's not some big secret of Trump's. Your sources are, inevitably, all anti-Hillary so no attempt is made to provide balance. Presumably the mainstream media, who have covered all this, failed to present it in a dramatic and simplistic enough way?

Ok, I am now well rested

For the record, I drove through Davos a couple of years ago.
Last time I went skiing was in Sotland and I thought I was going to die

I am as cynical as they come when it comes to politicians/Big Industry etc and I am quite sure that the world is organised in such a way to benefit a tiny minority of Insanely Well-Off People (the statistics that a tiny percentage of the world's population owns a huge chunk of wealth are readily available). I am no lover of Hilary or the Clintons or Oxbridge/Davos/The Establishment/Globalism.

That said, Trump? Really??!
No, he is clearly not of the Thinking Elite, or Interested in Public Office in Order to Serve the Public Elite, or the Capable of Coherent Policy Elite.
That is what gets to me - how on earth has he become The Saviour to so many people when he is at best egocentric and eccentric, and at worst all out insane.

Yes, him and Putin, they are going to right it all. Of course…

'But it's already out there. It's not some big secret of Trump's.'

No, bits and pieces are out, but the Establishment and its media don't tell the full story. Trump knows all about it and is likely to tell the public things that have not been told by the Establishment.

The email leaks etc are likely to reveal more info on what really went on and why.

Well, I hope he gets on with it then. And that The Establishment and The Media pay attention, rather than just writing about it in their publications and covering it on their news channels like they have before.

Pacific, Claig demonstrates exactly how he's doing it. Any criticism of him is Liberal Lies, is the Establishment covering up the truth and attacking Trump. People are taking this stuff in uncritically and it appeals to their sense of being badly done by. Trump attempts to stifle any criticism whatsoever (remember he has banned the Washington Post from 'covering' his campaign for example) and it's easy enough in the U.S. to take all your news from completely partisan sources. He wants a totalitarian regime obviously.

Hillary to me, and to so many others, is such a complex concept (if I can make her such a thing). Part of an unholy mess up of foreign policy, but also a strong supporter of the rights of minorities and women. One of the super rich, but got there from a modest background and subject to criticism over her speaking fees in a rhetoric that feeds into the rampant misogynism that surrounds every element of the attacks on her. Her campaign has moved hugely to the left after pressure from Bernie. She has been subject to such lengthy sustained character assassination from the Right that it's virtually impossible to get a grip on the truth of things. But I think she's a decent human being with a public service drive.

Yes, I know that's how he's doing it, three, but I am just incredulous that it's bloody working. It does not fill me with confidence about The People and their judgement… I suppose that is because I am a wishy-washy liberal leftie kinda hand wringer who sees complexity in situations.
Yes, and I agree with your Hilary assessment. She's come a long way and is not unscathed by her journey, in many respects. But by any measure, surely she is the less-bad option here?!

Sorry, Pacific. Obviously you get it - my post was a bit otiose. But it's the same boggling at Farage, public school multimillionaire banker man of the people. I think people are desperate for someone to tell them that the world can be changed and it's all just easy.

Trump knows all about it

That would be a first.
He can hardly grasp what we know...

I'd be in stitches to know if I believed that he was privy to any such information to start with.
It's just a campaign trick like all others and that you're so proud of, claig.
I'll eat my straw hat if he can come up with something substantial and something that he can explain to the nation.

People are getting wise to it, too, I suspect. You can only milk vague threats for so long.

You can fool everyone for only part of the time, and only some people all the time.
This is very true.

As for speaking fees, Trump is still making money, including by manufacturing abroad, something he's so dead against. He's the ultimate hypocrite.

Trump charges double what Hillary does in speaking fees.

Three, no apology required, at all.

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but it is quite disheartening that The People don't learn from history - I bet Genghis Khan gave rousing speeches too and by some measures was quite successful. Good at rhetoric does not equal good leader necessarily.
Even Adolf was 'successful' - up to a point. And what sacrifices had to be brought to stop him

I thought I had missed it, but he hasn't yet released his tax returns, has he?

edition.cnn.com/2016/08/03/opinions/warren-buffett-challenge-to-trump/

"There is NO legitimate reason for Trump not to release his tax returns. Sad! There is only one word for Don't-Disclose-Donald's position: Unacceptable!"

But, for balance:
www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/05/12/top-10-reasons-trump-should-not-release-his-tax-returns/#57dd7cd6362c

But for all possible legitimate reasons, it makes it look like he does have something to hide.

I thought he had stated that he was not going to release his tax return? No idea where I heard that, mind.

I refer back to the housing related benefit he got in New York State ("in error") designated for people whose family income is less than $500K per annum

Thinking about this, sadly, over breakfast and marvelling really at how Trump's campaign has set up matters so Hillary is, rightly, held up to the very high standards required for public office, whereas Trump operates in a wasteland where law suits, open racism and sexism, demonstrable enormous lies etc, go virtually unaddressed. If Hillary said just one of the things Trump comes out with on a daily basis, it could end her campaign.

Having said that, now we're on a full on presidential campaign as opposed to the primaries, the wheels are coming off the Trump juggernaut a bit at last.

Trump was relentless in his racist bids for Obama to release his birth certificate, because he'd show it if 'he had nothing to hide' etc etc

The irony/hypocrisy is just breathtaking.

Hypocrisy could easily be his nickname.

Hillary should just keep asking the question with a knowing smile and leave it in the open.
But she has a field to pick from in return when he accuses her of something.

Probably the usual Establishment tricks, but even if it is true, it won't help the Establishment. No one cares,

I get why people who don't think too much and have already made up their mind don't care - much like Farage supporters. Totally switched off from criticism or analysis. But, you're not that dumb claig, so why don't you care?

'But, you're not that dumb claig, so why don't you care?'

Because like millions and millions of people (who in the end will vote Trump in , in my opinion) I think that the minor things that Trump may have done or said are as nothing compared to what has been covered up by the Establishment and what they have done.

Trump is ending it all, Davos is terrified, it's all coming to an end.

"the minor things^

Yes, the end is nigh, there, there.
Repeating it does not make it any more convincing, claig

Seriously, the way Trump conducts himself in business, the way he's conned people, do you REALLY think he'll act for the people in office? Do you really think he won't cover up as much or worse things in office? You don't think he won't just make sure his own financial interests will be covered? You really think that he will have a good enough grasp or humility to take advice on the implications of any international or national actions? You are convinced he won't play recklessly with the economy like he's played with his investments?
Really?

"The Specter of Donald Trump Is Haunting Davos

If Donald Trump as president of the United States is the ghost that’s stalking Davos, many among the global elite hope he’ll be banished by spring. Others see that as wishful thinking."

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/trump-fear-stalks-davos-as-elite-pray-for-spring-reality-check

The media is doing everything they can to try and stop Trump for the sake of their bosses, but it's too late, the people will vote him in and then it will be all over for their schemes and dreams.

It has already been pointed out that there could be two reasons why people in power are worried about Trump. One because he's a threat to them, the second because he's a threat to the US (and the world).

To keep saying they are worried and using this to justify how he's god's gift to humanity is either really foolish or thinking the other people (readers) are fools.

Yes, we all agree that many people are worried. But not particularly for the reasons you claim. Or Trump.

' the way he's conned people, do you REALLY think he'll act for the people in office?'

Yes, because he has got the elite's number (which is why they are all so scared of him), he knows how the game works, he knows what they do, and he is going to end the game.

'You don't think he won't just make sure his own financial interests will be covered? '

No, because Trump is not a "career politician" on the make, "bought and paid for" and "owned". He is a billionaire, he doesn't need his own charidee to make money. He frightens them because they can't control him, he says whatever he feels like and they can't stop him. He is their worst nightmare, they have met their match.

"You really think that he will have a good enough grasp or humility to take advice on the implications of any international or national actions?"

Humility is not something Trump has, he is street smart and has common sense unlike the geeks and puppets.

"Donald Trump is giving the over-educated geeks who run the world a sharp lesson in reality

The establishment has thrown everything at Donald Trump and failed. Again and again, he brushes off their insults and indignation and bags a few more million votes. But unlike everyone else in the media, I see Mr Trump’s decisive victory in Indiana as a really hopeful sign for democracy in the West.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/06/donald-trump-is-giving-the-over-educated-geeks-who-run-the-world/

They need a whole lot more than geeks from Oxbridge and Harvard to stop Trump. The game's up. Common sense is returning.

'You are convinced he won't play recklessly with the economy like he's played with his investments? '

Trump never plays safe, as we have seen in this election. He breaks all their rules, insults the lot of them, defies and snubs Fox, tweets about the "puppets" etc. He takes risks, but that is what will turn America around. He is ending their game.

“We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism,” Trump promised during a speech in Washington."

Davos is in pieces.

Kinda OT but is Trump really planning to toss out Roe v Wade?!

I had an anxiety attack before. I was thinking about Trump having nuclear weapons and I got so worked up I started thinking because he's insane he'll blow us all up. (Yes, I know, but it was a panic attack)

My point is, Claig, I'm not an 'elite' and I'm afraid of Trump.

Do you think I'm the only one? Truly? Because I don't.

How does him 'having the elite's number' and 'knowing the game' make him likely to look after the interests of the people?
There is no cause and effect or logic here, claig.