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Ian Duncan Smith- is he on borrowed time?

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cherryblosomautumn · 18/10/2015 17:48

There seems to be a lot of fuss at moment on internet and on news about a huge ammount of vunerable people dying earlier than they should have due to his changes to DWP.
From what I know (which is not a lot) there is a report due-is this true?
I think also he was supposed to explain himself at an enquirey, but he postproned to December. Is this true?
If he does have blood on his hands could he face legal prossecution?

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squidzin · 18/10/2015 19:30

I know there was a report that revealed a ridiculous number of people who died after their benefits were stopped, because the DWP declared them "fit for work". The actual causes of deaths are still confidential afaik.

Don't know if that's the one you're thinking of?

Isitmebut · 19/10/2015 11:13

You will find a lot of misinformation on the internet, but I think you'll find that the statistic show that there is very little difference in the death rate of claimants vs the rest of the population for many years now.

And clearly there were a lot of people with a vested interest in posting misinformation - as all many needed for benefits were a pulse - or not in many cases based on the fraud on an unreformed/checked welfare system for 13-years.

And based on what good it did and how much it cost, IF THERE IS A COURT CASE, it should be Labour answering to the taxpayer what does the country have to show at the end of 13-years for their £trillions of spending/debt?

”900,000 choose to come off sickness benefit ahead of tests”

”Nearly 900,000 people who were on incapacity benefit dropped their claim to the payments rather than undergo a tough medical test, latest government figures show.”

”The 878,300 who decided not to have an official assessment of whether they were fit for work was more than a third of the total number of people claiming sickness-related benefits.”

”The statistics also revealed that some claimants cited conditions such as “blisters”, “sprains and strains” and “acne” as preventing them from having a job.”

”More than 46,120 people claimed incapacity benefit because of “behavioural disorders due to the use of alcohol” while 29,130 claimants cited drug use.”

”Ministers will hit back in the row over welfare this week by publishing a raft of figures which they say show that tough measures - or the threat of them - are already “changing behaviour” by seeing people drop their claims.”

^”These include the figures on incapacity benefit. As well as the 878,300 who chose to drop their claims, another 837,000 who did take the a medical test were found to be fit to work immediately, while a further 367,300 were judged able to some level of work.

”Only 232,000 (one in eight of those tested) were classified by doctors to be too ill to do any sort of job.”

Apr 2010; Inequality rose under Labour, says IFS

”The gap between rich and poor has grown since 1997, despite three successive Labour governments reforming the tax and benefit system in an attempt to reduce income inequality, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said .”

Isitmebut · 19/10/2015 11:15

P.S. Based on the rising drug and alcohol problem within the UK, maybe we should not be surprised if the death rate vs the rest of the population DID rise.

DannyFishcharge · 19/10/2015 11:17

I really hope so. He's vile.

cherryblosomautumn · 19/10/2015 17:11

I hear his department had planned a party to celebrate one year of benefit sanctions. They were ordered to cancel it at last minute. In my mind, that speaks volumes about him.
also, he is thick as well as callous/malicious
also his book is awful

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harrasseddotcom · 19/10/2015 17:20

I read that the UK government is to face an inquiry by the UN’s Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities due to alleged “grave or systemic violations” of the rights of disabled people. For it to even get to that level tells me that IDS has fucked up big time.

finalbutton · 19/10/2015 22:50

so surely his days are numbered? and wasnt Universal Credit supposed to have been rolled out ages ago?

squidzin · 19/10/2015 22:52

The Tories are fucking up left right and centre they should just fuck off.

howtorebuild · 19/10/2015 22:58

Yes I read the UN have been investigating for some time.

BareCubsHungry · 20/10/2015 06:48

also, when you saw him cheering George Osbourne pronouncement of the work penalty tax he just came across as a twat.

howtorebuild · 20/10/2015 12:31

Didn't he laugh and leave mid debate when dwp business was discussed in the house?

blacksunday · 20/10/2015 14:53

Yes, the UN is currently investigating the UK government for human rights abuses of disabled people.

The United Nations is carrying out an unprecedented inquiry into “systematic and grave violations” of disabled people’s human rights by the UK government, Disability News Service (DNS) can finally confirm.


I really hope that vile psychopath IDS ends up behind bars.

Isitmebut · 22/10/2015 11:47

IF there was UN 'Disabled Benefits Department' methinks they have more tax funded jobsworths than the EU in Brussels, looking at countries no doubt including the likes of Angola and Syria; in fact, UK protest groups have contacted the UN and this is the first of its kind. Kudos.

But as Cameron said at PMQT Wednesday (see the link at the bottom) while cooperating with the report, when comparing the UK to other countries, he seems to doubt it will go anywhere.

For example;

Quite how the UN decides if a Spare Room Subsidy (Bedroom tax) is a 'Human Rights Abuse' if local authorities can't work out a disabled persons actual needs and charges the subsidy when;

  • How many countries in comparison HAVE Council/social homes?

  • Why would those in Private housing pay for/stay in a home with bedrooms they don't need those in Council homes previously could?

  • What about the 'Human Rights' of the poorest in society WITHOUT ANY BEDROOMS, like the 1.9 million families (5 million citizens) on the Council/social home waiting list?

"The Prime Minister said he was proud of his Government’s record on people with disabilities and said he would cooperate with any probe, but downplayed its significance."

“Of course I will look at any United Nations investigation but sometimes when you look at these investigations they are not necessarily all they are originally cracked up to be,” he said."

“There are many disabled people our world who don’t have any of the rights or any of the support we have here in Britain and I think we should be proud of what we do as we cooperate with this report.”
finalbutton · 24/10/2015 10:29

Isitmebut ----don't say 'methinks' seriously.

The Guardian had a report of 4000 premature deaths

That it my mind is off the scale terrible. I cant imagine having a life where I would be responsible for a thing like that. Only war criminals can.

blacksunday · 24/10/2015 22:33

Benefit sanctions: Churches accuse DWP of 'using hunger as a weapon'

Sanctions cause hardship, hunger, and are "purely punitive", a coalition of churches and charities has said.

The group collectively criticised the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) over its response to a select committee's report that the sanction policy for benefits is "purely punitive" and driving claimants into deeper poverty.

The group, which includes the Church of Scotland, Church Action on Poverty, the Methodist Church, the Baptist Union and the Church in Wales, has called for "immediate suspension of sanctions against families with children and people with mental-ill health" and a "full independent review of the regime."

Rather than undertake the full independent review called for, Iain Duncan Smith announced yesterday that the DWP is going to trial an 'early warning system' for benefit claimants facing sanctions. Under the trial, claimants will be given a 'yellow-card' fourteen days before their benefits are reduced, giving them time to qualify why they failed to meet the commitments required to get benefits.

Under current rules the sanctions take effect immediately.

"In refusing to undertake a full review, the DWP is stubbornly ignoring the calls of parliament, expert advisers, Churches and charities. Most importantly, it is condemning people, many of whom have also spoken out eloquently against the inhumanity of the current practice, to unjust and pointless punishment," said Paul Morrison, Public Issues Policy Adviser for the Methodist Church.

Criticising the decision of the DWP to install a 'yellow card' system, Morrison suggested that the policy did not tackle the problem at its cause.

"If a court is working to a bad set of laws for a bad set of reasons and making bad and unreliable decisions, it's not the sentencing policy you look at," he said.

"'Yellow cards' will reduce the number of sanctions, which is welcome, but won't address the fundamental problems that occur long before the decision to sanction has been made. That's why we need a full independent review."

The consequences of the policy are severe, leaving vulnerable people without money to pay for essentials such as food and heating.

This can "have a damaging impact not only on their physical and mental health but also the health of family members, including children, who depend upon them," said Dr Richard Vautrey, a GP in Leeds and deputy chair of the British Medical Association's General Practitioners Committee.

"Government policy directly puts the health of patients we care for at risk. Immediate action should be taken to end these punitive actions."

In March this year, the group published a report showing that nearly 100,000 children had been affected by sanctions in 2014 alone and that people with mental health problems were being sanctioned at a rate of more than 100 per day.

"The Government claims that sanctions help people into work, but the evidence for this claim is practically non-existent," said Morrison. "However, there is plenty of evidence that sanctions cause hardship, suffering and hunger. Any system that seeks to 'change people's behaviour' by using hunger as a weapon is immoral."

twoboostwoghouls · 26/10/2015 22:23

I met this IDS fucker, about six years ago. He came to the homeless shelter I worked in. He could not have been less interested in the homeless....he completely ignored them and only shone when there was a pretty staff member in the vicinity or when a camera was focused on him. My manager was disgusted when he abandoned an important meeting in order to find a very good looking and young staff member he had spied earlier. He was completely open about his intention. Dickhead!

Room101isWherePeopleDie · 26/10/2015 22:29

If there is any justice in the world, then he's going down!
Is there any way of forcing isitmebut to have a 'I am a torybot' signature at the end of their posts?

squidzin · 26/10/2015 22:34

Twoboost that is fucking disgusting.

twoboostwoghouls · 26/10/2015 22:49

Squid my mananger who was in the meeting with him told anyone who would listen, for about a year, about how IDS just stood up in the meeting and told everyone how he was more interested in finding this girl. I worked with the girl he took a fancy to, and yes she was gorgeous, but she was also extremely committed to the homeless and she was just as disgusted as our manager. The residents to this day talk about how he ignored them.

HelenaDove · 27/10/2015 00:56

twoboost Shock

NanaNina · 27/10/2015 01:39

IDS is the worst of a bad, ruthless shower of shite called a government, though Jeremy Hunt and Gideon Osborne turn my stomach too. IDS spent around 40 million of taxpayer's money on failed IT systems for his Universal Credit which is years behind schedule, and which will leave people much worse off, if that's at all possible.

Apart from the obvious Tory on here, I think many of us can see how callous this government is - they make Thatcher look vaguely reasonable and I never thought I'd make such a comment! The way they are treating benefit claimants is shocking - sanctioning people for a month, or 3 months for petty reasons, and telling them to go to the food banks. And that odious creature IDS had the audacity to say that people only used food banks because they were there!!

The dreadful work capability test is finding people with severe illnesses (both physical and mental) fit for work and has them spending 35 hours a week on a computer looking for work. No matter that they don't have a computer and don't know how to use them and they might have to spend £5 a day on bus fares to get to the library to use a computer. And YES people are committing suicide as a result. These tests aren't carried out by doctors. My friend with a serious mental health problem had a physiotherapist carry out her wctest!! It's like asking an electrician to paper your bedroom.

Ah bedroom - the bloody bedroom tax - how unbelievable spiteful is this - there are no smaller council/HA properties for people to move to, so they have to pay the top up or they are evicted because they can't afford the top up. It brings in peanuts. I wonder how many spare rooms Cameron and the rest of the cabinet have.

What the Sun and DM and Telegraph don't tell you is that the biggest spend of the welfare budge is on people like me - state pensions. And they don't tell you that the majority of benefit claimants are in work and don't earn enough to make ends meet. And now the govt talk of a living wage - under £10 an hour is not a living wage, and now they are cutting tax credits even though Cameron said they wouldn't do this - why should we believe him. Mind there is quite a storm being whipped up in the House of Lords about tax credits.

Corbyn talks sense - old Labour and it seems a lot of people like what they hear.

HelenaDove · 28/10/2015 17:03
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