Corbyn Speech

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Very well delivered. No spin, no pregnant pauses, no coached phoney hand gestures. A couple of flat jokes written by teenage whizzkids from Oxbridge, but that is to be expected. Very natural, totally unaffected, a refreshing change from what we are used to. Modernisers now face real competition.

Corbyn gets it, he is going after the elite, spelling out how a few control the many. If he keeps this type of thing up and cuts out the advice of the teenage Oxbridge whizzkids then he will win over the whole country against the likes of the Piers Gaveston.

"Let's put our values, the people's values, back into politics."

Brilliant. Focus on the people and the people will vote Labour.

I have not heard so many lies/inaccuracies since I read Black Sundays Christmas Annual.

What socialism says it will do, it can never even get close to actually achieving, as they are economically incompetent as proven by the FACT they have not left the economy (that pays for 'stuff') in a better shape than when they were passed it, since the 1930's - so no wonder they still write books about those founders, who at least understood the basics, that you can't TALK about one thing, and DELIVER another.

I thought he'd bottled it? That was your line about 3 hrs. ago.

He has, but there is still hope that he will find some Farageian courage and take the elite on. It's not over yet. Oxbridge Blairites, the Establishment and the Piers Gaveston will try to stop him, but we will have to wait and see if he is capable of defending "the people's values".

Osborne 2020 only seems more certain.

I would like to know where the cut off line between "the people" and the "elite" is.

Good question Trouble. Difficult to pinpoint. Remember that the politicians aren't the elite, they are supposedly the people's representatives but in many cases work for the elite instead.

It's like buzz word bingo on these threads

I guess the cut off line is where they decide to introduce the 50% tax. I don't think "elite" is a word that you can precisely define. The main jist of Corbynite politics is that wealth should be redistributed and there should be more equality in society. It isn't a defined "us and them" situation.

What puts me off him, is that he seems to think it ok to be friendly with terrorists. I just can't get my head around that. I just don't think it's ever justified to resort to violence in order to try and force political change. But other than that I am glad that the Labour party is now actually the Labour party once again. I really hope politics is going to improve now, at least we know what he stands for. I just didn't really understand Milliband, smany politicians saying what people want to hear to try and get votes.

Corbyn and Farage are the only ones I think who will say what they think and make no apology for it. At least you know what you get with them.

I thought the tone was reasoned and the content admirable. The torys want you to work longer for less. I remember that most of all. This new entry into the pantheon of british politics still hasn't fallen flat on his face. The wheel still has failed to come of the cart. More and more I'm getting optimistic and a little excited and when I first heard of him I thought it was far fetched.

captainproton
Thatcher was in bed with pinoche (the chilie guy, I cant spell his name) and thought Nelson Mandella was a terrorist. Blair got in bed with Libya,

Do we not need to talk to terrorists to find peace?

There's no strict cut off line between hot and cold water, but you'd prefer to drink a cold glass of water with ice than a very hot one, wouldn't you?

I would like to know where the cut off line between "the people" and the "elite" is.

He needs to approach the middle class the same way that the Tories approached (attacked ) the working class. The tories managed quite well to make divisions- undeserving poor)/deserving poor. He needs to transpose that model to the middle class and make it so they no longer see them selves as a homogeneous demographic.

It would appear however that allegedly parts of his script was not original, but offered to and rejected by previous leaders

Yup, written for Milliband four years ago.

He needs to transpose that model to the middle class and make it so they no longer see them selves as a homogeneous demographic.

No he doesn't. The point of Social democracy isn't to attack the middle-class, it's to help alleviate poverty and help the middle-class flourish.

What he needs to do, and is doing, is call out austerity for the class warfare that it is, and unite the unemployed, working class, and middle-classes (the 99%) against the 1%, for whose benefit the state and economy is currently being run.

Well Stitches I don't hold much admiration for Thatcher or Blair. And yes Mandela was a terrorist.

I don't really think it's acceptable to blow up little kiddies to get you point across.

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I don't really think it's acceptable to blow up little kiddies to get you point across.

Maybe not, but you can't really petition against apartheid either.

It doesn't matter that some of his speech was written by others. Obviously the corny, flat jokes were written by modernisers, teenage whizzkids from Oxbridge and they fell flat as was expected, but the best part about the few controlling the many (the elite denying and stopping the people) was written by an old Labour guy who advised Denis Healey and who has offered his part to all subsequent Labour leaders (modernisers) who of course turned it down, but Corbyn saw the value in old ways instead of the Oxbridge teenage advice he has probably been inundated with, and included it.

Corbyn has said he is not the fount of knowledge and he wants to listen to the people and take good ideas from anywhere and that is admirable as long as he ignores the Blairites from Oxbridge.

Istimebut... and oh yes, the Conservatives have a short memory when it comes to the economy. Who was in power for most of the 30s? Who made all the bad economic decisions after Suez? Who was it that left the UK with massive financial messes in 1963/4 when Wilson got in, Reggie Maudlin's "sorry about the mess old cock." wasn't cause he left a great economy.

What about Heath in the 1970s, 3day week and rampant inflation. Thatcher of the early then late 80s, Major of the 1990s and black wednesday economics and the tories go hand in hand with pleasing the elite, and failing everyone else.

Even if you talk about the economic crash of 2008 it can't be blamed on Labour, the deregulation that caused it happened in the big bang under thatcher in the 80s and once the regulation was gone the city and its pressure groups were never going to let it back.

In fact the deficit was lower on average between 1997 and 2008 than it was in any other time during the Thatcher or Major years, it only raised to solve the massive issues that the banking crisis had caused. BTW the solution that Brown and Darling came up with was employed by almost every other capitalist nation effected, and Brown's leadership was praised.

The current Chancelor had his "omnishambles" budget and has raised the debt by more than all of the labour chancellors combined.

Please, Please don't talk about economics or history if you don't actually get it. If you buy into the arguments put by the tories now, you really don't get either.

I think, thats your argument rebutted no?

'Reggie Maudlin's "sorry about the mess old cock."

Blimey, not another Piers Gaveston attendee.

'I think, thats your argument rebutted no?'

Absolutely. Slam dunk. Very good post, longtimelurker101