McDonnell's Speech - Barnstormer. Panic in the usual circles

[claig]

Stunning speech by John McDonnell.

Elite in panic, 1% ers at a loss of what to do.
BBC probably instructed to try and stop the people.
Crisis meetings in gentlemens' clubs.
Directors, Director Generals, Lieutenants, Sergeants, Lords, Ladies, Barons and Baronesses in meltdown.

Teenage whizzkids at Oxbridge wooed with whopping wonga to staff think tanks whose aim is to stop the people.

All luvvies' leave cancelled, metropolitans told they have a mountain to climb to stop the people.

McDonnell, gamechanger? You betcha.

Elite already practising their pitch, sharpoening up their spin, calling all their luvvies in a last ditch attempt to stop the people. They'll be on TV tonight, the Tory-lites trying to do what the elite think is right, to stop the people with all their might.

Can the people win? Can they see through the luvvies' spin? Will they put the luvvies in the bin?

Jez they can!

He has a degree in government and politics and a masters in politics and sociology. Trump has a degree in economics (the US do not do PPE). Farage is, of course, a derivatives trader.

Anti-establishment them all - only 2 were privately educated.

Goodness me claig you do more about turns than a dodgem car but that one has to be the quickest.

Funnily enough I haven't noticed any whiff of panic in your so-called Establishment Elite, etc., etc., about either Corbyn or McDonell, I think might like to notch down the hysterical hyperbole a tad.

'Funnily enough I haven't noticed any whiff of panic in your so-called Establishment Elite'

That is because you haven't been paying enough attention.

"But the mood music feels different here, and that is reflected in the first waves of establishment panic. This week has seen an extraordinary number of columnists penning anti-Corbyn pieces.

"Now, now, you've had your fun", is the tone of these... "But seriously. It's time to grow up. Knock it off."

www.vice.com/en_uk/read/jeremy-corbyn-norwich-rally-100

At first, the Establishment was in panic about Corbyn and McDonnell because they thought they really might be doing "straight talkning honest politics" (a line they stole from Farage). But after watching them both dodge straight questions, bottle it repeatedly and call for "reviews" by teams of Oxbridge interns, the Piers Gaveston is now laughing its head off. The Establishment are reeling the "terrible two" in.

Corbyn, who struggles to answer a straight questiion with anything other than how "kind" he is, needed help to write his Conference Speech. The Establishment offered him help with a Torjan Horse of teenage whizzkids from Oxbridge to help write the salient points for him. What they came up with at the Piers Gaveston was "I love my country" and Corbyn was delighted with their contribution and will repeat it with glee on the podium. Meanwhile the Establishment are laughing their heads off as they set the agenda and Corbyn follows it. They are no longer panicking, they have got them where they want them. McDonnell is all "reviews" and no trousers.

I don't flip-flop, I change with the times as I watch what happens and it is clear that Corbyn and McDonnell are "review" bottlers who aren't straight-talking and that is why the Piers Gaveston is doing the conga.

The Corbyn experiment will end in disaster for Labour because it is pretty clear that Corbyn lacks the courage of Farage, he is not straight-talking and he will bow and kiss the hand of the Establishment when they demand it.

Corbyn will be stitched up by his own Oxbridge team within Labour and by the Oxbridge Establishment outside of Labour and at every stage, he will dance and bow to their tune and ask them to "review" his policies. The Piers Gaveston will "review" his policies and the media Establishment will say that the policies seem to have been drawn up by a bunch of teenage Trot intern whizzkids from Oxbridge and will ask the question "Does Corbyn love his country?"

The public, who expected some results and some changes in policy, will grow weary of "reviews" and Oxbridge teenage advisers, and will start to ask whether Corbyn shares the values of the Piers Gaveston rather than the values of the people, and it will be Establishment business as usual.

The game now moves across the Ocean, back to Trump. There is panic in the usual circles about Trump.

There's unfortunately no sure way to raise the money needed for big public spending without raising taxes on the bulk of the middle classes.

You can raise taxes on the rich, but they will find ways to avoid it, they have the money to pay for accountants.

I'm a fan of much higher inheritance tax, which is hard to avoid and a good way of preventing runaway generational inequality perpetuating itself.

Claig "I know the people" doesn't believe in inheritance tax.

Have Corbyn et al rebuffed a Russian overture recently?

Corbyn can't answer a question because he enough intelligence to realise that his erstwhile crazy backbench views make him unelectable. All the Tories ever needed to do was to create a video or ad campaign composed entirely of Corbyn & McDonnell quotes from the last 30 yrs.

'You can raise taxes on the rich, but they will find ways to avoid it, they have the money to pay for accountants.'

No, you have to change the law. Jail the people who invest in these offshore tyope schemes that ended up with BBC stars on millions of publicly funded salaries paying little tax. Have the dynamic duo - Corbyn and McDonnell - got the bottle or will they need to ask for a "review" conducted by millionaire Oxbridge advisers?

'Claig "I know the people" doesn't believe in inheritance tax.'

Yes, I don't believe in it. I don't think Labour politicians like Gordon bennett should get their hands on what people have worked hard for over a lifetime so that he can spend it on wind turbines, the Millenium Dome or any other politically correct SPAD policy wonk fancy. I believe in taxing corporations and speculators and bankers and income for high earners, not on their estates when they die.

'All the Tories ever needed to do was to create a video or ad campaign composed entirely of Corbyn & McDonnell quotes from the last 30 yrs.'

Yes but if Corbyn and McDonnell had the courage of Farage and were really straight-talking like Farage then they could honestly explain why they thought that and admit it if they got it wrong and have changed their minds. But they are bottlers and can't face scrutiny with straight-talking honest politics and that is why they will ultimately fail. To win takes special qualities, like Farage has got, and which they evidently lack. The teenage teams from Oxbridge have run rings around them and the Piers Gaveston is having a laugh.

Today, Corbyn's advisers, most probably teenage interns from Oxbridge, have told him to stand up and say "I love my country". What an idiot! The Establishment have probably packed the gallery with teenagers from Oxbridge who will shout out "oh no you don't". His teenage advisers have told him to reply "oh yes I do" and the Piers Gaveston pantomime will play out to the public over the airwaves and the Establishment will have a right good laugh.

Corbyn ought to take a lesson from Trump who has broken all the rules, defied all the pundits and politically correct advisers and has stormed into the lead among Republican candidates.

But Trump has got courage and Corbyn hasn't. Corbyn has done a u-turn and will now sing the National Anthem, he will bow and hop to the Queen between two chairs in the way that Prescott talked about, and he will ask for a "review" by teenage Oxbridge advisers who are members of Piers Gaveston.

Corbyn is no Trump and that is why the Establishment will defeat him with ease.

It's like playing Claig bingo:

Oxbridge
Establishment
Piers Gaveston
Tories
Taxes
teenage whizzkids

Are not all MP's almost by definition part of the establishment?

'teenage Oxbridge advisers who are members of Piers Gaveston'

Sorry, we have discovered that Piers Gaveston apparently does not have members. They are invitees or something and do something or other of an unsavoury nature, allegedly.

'Are not all MP's almost by definition part of the establishment?'

Yes, of course. Except for Keir Hardie, Donald Trump and Nigel Farage, which is why they are so popular with the people and drive fear into the hearts of the Piers Gaveston.

I think claig is accomplishing the impossible and making me like Corbyn.

Claig - the law is already clear, but accountants find ways and wealthy people will move their assets abroad, to tax havens. That's why I favour high inheritance & wealth taxes, but this would have to be co-ordinated with the whole EU, something which claig & Russian oligarchs wouldn't like much.

Why is income deservedly taxable in your opinion and not wealth? One is something that effects the poorest, and one is something that benefits the richest....

The honest explanation is that Corbyn & McDonnell really did believe that the IRA were a force for good, that Hamas and Hezbollah were forces for social justice, that the Tamil Tigers were great freedom fighters.

They are wise enough to know this is similar to taking political cyanide, that's why they are avoiding questions on it.

'Claig - the law is already clear'

Then why isn't it enforced? Why were BBC stars investing millions in these schemes unless they were legal and why on earth were they legal?

Why is McDonnell saying that he needs a "review" to see if he can get back £20 billion of an estimated £120 billion of corporate taxes that are uncollected?

'Why is income deservedly taxable in your opinion and not wealth?'

Because wealth is earned income and has already been taxed as income as it was accumulated. I am against politicians who have never worked in a real job getting their mitts on people's wealth on which they have already paid income tax in order to spend it on their SPAD politically correct teenage whizzkid fancies. I don't want politicians like Gordon Bennett to take people's wealth off them but taxing earned income is fine.

'One is something that effects the poorest, and one is something that benefits the richest....'

I believe in principle, in fairness. What is fair for one, is fair for the other. Equality means everyone is taxed on income, not on what they have accumulated.

And how do people accumulate wealth, claig?

Is perhaps through avoiding tax for generations and passing it down through clever inheritance schemes to their children?

People employ accountants to find clever loopholes. The schemes were legal in the sense that they weren't specifically outlawed. It's called tax Avoidance. Legal.

And you of all poeple should know that not all wealth is earned fairly.

'And how do people accumulate wealth, claig?

Is perhaps through avoiding tax for generations and passing it down through clever inheritance schemes to their children?'

They accumulate wealth through work and earning income for that work. If they have been avoiding tax throughout that process then that is a failing of the political class, the SPADs and that lot. Passing down whatthey have earned over a lifetime to their children instead of Gordon Bennett is a perfectly sensible and fair thing to do.

'People employ accountants to find clever loopholes. The schemes were legal in the sense that they weren't specifically outlawed. It's called tax Avoidance. Legal.'

Of course it was. But if we have politicians who are not advised by teenagers from Oxbridge, the Piers Gaveston and lobbyists, then I think they should be capable of scrapping loopholes and ending these schemes and retrieveing more earned income. BBC stars will have to pay the same rates of tax (on their publicly funded salaries) that the squeezed middle have to pay.

So it's bad to avoid tax, but not to pass on your ill gotten gains? What a bizarro world you live in!

It's not that easy Claig, accounting is very complicated. The govt. employs people who turn around and walk into private sector jobs - gamekeeper turned poacher. It's a revolving door and very difficult to stop.

'And you of all poeple should know that not all wealth is earned fairly.'

Then that is the fault of the political class and the SPADs who are entrusted by the people to make the laws and enforce them. It is not fair to penalise people who did earn their wealth fairly because some people earned it unfairly.

What if they stole their money from giant state corporations and warehoused it in British banks? Is that OK to pass onto your children too?

I think it's a personal and moral failing to not pay taxes.

'So it's bad to avoid tax, but not to pass on your ill gotten gains? What a bizarro world you live in!'

It is called not executing retrospective justice and unfairly applying it to everyone in a blanket fashion who did earn their wealth fairly just because some teenage whizzkids earned it unfairly.

'It's not that easy Claig, accounting is very complicated. '

I think that is what the Piers Gaveston would say. But Doinald Trump says otherwise. He says he will give zero tax for millions, slash taxes for the middle class and soak Wall Street and the rich. They believe him which is why they are panicking.

'The govt. employs people who turn around and walk into private sector jobs - gamekeeper turned poacher. It's a revolving door and very difficult to stop.'

Yes, there are lots of teenage whizzkids employed getting up to all sorts of tricks, but that doesn't mean that there don't exist politicians who are not in their pocket and who can't stop the merry-go-round of public money wasted by them.

'What if they stole their money from giant state corporations and warehoused it in British banks?'

Are you talking about politicians? If they have stolen money then they have committed crimes and should be prosecuted for it and should pay penalties and have their ill-gotten gains confiscated. But that doesn't give the political class, the SPADs and the people who have never worked in a real job in their lives carte blanche to confiscate the wealth of people who did not steal to accumulate their wealth but were aspirational and worked hard for every penny they earned and who paid tax on that income so that Gordon Bennett could spend it on the Millenium Dome.

Can you explain your new buzzword "teenage whizzkids"?

"Blair's company paid just £315,000 tax on income of more than £12m

When you have already spent half a million pounds on rent, £300,000 on furniture and £2.3m paying your staff, an extra £8m on unexplained “administrative expenses” might seem to be stretching credulity, but that is what Tony Blair has told Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, which as a consequence has received a rather smaller cheque from the former Prime Minister than it might have expected.

Records sent to Companies House reveal a substantial leap in Tony Blair's income in the year ending March 2011, but such a rise has not been passed on to the taxman. One of his many companies and partnerships, Windrush Ventures, declared a turnover of £12m, up from £8.5m the year before. But Mr Blair's accounts claim that just over £1m of this is profit, the rest written off as "administrative expenses", with no further explanation given for some £7.74m of the total."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blairs-company-paid-just-315000-tax-on-income-of-more-than-12m-6287001.html

There are millions of people in this country who work hard and accumulate wealth and good luck to them. I am against the political class, the PPEs, the Oxbridge in-crowd and former Piers Gaveston invitees taking their wealth to spend it on their politically correct follies. I'm with the people, not the elite.