Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

[Myturnnow4]

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

'I find it hilarious that so much is being projected onto Corbyn, when he's actually revealed very few hard policies.'

I don't find it hilarious at all. It shows the despair at how we are being governed and the pent-up hope that someone will finally change things.

'Is he to become the leader of the Population Front of Judea or the Judean Popular Front?'

That is the type of joke Tony Blair will share with the Bullingdon Club, but they won't be laughing for long when Corbyn leads the Labour Party and defeats their shared consensus with ease.

'If Corbyn is thought of as a solution it just shows what dire straits the Labour party is now in. '

This is not about the Labour Party, it is about the country. Tony Blair, Oxford PPE, and the Labour Party represent the Establishment, Tory-lite, the same as Cameron. Corbyn has challenged our entire political system - the Labour-Tory consensus.

'Claig - your reasoning is completely irrational.'

Some people said that when I predicted the success of UKIP and a landslide in Clacton.

claig .... "In Farage and Corbyn we have simply the best and simply the vest."

Being 'simple' and telling people what you think they want to hear, especially with the UK's problems and with no detail how it will be achieved, does not maketh a leader - FYI we give State Funerals to those solving the UK's problems, not causing them.

Parliament can bring in as many simpletons claiming how 'ordinary' they are as they like, but once they get INTO POWER, they have to become 'the establishment' - as the problems are the same whether an MP is a numb-nuts, or an Einstein.

Hoisting snake oil Dr Farage up there with ideologically pure Corbyn is rather amusing though e.g. expenses king Farage just before the General Election stated he believed that every MP should be annually paid a £100k salary, I wonder having failed for the 8th time to join the 'establishment' at Westminster, if the grande flip flop feels the same?

P.S. I don't practically agree with ONE of his policies, but one ideological Corbyn would be worth five Farages in Isit currency.

'especially with the UK's problems and with no detail how it will be achieved'

It is this paucity of vision, this message of despair that Labour Party members have rejected by abandoning the Establishment sponsored Labour leadership candidates. George Monbiot put it brilliantly

"Rebuilding a political movement means espousing what is desirable, then finding ways to make it feasible. The hopeless realists propose the opposite. They assemble a threadbare list of policies they consider feasible, then seek to persuade us that this package is desirable."

The "hopeless realists", the spinners and servants, have been discredited, no one believes in them any more.

We are Great Britain, we are the people, we are not spinners and servants. Can we solve things? Jez we can.

It is all about optimism and hope and confidence, just like in the stock market and economic recoveries. Sentiment and hope swings the market. When confidence returns, people invest and growth resumes.

The dark night has ended, the doom and gloom is no longer believed by anybody apart from the metropolitan elite, the people have hope once again. Jez we can!

'Parliament can bring in as many simpletons claiming how 'ordinary' they are as they like'

What has Andy Burnham got to do with this?

"I remember this fervour over ukip"

Domestic policy lite, unsavoury overseas political relationships, yet unrealistic supporter fervour - that does not stand up to external scrutiny come General Election times - yes we have seen it before.

”Of course Ukip won't condemn its racist new partners, because Ukip is the cult of Nigel Farage”

“Ukip has allied itself with racists and Holocaust deniers - but as long as that's OK with Nigel Farage, the cult leader, don't expect a peep of condemnation from within the party”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11179456/Of-course-Ukip-wont-condemn-its-racist-new-partners-because-Ukip-is-the-cult-of-Nigel-Farage.html

'I hope other ukip voters can find what they were looking for in politics with jez as alot of my school friends voted ukip. '

It is very simple. Jez offers homes, jobs, better services, public investment and a better future for the people. The Establishment can't beat that, they have nothing to match it and that is why they can only call Corbyn names, just as they called Farage names before him.

What has returned is hope, and ordinary people are not listening to the doom and gloom and despair of the metropolitan elite whether espoused by Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Neil Kinnock or anyone else the public feels is not on their side.

Jez is on the side of the people and that is what the Estabishment dislike.

I think the point is, he's not a potential Prime Minster, but a leader of the Labour party who'll help it get to a point where it's not just trying to be "Tory-lite" but offer a clear alternative to the Conservatives.

As the next election isn't until 2020, and it's unlikely Labour will win that no matter what, then rather than focusing on "what Labour would do" it might be better to focus on "why Labour will pick the policies they will do".

DinosaursRoar, I think Jez will surprise everyone. He has already surprised the Labour grandees and the Blairites. They never saw this coming in their worst nightmares.

It is a rollercoaster and it will flatten the Tories next.

Remember that most voters don't know who Corbyn is yet. In a mugshot line up of Brown, Blair and Kinnock, they wouldn't be able to pick out Corbyn.

When they finally get to hear what he is offering, it will be a landslide which is why the Labour grandees are in overdrive to stop Corbyn. Remember what Blair said

“Let me make my position clear: I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.”

That is what the Establishment say too.

claig ... "Jez offers homes, jobs, better services, public investment and a better future for the people."

Yes but HOW, the man is not inventing the social/economic wheel for feck sake, what will be different to the last Labour government he was an MP in for 13-years, where is the detail and how much will it cost on top of our £1.6 tril of national debt now?

Clearly having followed Farage for years, achievable policies do not matter to you, but the devil is in the detail and will be under scrutiny, not just at General Election times.

I could be an MP and say I will cure world hunger, that does not make it so.

'Yes but HOW, the man is not inventing the social/economic wheel for feck sake, what will be different to the last Labour government he was an MP in for 13-years, where is the detail and how much will it cost on top of our £1.6 tril of national debt now?'

By taxing banks, coprporations and the metropolitan elite who will face swingeing cuts to their taxpayer funded lifestyles and their charidee tax breaks, I presume. Jez we can!

'achievable policies do not matter to you, but the devil is in the detail and will be under scrutiny'

I believe aything is achievable. i am not a 'hopeless realist', a spinner or a servant. I believe that where there is a will there is way. Jez we can!

As George Monbiot so brilliantly put it

"Rebuilding a political movement means espousing what is desirable, then finding ways to make it feasible. The hopeless realists propose the opposite. They assemble a threadbare list of policies they consider feasible, then seek to persuade us that this package is desirable."

'I could be an MP and say I will cure world hunger, that does not make it so.'

Precisely, because you support the spinners and their mindset and therefore find it hard for people to believe in what you say, just as they do. The public have had enough of the old Establishment ways. They think more is possible. Jez we can!

"They assemble a threadbare list of policies they consider feasible, then seek to persuade us that this package is desirable."

The Tory manifesto scraped through last time because the alternative was the same - Tory-lite. But next time it is the "threadbare list of policies" against the high expectations of the people. Jez we can!

claig .... in other words no idea HOW other that regurgitate nearly 50-years of socialist ideology/mantras with no cares or research that we are already taxing the banks too much and will affect lending/investment/jobs (see Nationwide link below) - Corporations are needed to pay our annual bills grow the economy out of the financial mess we are in - and the mobile wealthy are already paying more taxes, with signs e.g. London property, some are already moving out.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33971164

Claig to you Cameron having a windmill contraption on his chimney stack means more than anything else when talking about energy problems, but the world, never mind the UK don't FUNCTION like that, people have to 'get real'.

"The Tory manifesto scraped through last time because the alternative was the same"

Claig ... that is total rubbish, LOOK at the last Labour manifesto, it was Corbyn lite, the only 'Conservative policy' was the need to address the annual budget deficit/overspend by balancing our books, which they alluded to, but in reality in 2020 the UK would still have been borrowing for 'investment'.

Surely the definition of a cult, is that people caught up in it, see what they want to see - and you are a serial offender of that on here.

Remember that most voters don't know who Corbyn is yet

Doubt that, unless they don't watch the news, listen to the radio, look at papers, not on social media etc

Claig to you Cameron having a windmill contraption on his chimney stack means more than anything else when talking about energy problems, but the world, never mind the UK don't FUNCTION like that, people have to 'get real'.'

If only Cameron would get 'real' and I think he did when he allegedly said "we've gotta cut the green crap" and stopped hugging hoodies and huskies. And I don't hear much about his rooftop wind turbine any more. Has he still got it?

To me, the rooftop wind turbine and being "mesmerised" by Camilla from Kids Company are significant because I want a leader who is on the ball e.g Farage or Corbyn, not someone who hasn't got a clue and is a "mesmerised" metropolitan.

'LOOK at the last Labour manifesto, it was Corbyn lite'

Please do not besmirch Corbyn's name by associating him in any way whatsoever to that Tory-lite Labour manifesto drawn up by a bunch of teenage think tank whizzkids from Oxbridge who worked as interns on less than minimum wage as they climbed their way up the Labour career leader.

"career ladder" not leader

Claig .... I rest my case, the UK had massive problems of overspending, debt, unemployment etc with loads of smaller ones but equally important in the big scheme of things - as few ministries were 'fit for purpose' - which he HAS addressed.

Yet look at your puerile list of 6- years of a Conservative administration, with your obligatory, meaningless, class warrior 'labels'.

For those looking at the state of the State and their futures, they won't care a cows fanny about YOUR list when voting.

Political revolution will be for those countries NEEDING a change from the CURRENT direction, not having made the change and most, but not all, things look a bit better than they did in 2010.

'Doubt that, unless they don't watch the news, listen to the radio, look at papers, not on social media etc'

"So it turns out that a lot of people on Tinder don’t know who Jeremy Corbyn is or don’t care. I encountered this opinion on the whole more frequently than anything else, which I suppose isn’t surprising when you consider that 33.9 per cent of the electorate didn’t even vote in the general election"

www.newstatesman.com/2015/08/i-took-tinder-convince-people-vote-jeremy-corbyn-heres-what-i-learned

Most people have given up wathing the news in case they are met with an image of Cameron being "mesmerised" by some charidee or other or in case he is hugging a hoodie or extolling the virtues of the rooftop wind turbine. People don't want to watch nonsense, and I don't blame them.

It takes a strong stomach to watch that kind of tomfoolery and most people say "I'm outta here, call me when Corbyn or Farage is on", which is a perfectly sensible reaction.

'For those looking at the state of the State and their futures, they won't care a cows fanny about YOUR list when voting.'

4 million UKIP voters voted for similar reasons to me. Why vote for a plonker, when you can vote for Farage.

If you now add homes, jobs, public investment, NHS, scrapping GM food and fracking, no more illegal wars, end of TTIP and nationalisation to the list, then Corbyn will win hands down.

Corbyn will simply have to say "we do not do personal abuse and we do not do austerity" whle they are busy calling him every name under the sun and slashing and cutting every public service they can get their hands on.

Will people vote Labour. Jez they will.

"4 million UKIP voters voted for similar reasons to me. Why vote for a plonker, when you can vote for Farage."

And Farage was the 'real deal' as;

• UKIP's 1,2 5,10 (whatever) MPs to Westminster COULD bring the UK out of the EU he promised, without a 326 MP majority?

• UKIP in 25-years never had a single UK domestic policy they stood for, past the burka?

Only you have a real record, a record of supporting policy light lemons who TALK a lot, with no record at all in government, running something other than self promotion, with promises they KNOW they can't keep - looking for lemon suckers to believe they are 'different', when there is absolutely nothing different about either, especially one who's policies MADE the UK the 'sick man of Europe' back in the 1970's..

oh... and any prick of a politican who calls cutting a £153 billion annual government overspend his own party left "austerity", shouldn't be worth the time of day, never mind a confidence vote for P.M. running this countries finances.

The Labour election is starting to get surreal now.

It seems that good decent people are receiving letters saying they can't vote in the leadership election because they don't share "the aims and values" of the PPEs, the Tory-lites and the Blairites.

Channel 4 News just had a decent human being on, one of the people, who was told that she didn't share the aims and values of the Labour Party, and a member of the Labour Party was in the studio - a cyborg-like evil looking nasty seeming piece of work who was an adviser to Blair and whose modus operandum seemed to be to have a pop (without a hint of shame) at Labour's most popular true socialist of the past couple of decades.

They call the Tories the nasty party and UKIP the people's party, but from what I can see, the Labour party seems to be run by a hierarchy of nasty people.

Every hour the news gets worse for the elite. Russell Brand has now released his thoughts in a Trews video. He dissects the issues point by point and includes observations on Blair, the Establishment etc Brand ends with the pertinent question, can party politics ever enact the will of the people?

"The comedian today endorsed Jeremy Corbyn, calling the left-wing MP the voice of ‘the ordinary people’ in his latest YouTube video.
...
But it seems to me that Jeremy Corbyn is being attacked by the media and by the establishment simple because he’s talking on behalf of ordinary people,’

metro.co.uk/2015/08/20/back-for-more-russell-brand-is-now-endorsing-jeremy-corbyn-for-the-labour-leadership-5353068/

It's getting to the stage where the only people deemed to share "the aims and values" of the Labour Party seem to be Blair, Rupert Murdoch, the Bullingdon Club, assorted charidees, some party cyborgs and the entire Progress think tank.

Well the Russell Brand thing went so well last time didn't it. I'm sure his latest endorcement isn't at all timed to give him extra publicity as he says he is giving up Trews