Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

[Myturnnow4]

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

Oh, the Metropolitan elite - those London, Islington types? The politicians who have never done a proper job apart from being an MP for 32 years for sitting in that ivory tower they call Westminster?

Or do you mean the Metropolitan elite who went to private schools, work in the city and fly private planes? Who scrounge millions in expenses from the EU then put themselves forward up for - oh no, not again - election as an MP?

Then again, they're not those awful comprehensive school upstart northern types who are also standing as leader of the Labour Party.

straggle, the whole lot who serve the Establishment

Corbyn is not one of them, that is why there is a frantic Operation Stop Corbyn where everyone who has benefiitted from their support, promotion and patronage now has to repay what they owe and go on TV and try their best to stop Corbyn and stop the people.

LumpySpacedPrincess …. That’s a bad cough you have there, I’d get it sorted, but I’d humbly suggest it is a tad different between the allegations of abuse by a serial accuser against Clarke, and the allegation of an MP’s wife against Prescott, who had an affair with someone in his office waving his ‘chipolata’ manhood (I believe was her comparison) – with an M.O. of wanting to know whats up a woman’s dress.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/30/actor-kenneth-clarke-sexual-assault-perverting-course-of-justice

”Fellows had also claimed he had been abused by a number of people in the entertainment industry, including a senior female executive at the BBC who, he claimed, seduced him when he was aged between 14 and 16.”

”Speaking after the verdict, a spokeswoman for Clarke said: “The police always made it clear that they regarded Mr Clarke as a victim and a witness in this case. Since receiving the verdict, they have assured Mr Clarke that they regard this matter as closed, and Mr Clarke takes the same view.”

The secret diary of Tracey Temple, aged 43¾
www.theguardian.com/media/2006/may/02/pressandpublishing4

”Then, on Wednesday 18 2002, pretty much with no warning, the diary morphs from The Office into some kind of 70s soft porn film, and it's rather easier to see what Prescott might take issue with. Temple dresses up for an office party in a black dress ("low, button up the back") and ... "as soon as the boss arrived he lifted my dress jokingly to see my stockings".”

Surely so long after Thatcher and the current success of Ms May holding down a difficult Home Office brief (at a very difficult time) for so long by a woman on the blue team, it is time for the red team to 'woman up'?

Of the two, not that anyone cares, but the only one I'd ever vote for as somewhere close to the real world and has learned from Labour's mistakes, is Liz Kendall.

'Then again, they're not those awful comprehensive school upstart northern types who are also standing as leader of the Labour Party.'

I am not sure who you are referring to there. But one thing is for sure, Corbyn wouldn't have signed off a letter to Prince Charles in the way that servant, northerner Andy Burnham, did

"I have the honour to remain Your Royal Highness' most humble and obedient servant"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11652885/Andy-Burnham-attracts-ridicule-over-his-fawning-sign-off-to-Prince-Charles-letter.html

The Establishment approved Labour leadership candidates say that Corbyn wants to take us back to the 1980s, but that has got to be better than servant Burnhams' 1480s, surely?

Nah, Corbyn with his Hamas and Hezbollah hat on, would have probably bombed Charlie.

Corbyn is a Marxist prairie hat, more comfortable with South American dictators and Middle East terrorists, than he would be with the English royal family/establishment, it hardly makes him a leader of the UK. Idiot.

sorry that should have been
"humble and obedient servant Burnhams' 1480s"

"Oh, the Metropolitan elite - those London, Islington types? The politicians who have never done a proper job apart from being an MP for 32 years for sitting in that ivory tower they call Westminster?"

If you are referring to Comrade Corbyn, he worked as a union official and served the people as their representative in Parliament. That is a proper job as long as it is representing the people and not the Establishment.

'Or do you mean the Metropolitan elite who went to private schools, work in the city and fly private planes? Who scrounge millions in expenses from the EU then put themselves forward up for - oh no, not again - election as an MP?'

I didn't know that Farage flies private planes. He takes the same expenses that the Establishment approved MEPs are granted and steadfastly serves the people by advocating exit from the Establishment approved club. That is not metropolitan elite, that is People's Champion.

Farage as an ex City Broker trading/speculating in commodity prices like oil and no doubt was on an annual six figure remuneration package, so hardly qualifies as a real job and 'a man of the people'.

As for Corbyn's 'service of the the people' here is a first hand account;

“I’ve lived under Jeremy Corbyn’s rule – it turned me into a Tory”

”When put into practice in the Seventies, the views of this loony Left-winger resulted in class hatred and Soviet-style stagnation”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11762773/Ive-lived-under-Jeremy-Corbyns-rule-it-turned-me-into-a-Tory.html

”Reader, I have lived in Corbyn World and I am here to tell you what it was like. It was in the London borough of Haringey, where my husband and I lived in the Seventies, in which Mr Corbyn made his first notable appearance on the public stage. As well as being a major force on Haringey council and in the Hornsey Labour Party, he had a day job as a full-time official of the National Union of Public Employees (now part of Unison) which involved him in employment negotiations with local councils. This dual role was not seen, oddly enough, as a conflict of interest.”

Concluding;

”This story has everything you need to know about life as it was under Corbyn Labour – class hatred, the indulgence of unionised labour, and the Soviet-style handing out of favours to party loyalists on the council payrolls. Mr Corbyn often says that his political principles have not changed. Take that as a threat.”

"People's Champion."

Whose, Putin's people?

“I’ve lived under Jeremy Corbyn’s rule – it turned me into a Tory” *

I'm sure you were a neotard before it was even invented, but Corbyn is one of the few Labour MPs to increase his majority, thus baring the lie that he is unelectable. The young and the ordinary will vote for his policies as they (his policies) represent them.

*I know that article is only a representation and not about you, my favourite neotard financial illiterate Ponzi advocate.

"The young and the ordinary will vote for his policies as they" - don't know any better.

As I challenge some of his policies on the previous page, they mainly assume that the private sector will both accept what he throws at them and will create more employment, but the opposite is true.

Moreover a Corbynasuarus with the constant threat 1970's policies will immediately cause the private sector to contract, creating less growth he goes on about, and the government/public sector far from being able to take up the the financial and employment slack - will have to face trying to pay up for current services, and pay down deficits/national debt - with LESS tax receipts.

A Greek economic salad in the making.

What worries me is that the young and ordinary just don't vote at all. The group with whom Corbyn is winning favour will disappear come polling day, leaving the grey Tory vote to win out.

Galloway on his Russia Today programme just now. He says he thinks Corbyn will win such a big victory that it will be unchallengeable as being due to Trotskyist or Daily Telegraph Tory entrism. He says a Corbyn Labour party would make the SNP be the Yellow Tories instead of Labour in Scotland being the Red Tories and that COrbyn would save the Union.

His theory about Blair et al is that the fact that Blair, Campbell and all the rest have spoken in such apolcalyptic terms about Corbyn is that Blair is possibly planning a Limehouse Declaration type moment where the Blairites will form their own centrist party and split from Labour. I can't see that myself, but Galloway does know a thing or two about Labour politics.

Lots of the Establishment's favourites in Labour have said that they will not serve in a Cabinet under Corbyn, so unless they are successful in doing a coup against him, they will be out of power and off our TV screens (which would be a blessing for the people) for a very long time indeed. Some of them will probably be miffed at that because they expected their Oxbridge background to open all the doors to them, but the Establishment won't be able to deliver with Corbyn in charge.

The Guardian is not backing Corbyn now. What on earth will they do when Corbyn wins and wins an electoral landslide too? Will they come out and back Cameron and the Tories and the metropolitan elite against a real socialist Labour party?

Will it be the entire "left" and right wing media, the entire metropolitan elite, and every servant with delusions of grnadeur versus Corbyn and the people?

Corbyn is one of the few Labour MPs to increase his majority

Means nothing in terms of wider electoral support. He's been the MP for 32 years and turns up for school fetes - even Alastair Campbell called him a good local MP. It's not because of his particular views as opposed to general Labour representation, either.

Steve Reed in Croydon also increased his majority, despite having a TUSC candidate stand against him (who subsequently tried to sign up as a Labour supporter), UKIP, Green and Communist. He polled 33,500 votes (more than JC, similar majority). The TUSC candidate got 261 votes. Pretty popular, huh?

'even Alastair Campbell called him [Corbyn] a good local MP'

Are you trying to ruin Corbyn's chances of winning? Talk about the kiss of death.

You think endorsement by George Galloway and Douglas Carswell enhances his credibility, do you?

I think endorsement by Douglas Carswell would harm anyone's credibility. Has he endorsed Corbyn? Have you got a link?

Galloway is probably still popular among the hard left, I don't know. I think Galloway is a phoney and I don't like him, but I'm not hard left.

"Can you ever remember a political party leadership contest being so talked about, getting so much coverage or being so much fun? I can’t.
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And it’s all because of one man, Jeremy Corbyn , he who dares to stand for what Labour used to – socialism.
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exposed a ­horrible dishonesty where the power-mad Blairites to the right are seeing their careers and their money-making ­opportunities go right up the Swannee. Because if Jezza nails it, they won’t get anywhere near the shadow Cabinet, let alone the Government front benches.
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But since he and his partner in crime Alastair Campbell have both come out declaring doomsday if Corbyn wins, membership has soared in order to ­ensure he DOES.

When will they get it? Real Labour ­voters loathe New Labour because Tony Blair’s reign had absolutely nothing to do with ­socialism – except of the ­champagne sort – and ­everything to do with power, money (for them) and the creation of a large number of welfare-dependent voters who, they thought, would keep them in power in perpetuity.

They want Jeremy because he believes in what he says and he’d be a leader the Labour party hasn’t seen for decades – a true and honest socialist, exactly what they should be all about."

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-brings-much-needed-6258352

This ain't how it was meant to be. It was meant to be about Oxbridge. The metroplitan elite had it all planned, all stitched up, their favourites in charge of all the levers, business as usual. But no one likes their favourites, they like the 66 year old grey-haired left wing rebel who never changed and never sold his soul to the metropolitan elite.

The Mirror has backed Andy Burnham first with Yvette Cooper second

Douglas Carswell just said 'yay!' at the news Corbyn was in the lead.

Thanks, I saw that Douglas Carswell article before, which just shows how out of touch he is and that he doesn't get it. He thinks Corbyn's rise is good for UKIP, but it isn't, it will make UKIP irrelevant and if he goes as far as saying 'No' to the EU, then UKIP will be all over and labour will take most of their 4 million votes and Labour will take over the mantle of the anti-establishment, anti metropolitan elite party.

It will be Blair, the Guardian, the BBC and the Tories versus Labour and the people.