Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

[Myturnnow4]

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

I never thought the whole country would vote UKIP with all the media and the Establishment against them and without a track record of a single MP apart from a ex-Tory twit who talks aout e-democracy and spottifying politics. But 4 million voters is a lot and is just the start of the revolt against the metropolitan elite. Now it is Labour that will take over and they will succeed where UKIP failed.

'And that's your biggest mistake claig 'the people' categorically are not all the same '

When I say 'the people', I mean as an aggregate, on average. Obviously not all of them are the same, some are metropolitan elite and they are definitely not the same.

This 'metropolitan elite' also have the vote. I disagree with you that there is some homogeneous mass of 'average people' who all think the same.

'This 'metropolitan elite' also have the vote'

Yes, but with Labour's new democratic electoral leadership system, the Labour MPs no longer have 30% of the vote. Now one Oxbridge MP, and coup plotter against Corbyn, has the same vote as one of the people from Lambeth.

'I disagree with you that there is some homogeneous mass of 'average people' who all think the same.'

On the whole an election is won by a party that manages to reach out to the shared wishes of the majority. Those shared wishes are common to the majority.

Corbyn has now released his ten point plan. The only one I disagree with is "Action on Climate Change", but the rest of it overrides that piece of political correctness.

"The "Standing to Deliver"policies include:

Growth not austerity – with a national investment bank to help create tomorrow's jobs and reduce the deficit fairly. Fair taxes for all.
A lower welfare bill through investment and growth
Action on climate change
Public ownership of railways and in the energy sector
Decent homes for all in public and private sectors by 2025 through a big house-building programme and controlling rents.
A foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance.
Fully-funded NHS, integrated with social care, with an end to privatisation in health.
Protection at work including an end to zero hours contracts
Equality for all
A life-long national education service for decent skills and opportunities, universal childcare, the abolition of student fees, restoring grants, and funding adult skills training."

www.itv.com/news/2015-08-14/jeremy-corbyn-promises-new-kind-of-politics-as-he-unveils-10-point-policy-plan/

Rock on Corbyn.
(I'm all for the action on climate change)
Rent controls we're screaming out for.
Protection at work -fantastic.Yes,some of us have noticed the changes to employment protection snuck in over the last few years.
Whats not to like?

Ah, Corbynomics.

Do we all get a free unicorn as well? I'd vote for that

A foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance

What exactly does that mean.

Oh does it mean he'lloyd be making more 'friends'

"A foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance

What exactly does that mean."

No illegal wars and aid instead of regime change and war.

*he'll

I can't believe I'm actually dreaming about the Labour leadership elections

that's twice this week. I woke up this morning muttering 'but what about SCOTLAND'

what indeed. I haven't even changed my address to get the ballot slips

so. So far we've had Blair, Campbell. We're going to have Brown telling us all off at the weekend. I wonder if they'll get desperate enough to wheel Mandelson out?

Surely Mandelson would be about 100 steps too far Muddha

The great thing is that Miliband has held out and has not joined in. John Rentoul said Blair had no choice but to join in as an ex leader and Brown was late in joining in, but the surprise is that Miliband has not joined in yet. Respect to Miliband for respecting Labour Party members but they may yet pressure him to join in too.

The key word there is yet.

I'm certain he will attract some point.

It isn'the just Labour party members that are voting though. Green party members have confirmed they have joined as affiliates but are still green party members.

That goes completely against the rules.

Phone keeps adding in strange words, sorry

What I see from my stand is quite simple. I voted Green because I had no faith in a centre ground Labour government. But I like what I see in Corbyn, that is a real person, not a groomed and spun puppet.

Trouble is all these ex leaders and Labour grandees telling the labour members who not to vote for is coming across as parents telling their rebellious teenage children not to do something, comes across as rather desperate and patronising. It doesn't give a good impression of the Labour Party as a whole.

Corbyn was an anti apartheid activist when it was deemed pretty subersive to be such.
He stands up for what he thinks is right and has some bollocks.
He had also put in one of the lowest expenses claims when the expenses scandal was investigated.
He is a good man not a wannabe celeb.

Emotionsecho, it was the same with Farage, every time he was dissed, his popularity grew.

I do not think the British public like to be told who to vote for

IMO Corbyn is not splitting the party, he is bringing it back to life (he is Labour's defibrillator). He showing everyone else up for the fools they are. He doesn't badmouth them. He doesn't have to. You gotta respect that! I do, anyway.

If Mandelson and Milkband start telling everyone to NOT vote Corbyn, he will get even more votes.

Maybe we are all being played, actually

Because they think people won't like him. But their judgement isn't very good is it. They're the ones who thought people would vote for Miliband when everyone else knew he hadn't a chance. At least Jeremy Corbyn is getting away from the champagne socialist London elite types. I might even vote Labour if he gets elected leader.

I was just wondering (praps naively) if Ed has a tiny bit of sympathy with Corbyn's position

He always appeared a bit hobbled to me-like he wanted to say other stuff but had been told by spads and focus groups not to

But I might just have thought that because I fancied him BEFORE IT WAS FASHIONABLE

According to C4 news, polls predict he will get 57% of the votes. Watch this space...

The truth starts to emerge

"Jeremy Corbyn is most popular among voters from all parties, poll suggests

Labour leadership candidate is as popular with Ukip voters as Labour voters, Survation finds, and is top in London, according to separate poll

Jeremy Corbyn is more popular than the other Labour leadership candidates with the wider electorate and fares particularly well with Ukip supporters as well as those from his own party, a Survation poll suggests.

The survey of 1,000 people found that Corbyn scored the highest when they were asked about his personal qualities and which candidate would be the best at holding the government to account as the leader of the opposition.

Among Ukip voters, 39% of them liked him the most, higher than the 38% of Labour voters who said so. But just 22% of Conservatives liked Corbyn, compared with 25% who preferred Andy Burnham."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/14/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-most-popular-candidate-voters-all-parties