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Ukip in crisis: Nigel Farage could resign again

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claig · 14/05/2015 14:05

Oh my God, what are they doing to the people's party?

They've done us up like a kipper for the second time in less than a week.
There's 4 million votes on the line and they are playing us like a fiddle, having a right laugh.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11605216/Ukip-in-crisis-live.html

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TheoriginalLEM · 14/05/2015 15:54

ukip are going to crawl back under their rocks thankfully. vile

TheoriginalLEM · 14/05/2015 15:54

slug Grin

claig · 14/05/2015 15:55

'Metropolitan elite?? In Thanet???'

The voters aren't, but the teenage advisers will be sent down there like a shot if it threatens the status quo.

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TheoriginalLEM · 14/05/2015 15:55

whoever said tgat obviously has never been to thanet!

Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 15:59

Claig .... and thats how UKIP planed it right?

Farage is a chancer, with no more of an ethical backbone than those pathetic lilly livered Conservative back benchers telling Cameron he had to do a deal with UKIP - the electoral cards fell in a way no one predicted, so no victory laps on the way they fell for bit part players, the winner takes all.

“(Nov 2014) Nigel Farage:UKIP could do deal with Labour”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30029004

"UKIP could support a minority Labour government after the next general election, Nigel Farage has said."

“Asked by the New Statesman if he could back Ed Miliband as prime minister, he said: "I'd do a deal with the Devil if he got me what I wanted."

claig · 14/05/2015 16:01

'and thats how UKIP planed it right?'

UKIP is a collection of people. It doesn't have a brain. Some of those people will be Establishment, not UKIP through and through.

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claig · 14/05/2015 16:05

' the winner takes all.'

Yes, Lynton Crosby was the winner. Cameron 'taking a risk, having a punt, having a go' pulled it off, but ironically UKIP delivered some seats up for him by taking Labour votes in Labour's heartland.

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claig · 14/05/2015 16:07

"Labour figures have admitted they underestimated the threat from Ukip, after it emerged that Nigel Farage’s party may have deprived Labour of victory in many seats in last week’s election"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-figures-admit-underestimating-ukip-threat-cost-them-seats-in-the-general-election-10245479.html

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Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 16:12

Claig .... what was the ratio of Conservative votes to every one Labour vote UKIP takes - it used to be nearly 3 to 1 - so swings and roundabouts elsewhere?

What if the Lib Dems vote hadn't dropped over 20% in many seats?

What if Labour voters had come out?

If, if, if if.......

If my grandfather had boobs, he'd be my grandmother.

Pispcina · 14/05/2015 16:12

You're alright Lemmy, you're a bit further away than us. Just discovered we're classed as 'Thanet North' FFS, we're not even under Thanet council!

Oh the shame.

claig · 14/05/2015 16:15

"Vote Tory where we can't win, says Farage: Ukip leader calls on backers to 'use their votes as wisely as they can'

He said he wanted to see Tories end up as largest party in the Commons
Mr Farage said the ‘stakes are very high’ in HIS South Thanet constituency
PM last week urged Ukip supporters to ‘come home’ to Conservatives"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3036241/Vote-Tory-t-win-says-Farage-Ukip-leader-calls-backers-use-votes-wisely-can.html

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Isitmebut · 14/05/2015 16:29

Claig .... "He said he wanted to see Tories end up as largest party in the Commons"

Would that have been before he saw a majority Labour Party had the SNP in their pocket (or the other way around) so didn't need his UKIP seats (or 'seat' as it turned out) in a deal with the devil?

Farage had several permutations/demands in the months leading up to the election, depending on which way the wind was blowing at the time.

UKIP voters were reading the runes and no doubt made their own minds up based on the two main party Labour or Conservative alternative.

Those who wanted an EU Referendum and for some reason had thought UKIP could ever deliver one, no contest.

Those who would never come back to same sex marriage, feck em

claig · 14/05/2015 16:31

'feck em'

Can we try and treat UKIP voters with some respect please?

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claig · 14/05/2015 17:19

OK I think I have understood the game. The Establishment want Farage out and they don't want him on TV wiping the floor with Clegg, Cameron and all the rest during the run up to the EU Referendum debates. Stuart Wheeler said he thinks UKIP need someone with a softer approach.

If they get rid of Farage and put Carswelll or O'Flynn up against Clegg and Cameron, then UKIP will lose and the Establishment will win the Referendum.

It is existential, teenager advisers hope Farage will be toppled and the media are giving it full publicity to put the pressure on.

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claig · 14/05/2015 17:23

Today we have had this

"Moment BBC's Assistant Political Editor flounders after accidentally calling Nigel Farage a c* during live broadcast as he discusses Ukip's in-fighting

Norman Smith accidentally said there's a 'personality c*' at head of Ukip"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3081492/Moment-BBC-s-deputy-political-editor-flounders-accidentally-calling-Nigel-Farage-c-live-broadcast-discusses-Ukip-s-fighting.html

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fascicle · 14/05/2015 18:29

claig
If Carswell became an independent, I think he would lose the seat next time to UKIP. He may appeal to Martin Bell and the metropolitan elite, but I don't think he could appeal to the people of Clacton over UKIP.

So even though Carswell won the only UKIP seat, and even though he'd won the same Clacton seat in 2010 as a Tory, you think the Clacton vote was nothing to do with Carswell and everything to do with UKIP? In terms of the Clacton electorate, what does UKIP represent, that Carswell wouldn't, if he stood as an independent? How did Carswell/UKIP win the seat if Carswell's appeal is actually to the 'metropolitan elite'?

And has Norman Smith been taking lessons from John Inverdale?

claig · 14/05/2015 18:38

I think Carswell's victory was much more down to the fact that he represented UKIP than being about Carswell. UKIP is about common sense and Carswell isn't. He is an idealist with his head in the clouds about edemocracy etc. and he doesn't have the personality to appeal to large numbers of ordinary people.

'How did Carswell/UKIP win the seat if Carswell's appeal is actually to the 'metropolitan elite'?'

Because the voters there are generally right of centre working class people. But they prefer UKIP to the Conservatives in general because UKIP s more for ordinary people.

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claig · 14/05/2015 18:40

I think Patrick O'Flynn is extremely arrogant to go to the press and criticise Farage like he did. I think he will lose the vote of UKIP voters over time now.

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Viviennemary · 14/05/2015 18:41

It's all very strange. Something's going on that's for sure. Sabotage. Not impossible. Nigel Farage is supposed to be on Question Time tonight. My bet is he'll withdraw. The knives are out for him. No question about that.

TheoriginalLEM · 14/05/2015 18:46

I can;t say i feel sorry for him - my DD called him a prick. Go DD, mature!!!! Grin She lives in Thanet (poor cahhh)

claig · 14/05/2015 18:49

'My bet is he'll withdraw'

I hope he turns up and comes out fighting. Without Farage, UKIP is finished.

Notice that the media have only been showing us millionaire Stuart Wheeler who wants Farage to go They haven't put millionaire Arron Banks on TV who supports Farage.

Arron Banks is very good and spot on. He is common sense, UKIP. We want people who are UKIP through and through, not politically correct ex-Tories.

"Exclusive: Ukip donor Arron Banks calls for Douglas Carswell, Suzanne Evans and Patrick O’Flynn to leave the party
...
Banks has called on Douglas Carswell, Suzanne Evans and Patrick O’Flynn, the three main figures who do not want Farage to remain as leader, to be thrown out of the party.

“Everyone who's been involved with it should go,” Banks tells the New Statesman. “It's not very edifying and I don't believe these people should have our support. There's a proper way to do things and we don't do things this way.”

Banks is particularly furious at Suzanne Evans, the author of Ukip’s manifesto who Farage had recommended to be interim leader over the summer and many had assumed would eventually succeed Farage.

“It reflects very poorly on her - this is not the way to do things. Particularly with the party membership, all of this will be frowned upon,” he said. “It's very disappointing – I think yet again maybe someone has got a little bit above themselves. It's a party isn't it and they can't just take over. No one's disputing there's probably some change needed after the election but this is not the way to do it. They should all go on holiday.”

Banks also attacked Douglas Carswell, who he described as viewing himself as “God’s appointed representative” of the campaign to leave the EU and “probably doesn't relish the idea of Nigel being there as well.

.”Carswell’s opposition to accepting the full £650,000 of Short Money that Ukip are entitled to after the general election incited fury among many in the party who believed that the party needed the money to represent the four million who voted for Ukip last week.

“He's shown his intention that he's prepared to do that type of thing and for that reason I'd rather have no MPs than one whose interests don't like with Ukip,” Banks said. “No one is bigger than the party and the kind of shenanigans that are going on don't give me any confidence.”

O’Flynn – “a jumped up little bloke who think he's going to be the next party leader” - didn’t escape Banks’ wrath either. “The thought that Patrick O'Flynn could take over from Nigel Farage is just ridiculous,” he said, likening seeing him on TV to “watching paint dry”.

“Patrick would be well-advised to sit on Nigel's knee and learn,”he continued. “When you've got a ten out of ten, someone like Patrick O'Flynn is probably a five out of ten - it shows him up.”

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/exclusive-ukip-donor-arron-banks-calls-douglas-carswell-suzanne-evans-and-patrick-o

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Viviennemary · 14/05/2015 18:58

But why should he throw himself on the mercy of what will almost certainly be a hand picked anti UKIP audience. Jeering at him. I agree the establishment want him out. No longer a fringe party but a party a lot of people voted for. Nearly 4 million. Personally I think he should not have withdrew his resignation but took the summer to think about it and come back for re-election. Don't know who advised him otherwise.

claig · 14/05/2015 19:03

'But why should he throw himself on the mercy of what will almost certainly be a hand picked anti UKIP audience'

They are always like that and will always be like that because the Establishment has to try and stop UKIP. UKIP will never get an easy time of it and the media would walk all over Carswell, Suzanne Evans or O'Flynn. Only Farage, Diane James and Paul Nuttall have the courage to face them down.

'I think he should not have withdrew his resignation but took the summer to think about it and come back for re-election. Don't know who advised him otherwise.'

I think the serious millionaires who have backed UKIP want no one but Farage. They have put millions into UKIP and they don't want to see their money go down the drain e.g Arron Banks.

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claig · 14/05/2015 19:07

Richard Desmond says he supports Farage 101%. Fantastic, he has given £1 million to UKIP.

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fascicle · 14/05/2015 19:36

claig
he doesn't have the personality to appeal to large numbers of ordinary people.

So you're unaware of his election track record, then?

But they prefer UKIP to the Conservatives in general because UKIP s more for ordinary people.

On what basis can you exclude the successful candidate from the successful result? Especially given Carswell's record in that constituency.

Re: Carswell's rejection of the full 'short money' allowance - I'm sure 'ordinary people' would approve of his refusal to waste public funds unnecessarily. It would be somewhat 'metropolitan elite' to grab it all.

Banks said. “No one is bigger than the party..."

When it comes to UKIP, that's not really true, is it?