Congratulations to Tory and SNP voters

[claig]

Brilliant result for SNP voters. Amazing. Most significant change in British electoral history ever. Truly historic.

Very good results for Conservative voters.

'I'm still waiting for that People's Army you confidently predicted would sweep the "establishment" out of Westminster'

slug, it's on hold. They've done us up like a kipper. They are laughing in their mansions.

The next stage is PR voting. Will they allow it after nearly 4 million votes gained just one seat, or will they fight tooth and nail to pretend it doesn't matter and that the system "works best" without it?

I said 2020 would be when UKIP topples them, but now I am not so sure. UKIP has suffered a setback. Without Farage at the helm, there is no one to take it to them, 4 million people have no voice.

Will UKIP still exist by 2020, will it disintegrate? I don't know. It's too early to say.

But if we get PR voting and UKIP is still firing on all cylinders in 2020, then all I can say is watch out, you ain't seen nothing yet, the people's revolution will be back on. There'll be no laughing in their mansions then.

'UKIP will have a similar amounts of votes to the SNP'

I think I heard that the SNP have 1.5 million votes and 56 seats and UKIP have close to 4 million votes and 1 seat.

Claig ... was that your May 2010 speech, it sound awfully familiar? lol

Claig .. check your SNP votes, as if you make a two way bid-offer price on it, I'd BUY.

'was that your May 2010 speech'

No because I was Tory in 2010.

"No because I was Tory in 2010."

Yeah, and I was a Cossack.

We have a referendum on Europe and farage has no seat. It's a one issue, one man band so I confidently predict Ukip will be finished...

Now for a referendum on Scotland ;)

They stitched you up like - U-kippers?

JohnFarleysRuskin ... If Farage remains an MEP, an EU Referendum will be right up his strasse and won't be able to shut him up.

As for "Now for a referendum on Scotland ;)" ... oooh, you are cheeky.

If Salmond keeps saying "Cameron has no legitimacy in Scotland" when their economy would have gone tits by now if independent, we might call his bluff - BEFORE we get out the cheque book to 'invest for (Scottish) growth' that still beats the hell out of me, where it would go.

They done us up like a kipper. They flipped us, flopped, filleted us, fried us and now they're having a feast and a celebration and by Jove, they are laughing now. In think tanks all over Mayfair, teenage whizzkids are highfiving each other and saying "Jolly good show". The Bullingdon Club is holding a celebratory drinks do and Gawd knows what the damage will be.

This is the most humorous I've ever seen you, claig. You certainly know how to take a defeat well. Although, being a former Tory, I am sure you are not as devastated as some.

"I was a Tory in 2010" and "The Bullingdon Club" Cameron had still been a member off ,,,,see the Cossack dance. da,da,da, da.

'Although, being a former Tory, I am sure you are not as devastated as some.'

I can't lose all my Tory roots, I am pleased the Tories won and have a majority. I wish that UKIP and Farage would have done better - to hold their feet to the fire amd keep them honest and true and to curb their progressive instincts of minimum alcohol pricing and banning 2-for-1s.

There's always 2020, we'll take it to them then!

As claig may know, I am far, far, far from UKIP voter - but I agree we should have proportional representation in this country. First past the post is simply not a fair system...

SnowBells, I hope everybody puts pressure on the system for it - the Greens, UKIP, TUSC and every other party.

The LibDems won't help us, they will go quiet on the matter.

I hope Labour say they want it.

Labour's Jon Cruddas is absolutely brilliant. I hope to God he becomes Labour leader, but the Establishment won't approve someone great like him.

“One of the things that is reflective of changes in me is, for example, proportional representation,” he said. “That’s now not some sort of middle class indulgent exercise – it’s a fundamental issue in terms of democracy and people’s rights. I never had a view on it before; now I think it’s central to the rebuilding of the whole thing. As is space for referendums, and recalls. These are really interesting questions.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/31/jon-cruddas-interview-ed-miliband-labour-party-policy-review

This is what UKIP wants to. If Labour had real courage, it could take the UKIP vote, it could get millions of voters if it had real courage. But of course it won't be allowed to and Jon Cruddas won't become leader.

The current voting system wasn't fair to the Conservative's, as English boundaries were so uneven and favouring Labour, I believe giving them around a 20 seat advantage - so on top of Labour's Scottish advantage and record of dodgy postal ballots (a judge once said was akin "to a Banana Republic") and hope to 'force feed' ballot papers to 16-year olds - one has to wonder if we had a ONE main party system in Westminster.

Apparently changes were already legislated for, including dropping the current 650 seats, down to 600 - hopefully all SNP. lol

Having been on the other end of a dodgy system, enough electoral legislation for one parliament, I guess we'll see - but with another 5-years to spread the recovery, maybe proportional representation would suit the Tories as well.

Claig ... UKIP wouldn't have benefited from Labour voting reforms this parliament including 16-year olds.

The ballot paper would have read 'do you want the warm and fuzzy perpetually fair Labour Party, or right wing selfish bastards looking after the top 2,000 while killing the poor'.

Even UKIP wouldn't have got any spin off from that.

P.S Hail, El Presidenti Milibando on a 10-year fixed parliament; it was THAT close.

how does that work then?

Ukip get 3.8 million votes and one seat. The greens get less than 1 million and one seat.

How can that possibly be fair? The voices of close to 4 million voters are just being ignored.

"It must have seemed too good to be true for the Tories as a defeated Nigel Farage confirmed he would stick to his promise to resign as Ukip leader, having failed in his seventh attempt to enter parliament.
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However, the Conservative joy at having “cut off the serpent’s head” was somewhat tempered by suspicions that the Ukip beast may still prove to be a hydra."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/08/nigel-farage-quits-resigns-ukip-leader-may-return

That's Farage. He has only reeled them in to then wallop them with a sucker pumch. They don't call him "The Fox" for nothing!

“What we have got to do is turn it into a mass membership organisation that doesn’t just want to change our relationship with Europe and control immigration, but get positive electoral reform.”

Oh my God, he's got them panicking again, just when they thought they could take it easy.

"Positive electoral reform" are the last three words they wanted to hear especially when they come from Farage.

The game is back on. They have got a fight on their hands.

The people's revolution was on hold, but only for a few hours. It's well and truly on again.

The People's Army had been down in the dumps, some of the brave volunteers and footsoldiers had lost heart

“It’s all been for nothing,” said one elderly female activist to a senior local official.

But this news has changed everything. "Positive electoral reform". Let's take it to them! Why wait till 2020?

“It’s all been for nothing,” said one elderly female activist to a senior local official.

Was that you, claig?

I'm old but not that old and anyway I certainly don't look it

Haha! I could join you in a gin tonight, claig, only I'm commiserating with the Greens, not UKIP.

And I certainly agree with you on one thing: FPTP really let us down.

We'll have a gin together because Greens and UKIP are now on the same side. It's us, the people - 5 million of us, against them.

"Winning Ukip candidate Douglas Carswell said: “Across the country about 5 million people will have either voted for Ukip or for the Green Party. Those 5 million people will be lucky to get a tiny handful of MPs in the House of Commons.

“That failure to translate those 5 million votes into seats is less a reflection of how my party or the Green Party campaigned, rather it tells us how dysfunctional our political system is.”

blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-parliament-proportional-representation/20893