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Congratulations to Tory and SNP voters

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claig · 08/05/2015 06:55

Brilliant result for SNP voters. Amazing. Most significant change in British electoral history ever. Truly historic.

Very good results for Conservative voters.

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claig · 08/05/2015 10:08

"I wouldn't want to see UKIP getting more MPs (sorry Claig!)"

Yes and lots of people agree with you and so do the Establishment which is why they will do their best to stop it. But at the end of the day, democracy demands that people's votes and preferences get representation.

Harriet Harman was on the BBC the other day saying that FPTP "works better" than PR. Works better for whom? For them, this out of touch metropolitan political elite? It is not about what is best for them, but about what the people want.

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 08/05/2015 10:23

But the people didn't want it. We had the chance and we didn't go for it.

Lib Dems sold themselves to the Cons in the pursuit of it. There's a lesson there.

claig · 08/05/2015 10:32

'But the people didn't want it. '

The Tories didn't want it and the Establishment LibDems even now are not demanding it. I think they offered us a crap AV solution deliberately hoping that it would fail and then they said "oh well, you had you chance, now back to Establishment business as usual".

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 08/05/2015 10:36

Oof that was close in Thanet South...

claig · 08/05/2015 10:36

Farage is not elected.

Country in mourning. Flags flying at half mast. Weeping, wailing, tearing out of hair. Tragedy worthy of a Shakesperean play.

They are laughing now in their metropolitan mansions, but we'll be back one day.

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Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 10:37

UKIP - no ceegar for Mr Farage, who'd have thought that the seventh attempt to get into Westminster, wasn't a charm.

claig · 08/05/2015 10:39

Some Tory non-entity has beaten Britain's highest approval rating politician. Life is not always fair. We have to take the rough with the smooth, and by God this is rough!

Where's the bottle? I need an early gin.

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claig · 08/05/2015 10:40

Is it over? is that it? Are they laughing in their mansions?

Essex is in mourning. The people's insurgency is on hold.

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Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 10:46

Claig ...don't you mean vodka, comrade? lol

Farage cited the SNP fears and I can't disagree with him.

If Sturgeon had not said she could NEVER work with the Conservatives prior to the election, and kept her gob shut until AFTER, there could have been a very different result for Labour and UKIP. IMO.

claig · 08/05/2015 10:49

'don't you mean vodka'

I'm not fussy - as long as it contains alcohol.

I'm off to Sainsburys to buy up all the alcohol in the store, all the 2-for-1s, before the politically correct modernising Tories And Lord Cameron implement their minimum alcohol pricing policies.

A very sad day indeed!

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claig · 08/05/2015 10:52

We have one outpost left - in God's own county of Essex.
Nearly 4 million votes, People's Army and proud, and just one single lonely seat but it ain't a defeat.

The people of Clacton didn't let us down. Cheers to Clacton!
Comrades keep up the fight, we shall not disappear into the night!

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 08/05/2015 10:53

This part of essex isn't :)

Cameron was being a right smug twat - I hope he realises quickly that much of his vote came from anti 2eds, anti snp AND anti ukip and were by no means outright approval of his party/policies.

Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 11:05

Cameron doesn't deserve to smile?

Yes he probably did benefit from the mistakes of other political parties, but he clearly wasn't getting any credit for taking a UK shit stack and turning it around - more than confirmed by the Lib Dem result.

It wouldn't happen in America, where the citizens are far more economically savvy and would have been elected demi-god.. IMO

claig · 08/05/2015 11:13

'but he clearly wasn't getting any credit for taking a UK shit stack and turning it around'

I hardly think he has turned the Tory Party round, upside down more like.

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claig · 08/05/2015 11:28

Farage resigns

Leadership election in September. Farage says he will consider possibly standing. Grin

Farage, forget Kent, come to Essex. This is the true home of the insurgency. We'll get you a seat down here. The whole town will greet ya.

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claig · 08/05/2015 11:29

Farage says he will consider possibly standing

Panic among the elite. They were laughing in their mansions, toasting how they had seen the back of him. Now there is stony silence in their mansions and all celebrations have ceased.

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Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 11:30

Yes dear.

Farage resigns/gone for now, but indicates "I'll be back".

He obviously liked the size of the UKIP vote and backed himself into a corner HOPING it would bring out the Thanet vote, but dared them to screw him.

ragged · 08/05/2015 11:30

How do you rate Suzanne Evans, Claig? I think I heard her on radio few weeks ago, & very impressive.

claig · 08/05/2015 11:33

'How do you rate Suzanne Evans, Claig?'

She is a smooth performer but not good enough for me. I don't think she really has profound UKIP instincts, I think she will be too politically correct. I like Diane James. Absolutely brilliant. As much courage as Farage. UKIP instincts through and through. Very clever, very able, terrifies the elite.

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claig · 08/05/2015 11:44

Diane James in action. Courage, honesty, common sense - UKIP through and through.

Title of the video is "Diane James, of UKIP, takes on a rowdy, liberal leaning London audience"

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Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 12:02

Farage's... "I'll be back" for the UKIP Leadership contest I'd have thought made any 'contender' discussions pointless - Farage IS UKIP, so if anyone tries to tell me that anyone else had a chance if he stood for his old job, I'd do a bottom burb laughing.

claig · 08/05/2015 12:22

Farage may not stand again. He is looking a bit tired. They have thrown the kitchen sink at him. He may want to go fishing which he loves and lead an easy life.

Farage is exceptional, has exceptional courage and is not politically correct, they can't frighten him into silence. That is why they fear him.

To run UKIP you need exceptional courage because the Establishment will throw everything they have got at you. You must not be politicallly correct because if they spot a weakness they will hit you. You must have the courage to face them down and take them on.

In my opinion, there are only two people who could lead UKIP apart from Farage - two people with exceptional courage who are not politically correct - Diane James and Paul Nuttall. That is it.

To lead parties you need talent, you need courage, you need integrity and for UKIP, you must have UKIP instincts and absolutely no fear. Those qualities are rare and omly Farage, Diane James and Paul Nuttall have them in my opinion.

UKIP is down, but not yet out.

Here is Peter Oborne on Farage and what it takes.

"Meanwhile, British party democracy has collapsed, along with the post-war economic model. All political leaders have embarked on a muddled and pitiful attempt to discover fresh modes of leadership and political expression.

Only one politician seems to be entirely at home in this post-democratic landscape. There is a paradox about Nigel Farage. In an era that has been stripped of familiar signposts, he might have walked straight off the set of an Ealing comedy. Dickens would have loved him. There has been no Axelrod figure lurking behind Mr Farage, trying to make him say the right things or wear the right clothes. He has advanced to his position of unprecedented public influence on his own terms. Voters sense this and respect it.

For many years, the Ukip leader was ignored by the mainstream media. In the 2004 European elections, Ukip marked its first major breakthrough, winning 16 per cent of the seats. However, the BBC marked the party down as “other” in its news report the following day.

Now that Mr Farage can no longer be ignored, he is sneered at instead. Even so, it looks possible that next week he will come top in the national vote. This will be a truly astounding achievement. No political party in modern history – not even Neil Kinnock’s Labour in 1987 – has come under such sustained attack and misrepresentation. Mr Kinnock at least had The Guardian and the Daily Mirror; Mr Farage cannot boast a single national title, and several papers are running vendettas against him. Mr Kinnock was treated reasonably fairly by the broadcast media. This is not the case with Mr Farage: consider the lacerating contempt shown towards him by Channel 4 News and its chief presenter, Jon Snow. Nick Robinson, the BBC’s political editor, has also abandoned his usual fairness when dealing with the party."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10830882/British-politics-is-broken-and-only-Nigel-Farage-is-profiting.html

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Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 12:34

Farage is not well, he told us in the UK that it was his back, but I'm not so sure.

Based on his accident and the social abuse he puts his body through, I would guess problems with his 'offal'.

(Putiing arms up for rubber gloves) 'Trust me, I'm a doctor'.

slug · 08/05/2015 12:34

I'm still waiting for that People's Army you confidently predicted would sweep the "establishment" out of Westminster claig. Hmm

Farage is still an MEP. He still draws a salary and expenses from the European parliament. He won't have to make retirement plans just yet, there's still another million or so to be squeezed out of the system before he has to think of leaving the UK in peace.

Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 12:42

Slug ..to be fair to Claig (god help me) UKIP will have a similar amounts of votes to the SNP; and Scotland will have 56(?) Westminster seats and UKIP 1 seat.

More of a volcano than an earthquake, current going 'phuuut' but looking more like a 'peoples party' than in 2010, and if Labour takes as long as the Conservatives did to find a leader for the party to get behind, in 2020, the world could be their lobster.