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Congratulations to Tory and SNP voters

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claig · 08/05/2015 06:55

Brilliant result for SNP voters. Amazing. Most significant change in British electoral history ever. Truly historic.

Very good results for Conservative voters.

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lougle · 08/05/2015 06:56
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claig · 08/05/2015 06:59

Disappointing for the rest of us. Hopefully Cameron will rise to the challenge and realise how divided the country is and make changes that can bring everyone together again.

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MargolottaOfUberwold · 08/05/2015 07:20

I agree Claig

We live in a democracy and this is what the people have voted for, even if it was not my personal choice.

However we do need to look at electoral reform, Conservatives look to control the government with only 35% of the popular vote

claig · 08/05/2015 07:26

'However we do need to look at electoral reform'

Absolutely. I fear they won't allow us to have it though. Very sad. Millions voted with no real representation.

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DressedUpJustLikeEdie · 08/05/2015 07:33

Did you not vote Conservative Claig?

How lovely and civilized of you to congratulate the winners with such good grace and recognise the achievement of the SNP even though you personally are disappointed in the outcome.

Some posters on MN could really do with taking a leaf out of your book, I've seen some disgusting, spiteful, abusive comments from Labour voters aimed at Tory voters this morning and it makes me sick.

The reason so many people won't even discuss politics or say out loud who they intend to vote for is because of people like this, the bullies and the drama llamas with their histrionic invective, so they smugly start to believe that because they are all shouting the loudest and no-one is standing up to them that they must be in the majority…..until the votes are counted and they realise just how many people disagreed with them all along but are too intimidated to say so. It's wiped a few smug smiles off a few faces this morning but I doubt they'll learn anything from it.

claig · 08/05/2015 07:38

'Did you not vote Conservative Claig? '

No I used to be conservative, but now I am UKIP.

Yes, SNP voters must be very proud, they have achieved a historic miracle and they deserve and must be heard. As Alex Salmond said the Scottish Lion has roared and it cannot be ignored.

Yes, the vilification of conservative voters by some left wing voters is bad. They think they have the moral high ground and that anyone who votes conservatives wants to see people queueing up at foodbanks etc.

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MargolottaOfUberwold · 08/05/2015 07:45

I disagree with UKIP's policies, but I do believe in democracy.

I don't think anyone can look at overall popular vote, and agree that UKIP should have 1 seat and SNP 56 on that basis. Any child could look at that and see it's not "fair".

Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 08:10

Arguably the Conservatives have the SNP to thank for the seats they kept/picked up, and the possibility of a majority in parliament by a whisker.

Mrs Sturgeon should have known that by invoking a Scottish nationalist call to arms to inflict such a humiliating defeat on Labour in Scotland, it would damage Labour elsewhere, invoking nationalism elsewhere.

In particular her continual statement that under NO circumstances the SNP could work with a legitimate largest party Conservatives, which clearly was her democratic right, but hardly fair or 'British'.

England saw a threat on the prospects that a 1970's early 1980's SNP throwback, insisting we followed the 'spend, spend, spend' mistakes of the 2000's - would block every Conservative policy rather than look at the merits of those policies for the national good - producing a 'lame duck' parliament for 5-years at best.

Not helped if they heard, Miliband in the event of a larger party Conservatives, had legal eagles going over the constitution to work out how to EJECT Cameron and install himself as P.M. based on that anti Conservative SNP promise.

Adding a constitutional mess, to the ones they left in 2010, and showing a power at any cost, 'grubby' side.

Labour paid for that and a bland, badly thought out, populist, soundbite of a manifesto insisting it covered all - while uttering class/wealth division in every speech - for a 'better Britain', and many people would have seen through that.

Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 08:14

UKIP is now the 'official protest party' in England and Wales.

Where they stand after an UK Referendum on the EU, is anyones guess.

claig · 08/05/2015 08:16

Mark Reckless has lost in Rochester. If Farage loses then UKIP may not survive. The people who vote UKIP will still feel the same but they will have no real home and may have to return to either Conservative or Labour.

Rumours are that Ed Balls may have lost.

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Tiredemma · 08/05/2015 08:16

3.5 Million people voted for UKIP yet they get 1 seat? 1.5 Million people vote for SNP and they get 59 seats?
Thats not democracy, thats ludicrous.

The voting system is an arse.

I do not support UKIP but 3.5 million voices is a lot of voices

claig · 08/05/2015 08:17

Ed Balls has lost after a recount.

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Tiredemma · 08/05/2015 08:18

ED balls lost

claig · 08/05/2015 08:19

They invited Ed Balls to the Bilderberg meeting. The hamburgers must be losing their touch.

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 08/05/2015 09:06

We have already looked at electoral reform and the country said no.

Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 09:09

Arguably we did just vote for 'English MP votes, on English matters only laws' whatever that practically means.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 08/05/2015 09:14

I predicted a Cons win (preens) motivated by fear of UKIP and fear of SNP/LAB.

Why don't Cons have a referendum on taking England out of the Union? Then everyone will be happy.

claig · 08/05/2015 09:29

'We have already looked at electoral reform and the country said no.'

It was AV, a rubbish solution (possibly why it was the only offer on the table).

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 08/05/2015 09:33

Um maybe, but I don't think there is an appetite for it.

You could say, pursuit of referendum on electoral reform was what led to poor Lib-Dems downfall. I can't see anyone seriously proposing it for the next few years.

CuttedUpPear · 08/05/2015 09:42

Democracy my arse.
A first past the post system is NOT democratic.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 08/05/2015 09:55

Oh after every election these debates happen. No system is perfect. We could have gone to more proportional rep but we didn't. That's going to be the last chance we get for electoral reform for a while and rightly so - I wouldn't want to see UKIP getting more MPs (sorry Claig!)

Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 09:57

"A first past the post system is NOT democratic."

Until the smaller political parties get REAL within their 'space cadet' policy manifestos, FPTP should stay in place if they are the alternative.

IMO all prospective MP's should have a basic intelligence test, including economics, before being put forward - as I am constantly shocked how ignorant they are e.g. the difference between an annual budget deficit and (accumulative) national debt.

I mean believe it or not, I'm no Labour supporter, but for Labour's seasoned Douglas Alexander(?) to be replaced by an SNP 20-year old, who only seems to be able to regurgitate the SNP party line on 'austerity' - however democratic or nice the candidate is, it seems perverse - as the last thing we need is to DRAIN Westminster of little grey cells.

Isitmebut · 08/05/2015 10:05

Claig ... water under the bridge now, but for UKIP to say their manifesto was 'fully funded' (and the only party to do so) when relying on tens of £billions savings having left the EU, when either a Labour/SNP, or minority Conservative government would have been in power - was either head in the clouds, or up bum, your choice. lol

Would UKIP with ,2,5,7,10, 20 MP's have had parliamentary super powers to 'will' the uk out of the EU?

Just an example of many across the smaller parties, and while we could pick holes in the larger parties manifestos, Stan Lee from Marvel comics fame didn't write theirs.

Anyhoo...moving on.