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Do you think the Tories will get a majority in 2015?

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lottieandmia · 06/04/2014 10:41

?

Or are we more likely to have another coalition?

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PurpleBoot · 07/04/2014 16:47

ItsNothingOriginal totally agree, same here - still hanging on to job in charity sector but have had 20% pay cut over last few years, while those who our sector supports suffer with nowhere to go for help.

Mind you, I do think the last term of Gordon Brown went a bit mental, so would be worried about a new Labour government spending recklessly, don't have any confidence in Balls. They need some new faces.

unlucky83 · 07/04/2014 17:36

UKIP being all things to all men - that was true for Blair in 1997. A blind view that 'things were going to get better' - yeah right...
Someone who believed it would be a socialist utopia Hmm - nothing they thought was going to happen was in New Labour's manifesto.
Someone else (a teacher) who thought it would mean a chance for the education system to settle and to stop change after change that only achieved disruption - that didn't happen either...
So I wouldn't discount UKIP at all ...

claig · 07/04/2014 17:49

Good point, unlucky83, Blair was an absolute joke in 1997, but I and millions of others still voted for him because we had had enough of the Tories.

People are saying that Miliband is not as popular as Blair etc, but in 1997 Blair was laughable. He had no experience in government at all and he was a naive spinner who was called "Bambi" by much of the press. He had nothing going for him except that he was not a Tory.

Now, the public has had enough of all of the parties and that is why it is going for Farage. However, I think the Tories will still be more popular than the gruseome gang and failed faces of New Labour.

unlucky83 · 07/04/2014 18:24

I don't really know enough about it or him but actually I have a soft spot for IDS (ready for a bashing)...
He said something way before the last election and it was the first time that I have heard a politician say anything that showed he seemed to really and truly 'get' the problems families who have been unemployed for generations face.
I mixed at school (late 70s/early 80s) with children from mill working families. The mills started closing in the 1930s, brief respite for WWII and by the 60s and 70s it was desperate. Some of these children would be third generation unemployed. They had no chance and it was obvious from them being 11 yo....and that was in the eyes of a fellow 11yo.

The hopelessness, acceptance, dependency, lack of aspirations Sad
And throwing money at them really doesn't help - if anything IME it makes it worse Sad.
Not sure forcing people back to work helps either - especially if there are no jobs -
But supporting them and helping them to do something - anything- can only be good for them and their children's future. I think I'd support needing to do voluntary work for benefits if you were long term unemployed...just to get some structure and purpose back in life... I don't know....

Ignoring poverty just being long term unemployed is bad for your health ....Sad.

EverythingCounts · 07/04/2014 19:18

Yes, but IDS said all that then, and has now totally backtracked into 'people on benefits are lazy and worthless' stereotypes. A massive opportunity to really think afresh about it all and he blew it.

I can see it being another coalition. Disillusionment all round. I am a Labour votes by inclination but wish Miliband would move into a higher gear. It's all very negative at the moment.

unlucky83 · 07/04/2014 19:36

Has he everything ? That is really sad ...I must look into it more...
I kind of liked Frank Fields idea too - give everyone (except the disabled) X amount of money, just enough to live on, no matter how much they earn.
Any work you do increases your standard of living, less opportunity for people who understand the system to fraud/play the system, less people not getting the help they need because they don't understand the system...
And at the same time the people who assess the claims and look for fraud could spend time actually helping people get work...

Ludways · 07/04/2014 19:49

I'm genuinely lost at the moment, I've always voted conservative but I'm just not sure what to do in the future, I can't vote for either the lib dems or labour as I just can't agree with a damn thing they say. I agree with a lot of the conservative ideas but the ones I don't believe in I fiercely don't agree with.

I'm not wasting my vote but what can I do?

claig · 07/04/2014 20:05

UKIP, Ludways?

claig · 07/04/2014 20:06

That's what everyone else is doing

lottieandmia · 07/04/2014 20:09

I know people who vote for the Green Party when disillusioned by all the others and they did manage to get a seat in Brighton iirc...

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lottieandmia · 07/04/2014 20:11

I despair at why people turn to UKIP. They think disabled children should be euthanised. They are basically fascists and no better than the BNP. And their politicians sound absolutely thick.

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claig · 07/04/2014 20:35

'They think disabled children should be euthanised.'

Rubbish. UKIP are now Britain's favourite party. They don't believe in stuff like that and nor do their voters. And they are not fascists. Many of them are ex-Labour and ex-Tories.

Farage is not thick. he wiped the floor with Cleggy from Westminster School, Cambridge University, the University of Minnesota and the College of Europe.

PansBigChainring · 07/04/2014 20:36

No that ISN'T what everyone else is doing claig. UKIP's unpleasantness as a political party is only thinly veneered.

lottieandmia · 07/04/2014 21:39

Wiped the floor? In your opinion maybe....

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MoreBeta · 08/04/2014 08:43

I get the impression Labour are as frightened of UKIP as Tories.

Throughout last year I had a lot of tradesmen in my house doing various work and the regular conversation turned to the economy and how their income hadn't gone up for a decade and how they felt they were not sharing in economic growth and how they felt the EU and immigration had impacted them directly.

One man in particular who did a lot of very good heating work for me pointed out that after he had taken out his costs such as van depreciation, public liability insurance, wear and tear on tools, accountant his hourly rate was about £10 per hour. Not much more than minimum wage and by the time he had paid tax and NI he was thinking selling his van, doing a bit of scrap and antique dealing on Ebay and claiming housing benefit was a lot better than working. He strongly felt that he was paying rising taxes to pay other people benefits whilst facing falling income due to immigration and he was being crushed in the middle.

His Dad was a solid Labour voter but he had voted for Margaret Thatcher and set up his own business, got training in advanced skills and generally did the right thing. Now he felt that it was all being undermined.He was sure he was going to vote UKIP as indeed a lot of the other tradesmen told me they intended to. These were all people who in the past would have solidly voted Labour.

ttosca · 08/04/2014 10:46

It's really sad. All these things about stagnating wages, debt, unaffordable housing, rising bills, etc. are true.

However, these things are not caused by immigration. It is a trend which has been happening for three three decades in the West, since the beginning of neo-liberalism.

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/mixed-economy-vs-neoliberalism-uk.html

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 08/04/2014 11:13

UKIP are now Britain's favourite party claim you spout some rubbish but that has to take the Biscuit

A small minority of disenfranchised and/or delusional people are currently saying they will vote for them. That is all.

claig · 08/04/2014 12:27

I never spout rubbish. I stick to the facts.

'The UK Independence Party is the nation’s favourite political party, a poll for The Independent on Sunday reveals today.'

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-tops-independent-on-sunday-poll-as-the-nations-favourite-party-9069625.html

lottieandmia · 08/04/2014 12:55

LOL at the idea that voting for Margaret Thatcher was the 'right thing' generally. That depends on whether or not her policies were destroying your job prospects I suppose.

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Isitmebut · 08/04/2014 14:12

Thats right lottieandmia...it was all Thatchers fault that Manufacturing fell from around 29% of the UK economy in the early 1970's and around 22% when she came in - and nothing to do with this shower.

When Labour & UK Trade Unions last ‘shared’ power and didn’t have the same priorities = Thatcher.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

“The Winter of Discontent refers to the winter of 1978–79 in the United Kingdom, during which there were widespread strikes by public sector trade unions demanding larger pay rises, following the ongoing pay caps of the Labour Party government led by James Callaghan against Trades Union Congress opposition to control inflation, during the coldest winter for 16 years.”

“The strikes were a result of the Labour government's attempt to control inflation by a forced departure from their social contract with the unions by imposing rules on the public sector that pay rises be kept below 5%, to control inflation in itself and as an example to the private sector.”

When UK Trade Unions dictated to businesses and German & Japanese workers didn’t = mass producing British car companies decimated.
news.bbc.co.uk/local/liverpool/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8401000/8401200.stm

“British Leyland's Speke factory symbolised all that was wrong with UK car manufacturing in the dark days of the 1970s, a million miles away from the high performing plants of today at Ellesmere Port and Halewood.”

“In 1978 British Leyland's Speke Number Two plant was under threat of closure, afflicted by a series of crippling strikes, low sales of the TR7 it manufactured, and a history of poor industrial relations coupled with inefficiencies.”

“In 1970 British Leyland, who had taken over Triumph, spent £10.5 million building Speke Number Two plant, it was one of the most modern and best equipped plants in Europe designed to build 100,000 vehicles a year all under one roof.”

“When BBC Nationwide visited in February 1978 the plant only had a few months of life left.”

Isitmebut · 08/04/2014 14:19

And who was it that had to call in the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to balance the UK's books in 1976 like modern day Greece, a Labour government or Thatcher???

The only difference to the pre May 2010 debacle from back then, was Labour didn't stay in power and try and sort out the UK's social and economic problems of their own making, promising 'more of the same'.

Isitmebut · 08/04/2014 14:30

Ukip with one European policy they can't deliver, with no domestic policies, and no talent within thats even visited Westminster to deliver them - they are clearly the obvious choice for those that want something 'different' - to run complex government departments and dig us out of £1,500,000,000,000 (£1.5 tril) of national debt in 2015.

TenThousandThings · 08/04/2014 15:33

No incumbent government has ever gained more seats than in subsequent elections so, statistically, maybe not.

I jused to vote for the conservatives when John Major was the head of the party but I just feel now it's a few men who all know each other from school who run everything, so I won't be doing again until that changes. I feel they think that women are there for window dressing and that really makes my ANGRY!

Contrarian78 · 08/04/2014 15:47

I think they'll do it. People just don't trust labour. Their record on the economy speaks for itself and they're not very good at getting their policies heard. I'd have more respect for them if they said they were going to nationalise certain industries (there'd be broad support for nationalising the railway).

As it is, we've just got Red Ed who isn't even the best politician in his own family

There'll be a sense come 2015 that we've started to properly turn the corner, people won't want labour to wreck it. They'll vote tory (secretly in many cases).

If you believed Mumsnet to be broadly representative of the electorate, Labour would walk it. Thankfully though, out there in the real world, people are a little more pragmatic.

juneau · 08/04/2014 15:49

Boris to save the world, who knew

It's funny, isn't it? Boris is every bit as much of a toff as Cameron and Osbourne, yet he's so outspoken and off message and scruffy that he has a much wider appeal than they do.

UKIP scare me - I hope they die a death at this next election. They're full of the sort of right-wing ideas that old school, died-in-the-wool, Daily Mail-reading Tories (like my aunt), love, but they've got no clear vision for this country other than leaving the EU and limiting immigration.

And I agree Alibaba about Scotland. Vote Yes!

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