Another Angry Voice: UKIP are not an "Alternative"

[ttosca]

Hardly a day goes by without some delusional person completely ignoring the subject of the item I've shared to enthuse that UKIP are an "alternative" to the corrupt political establishment.

In this article I'm going to explode the myth that UKIP are an "alternative" and conclude by providing a list of genuinely alternative political parties and organisations.

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/ukip-alternative-delusion-neoliberal.html

There are alternatives to UKIP for making a protest vote:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_Kingdom

You don't have to vote for a nasty, right-wing, reactionary party to register a protest vote.

I don't see UKIP as racist. I don't think that's fair.

Are UKIP xenophobic reactionary NIMBY elitist climate-change deniers? YES, absolutely. They are all those things in spades.

Those are good enough reasons for me to loathe them. You really don't need to make up reasons to loathe UKIP. They provide loads in their explicit written policies.

Claig….re ‘the 600 plus village idiots instead of Ukip’, it was rather predictable your response, but I’m happy to be the Ernie Wise to your Eric Morecambe punch lines.

My point stands, Ukip voters don’t need to even think ‘guilt trips’ when choosing Farage, just think common sense in that whether you feel there is a chance Ukip is a competent alternative to the current politicians in DOMESTIC policies, apart from the EU/immigration platform that they can do nothing about.

With NO party record, NO policy record, NO Farage record, NO individuals that has served in the Commons, never mind a Cabinet overseeing a Ministry – this country might as well go to 650 villages, pressgang the best idiot into parliament and call the ‘alternatives’ – as it is that much of a lottery (in odds) that they would be better and less radical, than Ukip.

I could understand if any Ukip supporter is COMPARING other main party’s records with Ukip, as it is clear to me looking at Labour red/rose tinted spectacles, they can screw with the images in a voters head.

But in the real world, without a Ukip record/comparison, if just fooled by populist rhetoric, common sense should either tell you NOT to vote Ukip, OR alternatively ask your village to put YOU forward for one of the 650 seats. lol

' this country might as well go to 650 villages, pressgang the best idiot into parliament '

But this was Cameron's A-List, Priority list strategy for the selection of Conservative candidates. As far as I understand it, it was dreamed up by a chum from Eton and Chipping Norton and led to half the Tory Party's faithful, dedicated, decent membership tearing their membership cards up in utter disgust and defecting to UKIP en masse.

One small point. Farage - no policies. Lib Dems have a policy on student fees in last election. Lib Dems change mind and vote to raise all fees. So what's the point of policies if they are not carried out. In fact the absolulte opposite was. Which is the reason I have totally ruled out voting Lib Dem. Though it doesn't affect my family but I know quite a few people it does affect.

And Farage does have the policy of scrapping tuition fees

On student loans; Labour's policy was facilitate 50% of our children going to Uni, far higher than any other country, and it was to be funded how?

Now I can't be assed to look up which percentage went to Uni in 1997, but what was the COST of such pulled out of a hat target, and WHO was going to pay for it, the taxpayer, funding 25% of our kids doing various 'ologies to degree standards, that have no use in the outside world?

Any fool of a politician can say they don't care about the costs, we had that for 13-years, we didn't need another one, especially a leader that would never be in power.

I reiterate my earlier 'populist' policies point.

P.s. Within the whole Education system, apart from giving money away, what other reforms/policies did Ukip have in 2010, or were they happy with 'more of the same'?

Grammar schools - old style Tory policy

Those are good enough reasons for me to loathe them. You really don't need to make up reasons to loathe UKIP. They provide loads in their explicit written policies.

I'm not making things up. UKIP is a racist party for racist idiots.

Nigel Farage is on record saying that he is happy to attract disaffected BNP voters.

How many racist or bigotted comments from UKIP councillor or members will it take to convince you that they are a racist and bigotted party?

I'm not making things up. UKIP is a racist party for racist idiots.

That is frankly ridiculous.

The prospective UKIP MEP in my area, who will almost certainly be elected is of Asian ethnicity.

You are just playing the tired old card of 'let's get this party seen as rascist and no one will vote for them'.

It doesn't work any more - except for thickos.

ttosca. Racism that old tired word, how boring. This party is far from racist. The leader is married to a German, the immigration minister,
Gerard Batten to a Filipino, and his agent Lawrence Webb to a woman from the West Indies! So please give it a rest!

ttosca…they are correct about Ukip and racism, that is not the persona they currently want or need to show, that was when they needed BNP support on the ground – and for a few years now, they have begrudgingly worked hard to correct it.

In 2010, with their manifesto offering 31p Flat Rate of income tax/national insurance and grammar schools, their persona went all ‘blue’, as that was the vote they were after back then.

Now that manifesto has been called “drivel” by Farage, the chameleon called Ukip will prepare a ‘red’ manifesto for 2015, with a tinge of socialist ‘yellow’ on the back of the Clegg debates.

So there we have it; Ukip ‘white’, Ukip ‘blue’ and the combining Ukip ‘red’ and ‘yellow’, may mean that ‘the future is Ukip ‘orange’.

They are not correct about UKIP and racism.

UKIP are a party of racism and bigotry-

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Is Ukip a party of bigots? Let's look at the evidence

Their manifesto might just look like a list of things that annoy people, but party members hold some views that should concern us, says Alex Andreou.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/ukip-party-bigots-lets-look-evidence

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How much evidence do people need? When is a racist party not a racist party? Are they not racist because that is what they publicly claim?

How many racists and bigots does it take to make them racist and bigotted? Serious question...

Oh dear. I thought people had learnt the lesson about calling other people bigots after Gordon Brown's unfortunate experience.

Your link is old to a manifesto that is no longer extant anyone.

It would seem that anyone who doesn;t share 'your' views is a bigot.

I forecd myself to read some of the artcle but when it got to burquas I just gave up.

As France has effectively banned the burgua I guess the entire French Republic is now populated by bigots.

Sorry - nice try. Must try harder.

That's it? So you're not concerned with the BNP members? The connections to the far-right racist parties in europe? The racist jokes at the UKIP conference:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10670949/Farage-defends-jokes-about-foreigners-at-Ukip-conference.html

The (very recenty) UKIP councillors remarks about Gay marriage being responsible for storms and heavy floods?

What's a racist ang bigotted party, then?

Can you imagine any serious party having a conference with those kinds of jokes?

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None of these things, or the points in the article disturb you? Are these the kind of people you want holding seats of power in Parliament?

Labour and Tory are even calling each other Dunces and Muppets. David C and Miliband having a sparring match as reported on the news. It hardly inspires voters confidence. But it made me laugh!

Made me laugh too. Cameron just sounded exasperated with him.

Is 'Muppet' an unParliamentary term?

As long as he doesn't call him Wallace!

There are lots of really nasty people out there, and they all seem to hate UKIP. :(

I don't think UKIP are racist per se but they are playing the immigration card to scare people into thinking it's all them immigrants fault.

That if we hadn't let all those foreigners in then the UK would be a jolly spiffing place to be and everyone would have jobs.

It neatly ignores all the facts and plays on fear.

That's the bit I dislike. They're capitalising on people's fears and worries to gain votes.

Bigot now seems to be what socialists call people who don't agree with them.

Who is the bigot here.

No, bigot is what socialists call people who make fun of or discriminate against people based on their race, skin color, or sexual orientation.

Anyone care to address the points?

Do you really think it's acceptable for an MP to blame floods on gay marriage and to make racist jokes at your party conference?

It's a serious question.

ttosca

I can assure you we have had some very bad MPs of all political persuasions over the years.

Personally I struggle with the idea of ex-IRA leaders being elected MPs. I remeber those who have been jailed for crimmnal acts - dozens of them.

Like calling people Ginger Rodents. That is pretty disgraceful in anybody's book I would say.

Well, that's just great. What I'm getting here is that people are happy to overlook the bigotry and racism of UKIP because of their misguided belief that they're an anti-establishment party.

Pick another party to give the establishment a bloody nose:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_Kingdom

Not one which makes racists jokes at its party conference.