Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

'WidowWadman Sat 04-May-13 11:42:32

But why does it matter whether migrants are in the council houses or not, unless you suggest that migrants should have less entitlement to council housing than British born people? What would you try to gain from the stats?'

I'll say. Yes, a immigrant should have less entitlement until they've started putting money in to the pot.

You've got British citizens living all over the EU, so it'd be stupid to only look at Bulgaria and Romania.

Also, interesting that you're happy to just go by assumptions, when it's about UK citizens abroad and suddenly aren't interested in figures anymore.

Lazarus, and how long, until they should be entitled in your view? What about those living with UK citizens? Should their partners lose their entitlement, or would you generously waive that requirement for them? What about their children?

Do you also want to recall all the rights and entitlements UK citizens have in other EU memberstates?

Have you actually ever thought through the implications of your views or is it all kneejerk?

'chibi Sat 04-May-13 12:36:38

i have ben here working for 10+ years, contributing etc. i am a citizen.'

I'd say you are more than welcome here.

Ethnic cleansing isn't likely to occur anytime soon.

I'd actually be fascinated to know how many British ex-pats were currently living in social housing in other parts of the world. Europe especially. How would one find out? Does the desire for these statistics make me a rascist?

www.aboutimmigration.co.uk/uk-immigrants-state-benefits.html

"The belief that immigrants come to the UK and immediately receive council housing has become increasingly widespread in recent years. It is a belief that far-right political parties have attempted to exploit. However, a survey conducted in 2009 showed that only 1.8% of those living in UK social housing were recent immigrants. (For these purposes ?recent? meant those immigrants who had come to the UK within the preceding five years.) A large proportion of these will have come to the UK as refugees. A further 10% of those living in social housing were immigrants who had been in the UK for more than five years.

Whether or not an immigrant will have any entitlement to social housing or housing benefit will depend on a number of factors and, in particular, whether they are subject to any form of immigration control. The entitlement of some asylum seekers to be provided with accommodation while their application is being processed does not, technically, come under the heading of social housing. This entitlement has been governed by separate legislation since 2000 and is determined purely by an individual?s status as an asylum seeker.

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WW,

Absolutely interested in figures. Perhaps you could provide some, for British Citizens, living abroad, accessing social housing in their destination of choice

Bit odd, too, that you seem suddenly interested in figures, after implying that I have no need to ask my local council for these very same figures?

Widow - yes if that is the case -unless it is emergency treatment.. ..a loan even -in this case they did have a family member translating...
Let face facts how many other countries in the world offer free Health care?
In lots of other countries in the world you won't get treatment unless you can pay ..in this case I don't think it is unreasonable to expect someone to pay for an extra cost to their treatment ...
and definitely think that if you choose to live in a country you should learn the language...and not expect other people to pick up the tab if you don't...or think/feel it is your right- you are wronged - for establishment not to be able provide such a service at the drop of a hat...
(My DP's first language isn't English -lived here for 20 yrs and he speaks English all the time ...sometimes he doesn't understand complex things but knows enough so it they can be re-phrased so he does understand)

There are a lot more UKIP supporters out there than you think...

eveningharold.com/2013/05/04/will-story/

WW,

" conducted in 2009"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

ethnic cleansing is always extremely unlikely to occur, until it occurs.

it also starts with this kind of rhetoric.

unrepeatable events of the never again category have been repeated, elsewhere over and over, on varying degrees of scale.

i am very aware that my citizenship is not equivalent to someone who was born here, and i doubt there would be much outcry if restrictions were placed on it - access to public services for example. i have only been a citizen for 4 years after all. no doubt many would see this as fair.

'WidowWadman Sat 04-May-13 12:53:48

Lazarus, and how long, until they should be entitled in your view? What about those living with UK citizens? Should their partners lose their entitlement, or would you generously waive that requirement for them? What about their children?'

It isn't knee jerk, but it may not be what you wish to hear. British abroad? Let's see. One of my oldest friends has ONLY JUST got his green card in USA, after nearly 10 years. He is married to a US citizen and looks after her child.

I have family members in Bermuda, France, Mauritius, and have friends living in UK from other areas (Taiwan, South Africa and Nepal (Gurkhas))... so obviously I don't have a clue about how any of this affects people.

It is tricky, and there are many varibles (ie children etc). But as a baseline I'd say 5 - 10 years sufficient, with paying in to the pot (themselves or via spouse). Also lessons in Britian. ie British History, culture, language and law. It isn't that long ago I read about immigrants being fleeced out of their new British passports by unscrupulous members of their own comunity.

Banjo77,

Have fun with the mockery.

Worked for David Cameron, didn't it.

Cibi,

"no doubt many would see this as fair."

I wouldn't.

WW,

I wonder how that survey was conducted, what with all these councils "not keeping those stats" and all...

'chibi Sat 04-May-13 13:09:38

ethnic cleansing is always extremely unlikely to occur, until it occurs.

it also starts with this kind of rhetoric.

unrepeatable events of the never again category have been repeated, elsewhere over and over, on varying degrees of scale.

i am very aware that my citizenship is not equivalent to someone who was born here, and i doubt there would be much outcry if restrictions were placed on it - access to public services for example. i have only been a citizen for 4 years after all. no doubt many would see this as fair.'

You are a citizen... for 1 day or a 100 years, it matters not. You are a citizen and the full range of privileges that come with that status should be yours.

The reason you hear similar rhetoric is that often such acts are preceded by ignorance of what one group or another groups wishes.

Remembering, throughout history, it doesn't have to be teh native population that do the cleansing...

oh indeed. once we finish eating all the swans, taking all the jobs/benefits, we will no doubt start attacking native born brits

looks like ukip got here just in time

well, you needn't worry about me assaulting you, i am just a scared, middle aged woman who is now going to actively look in to how i can manage the logistics of going home.

Why would you only fear right wing parties?

The Nazis were the National SOCIALISTS after all and it is Marxist Miliband who is apparently courting the lovely George Galloway of Respect, a man who is happy to discriminate against individuals who are born in countries that he doesn't like. That to me is a scary reminder of Nazi era policy towards Jews and as a Jew I find it terrifying that the leader of the opposition will court someone like Galloway, however abhorrent his opinions, in order to win a possible seat in the next election.

chibi, you have no need to be scared.

Alas British media is good at presenting certain images. There isn't a pitch fork wielding mob setting their torches alight as we speak.

By all means look in to how to get home, and I don't mean in order to leave, but if there is any reason to go home. ie family ill, or if there is actually a breakdown in UK.

The Swans thing may seem strange, but many British love them and would regard it as insult if they were harmed. Yes, to a hungry man they are just food, but to a British person they are the Queen's property and it was an example of a foreign person being ignorant of our customs.

If I went to India and gave a cows bum a slap to get them out of the way of my car I wouldn't be 'Mr Popular' would I?

Killing and eating a Quetzal in Central America would probably make the locals upset.

I really don't understand why this thread is so centered on immigration.
The policies are laid out quite clearly on their website and make no mention of kicking out anyone who is here legally. Sounds very reasonable to me.

What about their tax policies, anyone have a view on that? It has been shown time and again that a well balanced low income tax generates more income for the government. I like the look of UKIP's policies more and more the more i read about them.

I might even join.

Haven't the UKIP said that they would only want illegal immigrants to leave? Unless I have missed something vital this isn't ethnic cleansing, or anything like the scale that many are making out on here.

For tax I'd prefer to see a £10k tax haven for each adult and £2k tax haven for each kid (maximum of 2, except in cases of twins (etc) and adopted children).

So your 2+2 family would get £24,000 minimum. Then a flat rate tax for all. Say 50p in the pound.

'morethanpotatoprints Sat 04-May-13 14:54:28

Haven't the UKIP said that they would only want illegal immigrants to leave? Unless I have missed something vital this isn't ethnic cleansing, or anything like the scale that many are making out on here.'

People like to get hysterical about this sort of thing. Esp main parties who are suddenly faced with the results of years of ignorance.

Lazarus, I'm a bit scared too, even though I've told myself it's irrational.

I've had leave to remain for more than 30 years, and have been a taxpayer, mostly at higher rate, for all of them. And I feel scared. I'm married to a Brit, have been for 27 years, and have two British children and I'm scared. I'm also from a Commonwealth country, and Caucasian, and yet I'm - well - scared.

Because once you let slip the dogs of unreason, it can end almost anywhere.

I don't know why you are scared siglinde, you sound as though you are being rather irrational in this. The things you seem to indicate you are scared of are not in any policy document or manifesto of UKIP's that i have read, so tell me where you get this idea from?

I think their ideas on taxation are interesting, lower tax gives everyone more say in their own lives, which is something i support.

All of the policies and manifesto's that lay everything out very clearly are on their website and easy to find.