Justice for Men and Boys - Isn't this exactly why we need feminism

[wickeddevil]

Heard Justice for Men and Boys Founder Mike Buccanan on Womens Hour earlier today complaining that men pay 72% of all income tax.
Well isn't that because they have more income?

And instead of complaining about the feminist agenda doesn't it demonstrate why we need it?

Fugged ? Seriously ?

Vadark - would you care to validate any of that mishmash you put up there?

Men suffer more work related deaths than women because more women are home looking after the children. Feminism wants to change that.

The government policy for residency after the split of the parents is "continuity of care" - feeling that the courts favour women is purely because most women are the caregivers for their children. Can you provide any evidence for "courts favouring women"? other than this? I don't think so.

Sexual crime/harassment is recognised as a gendered crime - so don't be ridiculous.

"These men have a right to just sleep with women with no consequences, right?"

No consequences like having no say in the decision of an abortion and then having to pay for 18 years for something he didn't want when just because one of the consenting adults lied about being on the pill?

Or perhaps no consequence like being kicked out of the house when the kid is 2 years old by someone who has met another man or decided to make accusations that the courts will act upon and destroy the Father's life?

Or maybe no consequence like the child actually being someone else's but then being mentally scarred when he finds out later?

Hmmm, I think every time a man sleeps with a woman, he should be careful.

Hey, we agree ! Men should be careful, careful to get consent, careful to put a condom on, careful to look after a life they created, careful they don't pass on any nasty little diseases.

"...nothing disgusts him more than men who won't look after their children and treat women like second class citizens."

Same here. We should all treat each other equally. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be on everyone's agenda.

Is this some kind of Mike / Vardark tag team?

I think every time a man sleeps with a woman, he should be careful.

YY to that! I think he might be getting it!

"Thanks for pointing out just how tough life is for men. What can we women do to help ?
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Yes, life is pretty tough on men, but unfortunately you don't recognise this because it doesn't affect you. I guess if you really wanted to help then you could start by listening.

I think maybe a Daily-Misogynist reader has been brought here...

It's a shame, isn't it? They try so hard.

Now you've gone and ruined the consensus we appeared to have reached. How disappointing yet predictable.

You know Vadark, my mum and dad started having sex in the '60s. I didn't necessarily Want to know this, but I was told. They realised that the any time they had sex it was a possibilty, no matter what the contraception used, that a child would be conceived. They agreed that it was both of their responsibilities to deal with that if it occurred, and that they would be both responsible for any life they created together.

Now, if my parents understood this in the '60s, why can the men of today not understand this? Why are you asking for them to be abdicated of any responsibility?

But how are we women making it tough on men?

Come on Norma. We steal their jobs, we steal their children, we kill their children, we destroy their pride and masculinity.

We also appear to mock the ones who deserve it. Oops.

So my friend who got herpes and pregnant by some 28year old man"

That's her fault as much as his, yes.

"...sobbed and threatened to kill himself if she didn't abort, that was her fault I suppose."

Well, you see, a woman has a choice and a man doesn't. If a woman chooses to abort, society sees her in a sensative light with no shame. Where as a man is deemed to be a deadbeat! I'm not wrong.

"And she refused and is now raising their child entirely on her own with no support from him or anyone,"

But it was HER choice to have the accident baby.

"and he's running around telling everyone that she won't "let him" see their DD when in reality he has never called her or tried to see the baby."

It sounds about right, though, doesn't it - that she won't alow him to see the baby. I mean, that is what happens isn't it!

"Obviously she's a nasty 'ho who tricked him into it."

I guess everybody knows she made a mistake. But it was 50% HER mistake and 100% HER choice. What choices did he have?

"I'm finally starting to see the light!
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So are many men.

We steal their children we tricked them into having anyway Am I right? Biatches.

I think you should try celibacy. It would set such a powerful example.

Vadark, as illuminating as it's been, I actually don't enjoy reading your misguided, bitter posts so time to say thank you but goodbye. Perhaps you've taken on Mike's debating style which is no style at all but simply an outpouring of bitterness and misinformation.

Doesn't really demonstrate a willingness to engage, does it ?

"Oh dear. I don't think I want to be one of those nasty women anymore."

There's nothing stopping you changing.

"You've persuaded me with your educated, informed and well meaning posts."

Great.

"Why don't you men get together and beat us over our mean, calculating little heads ? Perhaps you could show us our place in the bedroom, the classroom, the boardroom. Maybe you could abuse us, beat us, humiliate us, rape us, kill us."

No. I don't want that. I want equality, just like you.

"Or maybe you could stop with the self pity, the bleating and whinging and open your eyes to the reality of a patriarchal society and take some fecking responsibility for your own actions and the consequences."

No self pity required. Just a long, laborious edification task ahead. And most men do indeed provide and protect and love and care and would like to share responsibility.
It sounds like you are stereotyping.

If he called her and asked if he could come over and see his child, she would say yes. He has never done.

I would never have an abortion. Ever. Unless our lives were in danger. I'm not saying this is right for all women but it certainly is for me. I couldn't face it. Nor can I take hormonal birth control. Everyone I've ever had sex with has been aware of these things.

Why is him giving her herpes her fault? He knew he had them, she didn't.

Oh...and I suppose my rapist didn't know that I wouldn't abort. Luckily I didn't get pregnant by him.

Hey Valdark why don't you just reverse the post you just wrote? And see how ridiculous it is? And ask yourself whether women don't need to be looked after like that? Perhaps, just perhaps, women would like to be seen as humans of equal status to men?

"Vadark - would you care to validate any of that mishmash you put up there?"

No problem.

"Men suffer more work related deaths than women because more women are home looking after the children. Feminism wants to change that."

Where would you rather be then? With the 95% of work-related deaths group?

"The government policy for residency after the split of the parents is "continuity of care" - feeling that the courts favour women is purely because most women are the caregivers for their children. Can you provide any evidence for "courts favouring women"? other than this? I don't think so."

There is lots of evidence to suggest that courts favour women against men. There are a million links. I'll give you one to read, but they're all the same conclusion - i.e. the family justice system favours women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/9350113/Family-justice-can-favour-mothers-and-demoralise-fathers.html

"Sexual crime/harassment is recognised as a gendered crime - so don't be ridiculous."

So women can't sexually harass a man? Ridiculous? I think not.

OK - so Vadark wants to take away women's autonomy over their own bodies. That's a surprise.

Oh, hang on a minute...

Choice 1: do or don't have sex
Choice 2: do or don't use contraception you have applied to/for yourself
Choice 3: do or don't take drugs or undergo a surgical procedure

1 and 2 - men can apply at will.
And if you don't know that 3 cannot, will not and should not ever be your decision because, y'know, it isn't your body, you really should have stopped at 1 and decided not to have sex.

Erm your evidence article seems to be in the letters page from the telegraph. Could you link to something a bit more, well, statistical or factual that shows that the courts are favouring women rather than ensuring continuity of care?