Justice for Men and Boys - Isn't this exactly why we need feminism

[wickeddevil]

Heard Justice for Men and Boys Founder Mike Buccanan on Womens Hour earlier today complaining that men pay 72% of all income tax.
Well isn't that because they have more income?

And instead of complaining about the feminist agenda doesn't it demonstrate why we need it?

Valdark:- "There is lots of evidence to suggest that courts favour women against men. There are a million links. I'll give you one to read, but they're all the same conclusion - i.e. the family justice system favours women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/9350113/Family-justice-can-favour-mothers-and-demoralise-fathers.html"

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/9350113/Family-justice-can-favour-mothers-and-demoralise-fathers.html

I am sorry, but EVIDENCE = TELEGRAPH LETTERS PAGE has made my evening and so I am off to bed with a smile on my face.

"Hey, we agree ! Men should be careful, careful to get consent"

And do you think women should get consent before they screw a guy for 18 years worth of child support?

"careful to put a condom on"

Agree. But what about the women who WANT to be single Mothers and get state benefits and DON'T want him to put a condom on?

"careful to look after a life they created"

Only if they BOTH agree they WANT to. If the woman wants an abortion, well, that's fine isn't it, even if he doesn't. But, yes, she carries it, so she gets all the choices. He gets the crappy end of the stick. But you don't care and I don't suppose you ever will.

"careful they don't pass on any nasty little diseases"

Strange, I thought women could pass on these little nasties. Are you telling me that only men pass them on? Perhaps you should google the stats.

It's like the bingo of derailment 101 on here.

Night night all

"Why are you asking for them to be abdicated of any responsibility?"

Point me to where I have said this?

Um...I'm not a man and don't personally have a penis. But if some woman insisted I not wear a condom I'm pretty sure I'd be smart enough not to have sex with her.

As I said before, every person I had sex with (besides the rape) knew me well enough to know that I cannot take birth control and would not abort. Is that "consent" enough for you?

"Doesn't really demonstrate a willingness to engage, does it ?"

I will engage, but will you listen? Probably not. Instead, I predict shaming tactics and other off-topic nonsense.

I just thought this post of Doctrine should be repeated here - as he hasn't addressed it:

"Choice 1: do or don't have sex
Choice 2: do or don't use contraception you have applied to/for yourself
Choice 3: do or don't take drugs or undergo a surgical procedure

1 and 2 - men can apply at will.
And if you don't know that 3 cannot, will not and should not ever be your decision because, y'know, it isn't your body, you really should have stopped at 1 and decided not to have sex."

"Oh...and I suppose my rapist didn't know that I wouldn't abort."

I truly understand your bitterness. This is very bad and I'm extremely sorry to read this line.

Please understand that the vast majority of men are not like that.

Would the majority of men recognise this?

"Choice 1: do or don't have sex
Choice 2: do or don't use contraception you have applied to/for yourself
Choice 3: do or don't take drugs or undergo a surgical procedure

1 and 2 - men can apply at will.
And if you don't know that 3 cannot, will not and should not ever be your decision because, y'know, it isn't your body, you really should have stopped at 1 and decided not to have sex."

"OK - so Vadark wants to take away women's autonomy over their own bodies. That's a surprise.

Oh, hang on a minute..."

Nope, you're wrong. I just want equality. Do you?

Vadark wants equality. Who believes him?

"EVIDENCE = TELEGRAPH LETTERS PAGE"

What real people think and feel is evidence, yes. And there is plenty of it.

I don't believe Vadark wants equality. Does anyone?

"Um...I'm not a man and don't personally have a penis. But if some woman insisted I not wear a condom I'm pretty sure I'd be smart enough not to have sex with her."

After 10 pints of beer and after having been told she was on the pill, or perhaps after they'd been together for a while??? Come on.

Vadark - you don't seem to be able to answer Doctrine's post ?

You understand her bitterness ? How fucking humane of you. How about recognising her generosity in sharing that information in an attempt to open your eyes ? How about recognising that she knows that not all men are rapists , only rapists are ? Sorry, Cheerful to talk about you but that one rankled.

"As I said before, every person I had sex with (besides the rape) knew me well enough to know that I cannot take birth control and would not abort. Is that "consent" enough for you?"

For me, yes. For many men, unfortunately not. I guess men are vunerable in these cases and could be easily led. But once they're up the path, their choices diminish to nothing and they get taken advantage of. Who recognises them when they're in that situation?

telegraphs letters page is obviously the absolute truth isn't it?

"Vadark wants equality. Who believes him?"

Show me one post where I've said men should get more than women. Show me.

Give me a reason why people should think I don't want equality.

Oh, I see. Men are vulnerable and can be easily led.

And here I was thinking they are just as capable of rational thought as I am.

For me, yes. For many men, unfortunately not. I guess men are vunerable in these cases and could be easily led. But once they're up the path, their choices diminish to nothing and they get taken advantage of. Who recognises them when they're in that situation?

Oh come on - it's the women who are vulnerable, taken advantage of, or even raped. And them who are left with the consequences of being called a slut, loose or being pregnant.

"Choice 1: do or don't have sex
Choice 2: do or don't use contraception you have applied to/for yourself
Choice 3: do or don't take drugs or undergo a surgical procedure

1 and 2 - men can apply at will.
And if you don't know that 3 cannot, will not and should not ever be your decision because, y'know, it isn't your body, you really should have stopped at 1 and decided not to have sex."

All these choices apply to women too. So why do so many women choose to have sex and then deprive Father's of their rights? Perhaps women should learn to plug it up??? Is that what you'd say to a man? Probably.

"Vadark wants equality. Who believes him?"

Show me one post where I've said men should get more than women. Show me.

Er... oh look, all your posts here tonight. Or do I have to c&p them all?

I honestly do not know a single man who has been "deprived of his rights". How many women do I know raising children by men who promised they'd be around, promised they'd be good fathers, promised they'd support them, and then did none of it? A LOT.

"You understand her bitterness ? How fucking humane of you. How about recognising her generosity in sharing that information in an attempt to open your eyes ? How about recognising that she knows that not all men are rapists , only rapists are ? Sorry, Cheerful to talk about you but that one rankled."

Hmmm, you are resorting to tactics that show you are frustrated and crumbling. Talk about facts please. I spoke in recognition of an appalling crime and you turn it around on me. You are as transparent as glass.