Justice for Men and Boys - Isn't this exactly why we need feminism

[wickeddevil]

Heard Justice for Men and Boys Founder Mike Buccanan on Womens Hour earlier today complaining that men pay 72% of all income tax.
Well isn't that because they have more income?

And instead of complaining about the feminist agenda doesn't it demonstrate why we need it?

How in all seriousness can you use those stats re income tax and not see that that all they do is highlight one of the main reasons for feminism being necessary ?

Men earn more so pay more. Trust me, as a woman, I'd be happy to pay my share and see the figures at 50/50. Men don't pay the bulk of income tax because they're fine upstanding fellows helping out society. They pay more because they have the better jobs on the whole, they don't stop work to look after their children on the whole, they don't take on part time roles on the whole, they don't do the crappy menial jobs that women are prepared to take on the whole.

When are you going to accept that it's not the best statistic to prove your point as all it does is undermine it ?

And this isn't an introduction agency so perhaps you'd be better trying to contact the lady in question using another medium.

Good evening. You might be interested in our latest two blog posts. One concerns the radically different attitudes of the authorities towards supporting homeless men and women, the other links to a woman's blog post about a sexual assault of a young man by four older women.

Mike Buchanan

JUSTICE FOR MEN & BOYS
(and the women who love them)

Good evening Mike and how are you?

I'm interested in the picture you chose for the cover of your book. What made you go for that particular image?

Hi Sabrina. I've been asked that a number of times. Militant feminism has been the only form of feminism of any political consequence for 30+ years in the UK, it's an ugly and evil ideology which attacks most of the pillars of a civilised society - marriage, the nuclear family, education, government, the justice system, the education system... - so what better than an image of something ugly and evil, i.e. a vampire?

Mike Buchanan
ANTI-FEMINISM LEAGUE

Any 'pillars of society' broken down by feminism needed to be broken down in order for equality of the sexes to exist - votes for women, equal pay, sex discrimination. The list is huge.

The lives of me, my mother, my grandmother have been transformed by feminism - so, no, I don't agree that it is ugly and evil.

Your book cover, and your campaign, demonises women, not the feminist movement.

Honest question for you Mike. What do you actually hope to achieve here, telling a group of women that you think what we stand for and who we are is evil and harming men? What kind of response do you actually want? Because I can't imagine why you're posting here apart from to deliberately goad us, to what purpose I'm not sure. I mean, you don't think you can actually get one single member of this forum to agree with you or support your campaign, do you?

"The lives of me, my mother, my grandmother have been transformed by feminism...."

You haven't fully transformed yet. Wait until things are truly equal - you'll know when you're there when you are expected to fight on the front line, do all the dangerous, risky, dirty, unsociable jobs in society, surrender your female privilege, be made to look like useless, good-for-nothing morons on the TV, lose custody of your kids like men do, go to jail for the same length of time that a man does (for the same crime), get demonised as sexual predators etc. etc. etc.

I don't think you really understand where you've been, let alone understand where you're heading.

"I mean, you don't think you can actually get one single member of this forum to agree with you or support your campaign, do you?"

If you love your Fathers, Sons, Brothers etc. then why not? Don't you like men or boys?

"They pay more because they have the better jobs on the whole"

What, like coal mining, roadworking, heavy industrial and infrastructure works, front-line soldiers or refuse collectors?

"they don't stop work to look after their children on the whole"

I know a lot of men who would like the opportunity to do that.

"they don't take on part time roles on the whole"

Is that because women take all those jobs?

"they don't do the crappy menial jobs that women are prepared to take on the whole"

Like lorry drivers? Or road sweepers? Or labourers? The number of menial jobs has doubled in the last 5 years.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166241/Number-graduates-menial-jobs-doubles-years.html

Who do you think will get the "crappy" end of the stick here?

I do love men and boys. Well, I love my husband and son certainly. But I have to say I am far, far more worried about my daughter who will be born next month.

So the men who are found to be the biological fathers of these children through this mandatory DNA tests, they will be forced to pay child support? Is that correct, Mike?

And what exactly will decriminalizing prostitution do?

"You haven't fully transformed yet."

You're right there. Feminism isn't a done deal yet. It continues...

"Wait until things are truly equal - you'll know when you're there when you are expected to fight on the front line, do all the dangerous, risky, dirty, unsociable jobs in society, surrender your female privilege, be made to look like useless, good-for-nothing morons on the TV"

Women do plenty of dirty, front line (and low paid ) jobs - nursing, carers, cleaning, teaching, part time, etc. Many of which carry a risk of abuse, and of course, sexual harassment, just because we're women. Feminism fights traditional male/female sex roles

"lose custody of your kids like men do,"

Men lose custody of their children, largely, because they leave them. The female is generally the main caregiver to children, and the family courts, generally, go for a 'continuity of care'. Again, feminism asks that men have equal responsibility for their children - hence in the event of a split, care of the children would be more 50-50

"go to jail for the same length of time that a man does (for the same crime), get demonised as sexual predators etc. etc. etc."

Women, in general, get higher jail sentences, and are more likely to get a custodial sentence for the same crime, as men - according to Baronness Helena Kennedy Eve Was Framed. They are treated more harshly by the justice system. As for sexual offences - the vast, vast majority of victims of sexual offences are women. Men are victims, but even then, the vast majority of the perpetrators are men.

And honestly I'm sick of this "men don't have a choice". They do. DO NOT SLEEP WITH THE WOMAN. Done.

Get it snipped or keep it zipped.

Oh, welcome to Mumsnet Vadark

Hope you enjoy looking around the site.

Oh, cheerfulyank - don't be silly. These men have a right to just sleep with women with no consequences, right? Oh, wait...

Oh of course, silly me! And of course they're entitled to go in condom-free as well!

Good lord. I am going to squeeze the daylights out of my husband when he gets home from work...nothing disgusts him more than men who won't look after their children and treat women like second class citizens.

Hiya Vardak, nice to meet your acquaintance. Thanks for your considered and measured post. Thanks for pointing out just how tough life is for men. What can we women do to help ?

Seeing as we have all the power and such.

Yes, Cheerful, and if they catch anything, it's because the woman is a slut.

I bloody love mumnset sometimes!

Vadark tried to link to the Daily Hate as well - oh dear.

Anyone want to look up what the Daily Hate has to say? I don't...

So my friend who got herpes and pregnant by some 28year old man child who came over and begged and sobbed and threatened to kill himself if she didn't abort, that was her fault I suppose. And she refused and is now raising their child entirely on her own with no support from him or anyone, and he's running around telling everyone that she won't "let him" see their DD when in reality he has never called her or tried to see the baby.

Obviously she's a nasty 'ho who tricked him into it. I'm finally starting to see the light!

"Women do plenty of dirty, front line (and low paid ) jobs - nursing, carers, cleaning, teaching, part time, etc. Many of which carry a risk of abuse, and of course, sexual harassment, just because we're women. Feminism fights traditional male/female sex roles"

Why are 95% of work related deaths men then?

"Men lose custody of their children, largely, because they leave them."

No. Men are more likely to be kicked out of their home and society always favours the female side of the story.

"and the family courts, generally, go for a 'continuity of care'"

but according to you, men have all the power and money, so why would the courts support the female carer (possibly supported by benefits) in favour of a male carer?

"feminism asks that men have equal responsibility for their children"

But the only "responsibility" that many men are granted is to pay for their children. Where as women actually get main custody. Feminism appears to be unfair from where I'm looking.

"Women, in general, get higher jail sentences"

for the same crime? No. Untrue. Women are treated far less harshly for the same crime. More women kill their children than men do. Vastly more. But many get away with it based on mental stability reasons. Men don't.

"As for sexual offences - the vast, vast majority of victims of sexual offences are women. Men are victims, but even then, the vast majority of the perpetrators are men."

Maybe society, people, the media, men etc. simply don't report it, or their level of acceptance is different? I think you'll find that, like domestic violence, the truth will come out in the next few years. It will be interesting. Read this, but I agree that nobody knows for certain.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8022861.stm

I'm sure Mike will come back on with a really good answer fo you, Cheerful

"DO NOT SLEEP WITH THE WOMAN. Done."

But then humans can't reproduce and survive as a species. You'll have to think of something else.

"Get it snipped or keep it zipped."

I guess you, too could keep it plugged and you won't get fugged" :-)

Oh dear. I don't think I want to be one of those nasty women anymore. You've persuaded me with your educated, informed and well meaning posts.

Why don't you men get together and beat us over our mean, calculating little heads ? Perhaps you could show us our place in the bedroom, the classroom, the boardroom. Maybe you could abuse us, beat us, humiliate us, rape us, kill us.

Or maybe you could stop with the self pity, the bleating and whinging and open your eyes to the reality of a patriarchal society and take some fecking responsibility for your own actions and the consequences.

But thanks for moving the debate along.