Justice for Men and Boys - Isn't this exactly why we need feminism

[wickeddevil]

Heard Justice for Men and Boys Founder Mike Buccanan on Womens Hour earlier today complaining that men pay 72% of all income tax.
Well isn't that because they have more income?

And instead of complaining about the feminist agenda doesn't it demonstrate why we need it?

He was an idiot. I gave him no reason to doubt. When he eventually did take a paternity test, it was proven that he was my DD's father. He was an idiot. HE missed out, by his own choice, on 12 years of his DD's life.

"Men fight wars on behalf of humanity
What an utter crock of shit. If you think that what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq is anything to do with humanity and nothing to do with corporate interests you are even more stupid than you appear. "

And as the White Knight swoops in, his cape flapping elegantly in the wind, he lands gently on the sidewalk, bulging muscles flexing, tanned torso glistening, as his piercing blue eyes and sparkling white smile sends a shiver down the spine of Vadark. The women he lands amongst begin to swoon and gasp at the superhero's presence and they suddenly feel all cuddly and warm as their saviour winks and smirks just as the moonlight catches his flicked back waving hair. "Hey, ladies, (in a deep, sexy voice) step aside and let me deal with this. Allow me for one moment to offer you my services as the Great Protector of women only. Allow me to side with you and battle against this pathetic excuse of a man, Vadark. I will show you what a real man is made of. I will make you feel all nice and cuddly again, but in return, please, I'm begging you, please love and worship me forever. Tell me how much you love me and perhaps you girlies could even fight over me and make me feel tall, strong and wanted. Perhaps you could even go absolutely wild and show uncontrollable cravings for even more my heroic behaviour and perhaps wink, wink you could even rub some coconut oil into by bulging chest later on tonight wink, wink"

Nicholas - grow up and educate yourself. Corporate interests are nothing more than a modern-day manifestation of good old-fashioned greed, which has pervaded in various guises throughout all of history. Wars are an unfortunate consequence of evolving civilisations and Afghanistan and Iraq are no exception to the rule. it's very unfortunate that people get caught up in wars but it's something that we'll have to accept while we have greedy, selfish people in the World. And it IS mostly men that end up fighting these wars. Like I said, if the World was full of women only, I can assure you that there would still be wars. It's just that they would no longer have men to do the dirty work for them. I'm not wrong.

"I'm at a loss to understand why you keep coming back, seeing as every time you post you get mauled and schooled"

I don't think so somehow. Not one person has been able to supply a list of things that women can't do, that I can. Can you? I'd also like to see a list of inequalities against women in the UK today. A list that doesn't contain nonsense like "we can't get onto Boards and we need quotas to help us". A list that isn't a "we want our cake and eat it" list in disguise.

Yes, I DID ascertain BEFORE we had sex that he would never try to force me to have a termination, and I gave him the opportunity to walk away from our relationship at that point if he was not happy with that. Just as I am teaching ALL my DC's, boys and girl, to do.

Vadark's posts remind me of a Mitchell and Webb sketch about phone-ins.... 'maybe you don't know anything about the subject at all, but I bet you reckon something, so why not call in and let us feel the full force of your ill informed reckonings'

The man DID have a choice - not to have sex if he wasn't willing to accept that there was a risk of having a child. All he had to do was make the choice NOT to have sex. Not that difficult a decision. I find it unlikely (note unlikely, not impossible) that the woman raped him, therefore he had a choice.

he Great Protector of women only.

Ha ha ha.

There's no chance of what you are describing happening, as I have and am bringing my DS's up to think BEFORE they have sex about whether they are willing to accept the fact that every sexual encounter can create a new life that they will be financially, morally and emotionally responsible for.

"If the figures for female on male dv are around the same as male on female dv are they? Yet on average, 2 women per week are killed by their partner or ex partner. The figures for male victims of dv are nowhere near this high. Why the disparity?

Male murder victims are predominantly killed by other men - not women.

Two women per week dead at the hands of their partners. Counting Dead Women by Karen Ingala-Smith"

Shall we talk about stats surrounding parent killers?

Screwing the guy over? Banning a man from seeing his DC? Not in my realms of experience, bar one case where the father was so physically abusive to her in front of her DC's (which also becomes abuse of those DC's, if they have witnessed this) that SS have told her that if she allows him to see them, SHE will lose them to FC. And I know a LOT of separated parents. The starting point for them all is a minimum of a midweek overnight, EOW and half of all school holidays for the NRP. And the NRP is NOT always the mother in my experience - but it IS always the person who was the main carer before the relationship breakdown, in order to preserve continuity FOR THE CHILDREN.

What lawfully bound protection does he need if he chooses not to have sex with someone because he doesn't agree with their views on termination?

Shall we talk about the statistics surrounding child sexual abuse, vadark?

From the NSPCC: "Killings of children by a natural parent are committed in roughly equal proportions by mothers (47%) and fathers (53%), but where the child is killed by someone other than a [birth] parent, males strongly predominate".

My DS's won't get 'screwed by the system', as they have been brought up (despite me not being with their fathers) to know that their fathers are as much a part of their life as I am, and that it is normal to pay maintenance for your DC's.

My DS1 also knows that the courts do NOT 'screw fathers over'. Up until an incident with his SM, he was spending 45% of his time with his father, 55% with me. He now sees his father far less, as he is unable to go to his father's house (not my choice btw), and his father is CHOOSING to only see him for 4 hours a fortnight. I would be happy if he took him out far more than that, as I can see the effects that not having as much contact with his dad is having on him.

Unfortunately, as much as the courts can AND DO make decent contact orders for fathers, there is no such way of forcing an unwilling man to visit his DC.

I just cannot see that what you are saying is true - but maybe that's because I have personal experience of being brought up by my DAD, who was a Lone Parent to me, WAY back in the 80's & 90's. Even then, the main carer was often awarded residency - my mother worked, my dad was a SAHP, therefore to preserve continuity for me, I stayed resident with my DAD.

So frankly, I think you're talking bollocks, mate.

Of course she would have to tell the father if she had a termination - I have brought her up to do what is MORALLY right.

However, her TELLING him does not give him a right to turn her into a human incubator if he wishes her to continue with the pregnancy.

It is HER body.

couthy, vadark thinks that wimmin screw men over. He cannot recognise that women are equal human beings with autonomy over their own bodies now. After all, legally, this wasn't always the case.

I simply can't get through all your posts. Shucks guys you have me beaten. Your gang-up tactics and the shear number of you posting insults and shaming tactics along with rambling blah blah non-logic is truly an outstanding feat of modern-day feminism. And the guy, well, what can I say? What an absolute hero of the day. He should be Knighted. Oops, sorry, forgot he's already a white knight and, shush, please don't tell him but I'm so, soooo envious that you all lurve him to bits. Jeeez.

Goes off in a jealous rage...and not sure if you'll see me again, I'm just sooo deflated by the way you all trounced me with those blisteringly fast delivered facts. They just came flying through. Completely outwitted by Mr. Superhero too. Wow. So cool.

Night, night....

"Hey, listen, when a woman entices a man to have sex and gets his seed inside her body and then has FULL choice over the outcome, don't talk to me about control of someone's body!!!!"

SNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORT!!!

'Entices'?! Pahahaha. Are you saying men are soooooo weak that they cannot resist being 'enticed'? If so, why isn't EVERY man 44 stone in weight then, if they are sooooo weak willed that they can't resist being 'enticed'.

Seriously?!

OF COURSE A WONAN GETS FULL CHOICE OVER THE OUTCOME, IT IS HER BODY THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH PREGNANCY AND CHILDBIRTH, AND IT IS HER BODY THAT WOULD GAVE TO GO THROUGH EITHER A HORMONAL TERMINATION OR A SURGICAL TERMINATION.

DUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHH.

The man whose 'seed' has fertilised the woman had the choice to exert control when he CHOSE to fertilise the woman with his 'seed'. He could have chosen NOT to...

'His seed' is of overriding importance you see - more important than the woman's choice over what happens to HER body.

Not.

I think some (hopefully few) men, and even some women do think that women's bodies are mere vessels for the male seed.

IMO (I'm pro-choice, but it's NOT for me), a baby is a human life from the moment of conception.

Hence if I 'popped a pill' as you say, in my mind I would be committing infanticide. (Not saying that I think this of others who do make that choice, it's just how I feel, about me.)

It would be equivalent TO ME of giving my 2yo, my 9yo, my 11yo or my 15yo a cyanide pill.

I have never been able to do it, and would never be able to do it, except in VERY certain circumstances - but tbh I'd probably even struggle then. Rape and a disability that was incompatible with life. That's it. And I'm not sure I would go through with it even then.

So to some women, it's absolutely NOT as simple as 'popping a pill'.

Because I personally feel so strongly about it, I have NEVER had sex without fully explaining my position on termination to any prospective partner.

If they choose to sleep with me anyway, they are accepting that that sexual encounter could possibly make them a father.

If they don't accept that, then they shouldn't have sex with me. Which I also tell them.

Their CHOICE.

"The only sure fire 100% way not to have a baby is not to have sex" - Couthy
"yeah, but that's not an option for the sake of humanity." -Vadark

Humanity continues if people have babies. Actually carry, give birth to and raise them.

If you don't want a baby right now, then you are not in the business of propagating humanity right now. Indeed, your argument is that, if a foetus is accidentally created, you as the man have the right to require the woman to abort it. So whether the sex was had and the abortion followed, or whether no sex was had, no further human was created.

Neither of those options does much "for the sake of humanity", but only one doesn't involve one person claiming rights over the other's bodily autonomy.

Course celibacy is an option, I've chosen that as my chosen option for now, as I am not willing to fall pregnant again.

I'm a healthy woman in my early 30's, who has a very high sex drive.

If I can do it, you can.

I have chosen celibacy to ENSURE that I don't have any more children, as I am adamant that I do but want any more, then how is that 'not an option'?

If you don't want to risk having a child, don't have sex.

I'm not saying this from some la-di-da perspective, it is a serious suggestion, from someone who is actually MAKING that choice because they want to ensure they have no more children.

Same here Couthy. Every consensual sexual partner I've ever had has known I wouldn't terminate.

And don't be rude to Nick.

Men telling women to have abortions and women following through is not an option for the sake of humanity either Vadark.