Justice for Men and Boys - Isn't this exactly why we need feminism

[wickeddevil]

Heard Justice for Men and Boys Founder Mike Buccanan on Womens Hour earlier today complaining that men pay 72% of all income tax.
Well isn't that because they have more income?

And instead of complaining about the feminist agenda doesn't it demonstrate why we need it?

Where is the list?

Sigmund - here you go. Jezebel puts it very well. Something new for you to fisk, vadark. Do enjoy it.

Also, why don't you think about why this sort of thing can happen, if it's all about the wimmin?

Did it ever occur to you that this sort of thing, or the Lord Rennard stories of hushed up sexual harassment, or the SWP kangaroo court rape trial brushing it under the carpet, might just put women off going for jobs in public office?

Oh yes women are very selfish for talking about women.

They should be talking about men.

The way men are always talking about women's issues.

Men never stop going on and on and on about how they're fighting for women's equality, do they? They bore me sometimes, how hard they try. All that writing to their MP's, lobbying, donating to refuges, marching in the street against male violence against women and children.

Oh, hang on...

No, men don't do that, do they? And they're not expected to. It's considered perfectly socially acceptable for men to sneer at women's aspirations for equality. Or to pretend that we're already equal. They don't have to start talking about how policies might affect women and children when they talk about policies, or how xyz affects women when they talk about anything really.

But get a woman to focus on something that isn't all about the men, and the needy inadequate ones will accuse her of selfishness.

That's how egotistical these MRA's are.

Cheers, doctrine

I'm off to read the funny thread in S&B now

Have women threatened to rape you Mike Buchanan and sock puppet?

Because that's what men do to women who speak out in favour of women's equality.

"Also, why don't you think about why this sort of thing can happen, if it's all about the wimmin?"

If this story was televised with a live audience, do you think the audience would laugh. I doubt it.

Whereas the woman who cut off her husband's genitals had her story televised and the audience howled with laughter. What do you make of that?

"Did it ever occur to you that this sort of thing, or the Lord Rennard stories of hushed up sexual harassment, or the SWP kangaroo court rape trial brushing it under the carpet, might just put women off going for jobs in public office?"

I can kind of see the point you're raising. Can you see why men are scarred to be teachers in primary schools? Can you see why they might be put off marrying and having kids given the circumstances they are likely to find hemselves in?

Why isn't male genital mutilation raised as an issue? Sorry, digressed again.

You haven't read the stuff women say on Facebook, Reddit and the like have you? That's the only reason I can think of that would make you so certain that only men make hideous comments.

And how many men make these comments? At a guess? All of them? Half of them? Some of them? A handful of them? I'm guessing A handful, maybe some. Does that make it OK? No. Does it mean I'm going to concern myself with the comments of some arseholes? No.

I get plenty of vile abuse for speaking up for men's issues, from women AND men. I just let it wash over me, what's the point in getting het up about it?

basil, entirely up to you but I think you may wasting your "breath" here. You could have a more intelligent debate with a sandwich.

Thanks running, I've already read it. I wasn't particularly impressed by it first time around, and it definitely isn't worthy of a second reading. Too much petulant bleating for my taste. All very stereo-typically girly and whiny.

You're welcome sigmund. Saw you getting a bit outraged on the other thread because a poster dared to put a feminist blog up in the feminist section.

"Oh yes women are very selfish for talking about women
They should be talking about men."

They should be talking about EVERYONE. If they aren't then they're selfishly motivated.

"Men never stop going on and on and on about how they're fighting for women's equality, do they?"

More men fight for women's equality than women do for men!

"They bore me sometimes, how hard they try. All that writing to their MP's, lobbying, donating to refuges, marching in the street against male violence against women and children."

There you go again. You equate women with children. How patronising for women. And in the same sentence you exclude men as if they're the evil perpetrators all of the time.

Oh, hang on...

"No, men don't do that, do they? And they're not expected to. It's considered perfectly socially acceptable for men to sneer at women's aspirations for equality."

Doh! women ALREADY have equality.

"Or to pretend that we're already equal. They don't have to start talking about how policies might affect women and children when they talk about policies, or how xyz affects women when they talk about anything really."

Women and children in the same sentence again. Have you noticed recently that fewer and fewer news articles (particularly the BBC) are referencing the amount of "women and children" that are killed or injured as part of a tragedy? They used to, back when they were ignorant. But now, they realise it is a sexist feministic propaganda tactic designed to make men look like the worthless brute who doesn't feel pain as he ends his disposable life.

"That's how egotistical these MRA's are."

MRA's will always tell you that they want equality. Show me evidence of a feminist preaching equality for women AND men.

I implore you to read runnings link very carefully. It is amazing.

I truly despair at your lack of critical thinking Vadark and Sig ; for a few lines you seem so close to joining the dots but you then lose it!

All these things you are concerned with exist in a world without equality. Feminism has not finished (barely even begun in some places). When it has progressed further, things will be better for everyone. No portrayal of female-on-male violence as funny on TV, no expectation of men to be white knights, jobs 50/50, no men in adverts being made to look like idiots who can't cook, look after kids, make decisions etc.

Equal support and access for health (mental and physical) to address the suicide and cancer issues. By the way 'equal' does not mean the same i.e. £1billion on breast cancer vs. £1billion on prostate cancer. The money goes to where the need is; you wouldn't spend the same amount when one issue is more prevalent than the other obvs.

The problems that you are concerned about (the ones that actually exist, anyway) can only be helped by feminism. I have a son and I'm hoping he has a future where he can be a SAHD, a ballerina, a footballer, a soldier or nursery nurse without prejudice. My agenda supports this.

"basil, entirely up to you but I think you may wasting your "breath" here. You could have a more intelligent debate with a sandwich."

Resorting to insults is a sign of subjugation. Grow up.

No - a feminist blog on MN? How awful! Better pop an MRA one up 'for balance' a la the BBC. Oh I see someone already has

Oh dear - whine whine whine.

'The wimmin are being mean to me.'

For the record I am strongly against mutilation of the penis and vagina too. As are the vast majority of feminists so please don't pretend we love to harvest baby boys' scrotums for a giggle.

'Saw you getting a bit outraged on the other thread because a poster dared to put a feminist blog up in the feminist section.'

Not at all, why would I? Somebody said that all MRA's should read it. I was merely pointing out that they had, and evidenced that point. No outrage, I'm very calm

Incidentally, I read it a week or so ago on Jezebel.con* , not in FWR today.

*typo intentional

Vadark : "Doh, women already have equality".

Woah, woah, woah....I'm out. Mistakenly thought it had some intelligence.

"No portrayal of female-on-male violence as funny on TV, no expectation of men to be white knights, jobs 50/50, no men in adverts being made to look like idiots who can't cook, look after kids, make decisions etc."

Show me evidence of where feminists have fought for these causes? Show me.

"Equal support and access for health (mental and physical) to address the suicide and cancer issues. By the way 'equal' does not mean the same i.e. £1billion on breast cancer vs. £1billion on prostate cancer. The money goes to where the need is; you wouldn't spend the same amount when one issue is more prevalent than the other obvs."

Sounds great. What have you done to push us all in the right direction? Where have you raised these concerns on the internet. Link it.

"The problems that you are concerned about (the ones that actually exist, anyway) can only be helped by feminism."

Show me how feminism has begun to help.

"I have a son and I'm hoping he has a future where he can be a SAHD, a ballerina, a footballer, a soldier or nursery nurse without prejudice. My agenda supports this."

I guarantee that your Son is still too young to understand all of this stuff. Wait until he's old enough to recognise the shear amount of inequalities and double-standards that pervade society. He's sure to straighten up your thinking. Especially if he gets taken advantage of by your future daughter-in-law. Think about it.

mmmm sandwiches

"Oh dear - whine whine whine."

Insults again. Shows that you have nothing factual to add and that you're clearly ont a loser. Quit while you only look half stupid.

YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Wed 10-Apr-13 23:33:58
I implore you to read runnings link very carefully. It is amazing.

I truly despair at your lack of critical thinking Vadark and Sig ; for a few lines you seem so close to joining the dots but you then lose it!

Thanks LaLa - I agree, but I can't take credit for the link - I just pinched it from another thread

"For the record I am strongly against mutilation of the penis and vagina too. As are the vast majority of feminists so please don't pretend we love to harvest baby boys' scrotums for a giggle."

Show me where the media or feminism has promoted raising this as a valid issue as much as that of female mutilation.