14 quotes that prove the nasty party is still just as nasty as ever

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We?ve all heard nasty quotes from Tories such as ?Hang Mandela?, ?The homeless are what you step over when you come out of the opera? etc etc which prove just how nasty the nasty party really can be. But those quotes are all pre-Cameron ? who likes to claim his party has changed.

Well, here are a selection of quotes from Tories from the Cameron era which prove the nasty party is alive and kicking and just as nasty as ever:

1. Neil Burden ? Tory councillor in Cornwall and lead member for Children?s Services ? referred to the ?expense of keeping ?handicapped? children alive? and said there were ?too many disabled children who cost too much?.

2. Steve Hilton - senior adviser to David Cameron and Tory strategy director ? said the government should boost economic growth by abolishing all working mothers? maternity leave and rights.

3. Iain Duncan Smith ? Tory Work and Pensions Secretary ? quoted the Nazi slogan above the gates of Auschwitz Arbeit Mach Frei (work makes free) when he said about the government?s workfare programme that ?work actually helps free people.?

4. Iain Duncan Smith again - this time on how ?lazy? disabled workers are: ?Is it a kindness to stick people in some factory where they are not doing any work at all? Just making cups of coffee??

5. Philippa Stroud ? senior Tory strategist and adviser to Iain Duncan Smith ? said that poverty, sexual abuse and homosexuality are caused by demonic possession. In her book ?God?s Heart for the Poor? she blames the death of a poor girl living in a hostel on the fact she ?hadn?t the will to stick with? being a Christian and so God ?was calling her home?.

6. Boris Johnson ? Tory Mayor of London - on same sex marriage: ?If gay marriage was OK ? then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men; or indeed three men and a dog.?

7. Chris Steward - a Conservative councillor in York ? said people shouldn?t donate food to food banks because poor families ?can?t budget? and if they were given food would only have ?more money to spend on alcohol, cigarettes etc?.

8. David Jones ? Tory MP and Welsh Secretary ? obviously thinks LGBT people are not ?safe? for bringing up children: ?I regard marriage as an institution that has developed over many centuries, essentially for the provision of a warm and safe environment for the upbringing of children, which is clearly something that two same-sex partners can?t do.?

9. Richard Powell - Tory councillor and campaign manager for Tory MP Conor Burns ? was temporarily suspended as a councillor but then reinstated after he admitted sending racist jokes from his phone which targetted Muslims, Indians, Irish people, Pakistanis and black people.

10. Philip Davies ? Tory MP for Shipley - thinks disabled people should take ?a lower rate of pay? than the minimum wage to ?help them get on their first rung of the jobs ladder? because that is the ?real world we live in?.

11. Christopher Chope ? Tory MP for Christchurch ? regards people like waiters and waitresses as servants. Talking about a visit to a House of Commons restaurant he said: ?The service was absolutely fantastic because there was three-to-one service ? three servants for each person sitting down?.

12. Peter Chapman ? a Tory councillor in Dorset ? complained on Facebook about the ?terminally slow (and bad) service from the bone idle bitches at Costa Dorchester? and said the waitresses: ?all need a good beating?.

13. Bob Blackman ? Tory MP for Harrow East ? said he thought the Tory?s infamous Section 28 law that banned teachers from talking about homosexuality should be brought back: ?Section 28 was the right rules to have in school so that we should not in any way shape or form promote same-sex relationships??

14. David Cameron ? Tory member for Witney ? when talking about the bedroom tax, said that ?Anyone with severely disabled children is exempt from the spare room subsidy?. This is particularly nasty because it?s a downright lie ? as this article shows:

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ironman, while the etymology of homophobia might be "fear of gay people", it doesn't actually mean a literal fear. It means a strong dislike.

I have a problem with the bedroom tax thing. I don't think that it should be poor people who are being made to suffer because the economy is shit. I think we need to tax people who have huge houses and own huge swathes of land.

However, I don't think it's fair that some people are desperate for a council house and can't get one while others have bigger houses than they need. The solution would ideally be more council houses but that's never going to happen under this government.

ElBurroSinNombre the neo-liberal agenda was never one of just shaping economic theory and practice, policy and politics, it was and is a project to alter the way in which people think. Many people are unable to articulate thoughts that sit outside of and in contrast to neo-liberal ideology, where people are individuals for whom freedom can only be obtained through the free market. Freedom is now closely equated to freedom to purchase, consumer choices, choice of who to contract, who to contract with to sell your labour. The worker is now an individual pitted against other workers to sell his labour, he doesn't care that his neighbour loses out in this race to the bottom.

so which country is a socialist paradise?

ElBurro so well articulated.
That's why I loathe Polly Toynbee.

mechanicaltheartreAs I say a 'phobia' is an 'irrational fear of something' according to the Oxford Dictionary. I don't know of one person who has an 'irrational fear' of either homosexuals or muslims. People who use phases like homophobic etc, when describing those who oppose gay marriage, talk utter nonsense IMO.

Believe me, OP, you can find plenty of nauseating statements made by people of a left-wing persuasion too. you appear to inahbit a very simple little world where people can be separated easily into left-wing + good, right-wing = evil. Frankly my 6 year old has more developed understanding of human complexity.

ironman, do you honestly think "homophobia" means "an irrational fear of homosexuals"? Just because "phobia" means one thing doesn't mean that "homophobia" means the same despite having the same root.

Your beloved OED says homophobia means "an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people."

Aversion. Not fear.

moondog-

You could do so in a much more intelligent way though.
You sadly reinforce the stereotype of mad lefty.
Far smarter to do it rationally.

I do do it rationally. Whilst most of the right-winger regurgitate Daily Mail headlines without any evidence to back it up, I try to bring in govt. statistics and facts to back up my arguments. I am then accused of 'cut and paste'.

Niceguy's consistently measured, good humoured and intelligent posts have brought many round to thinking differently about the right wing.

I doubt it. Anyway, 'niceguy' spouts a whole lot of bullshit. His trick is that he does it using moderate language. He even calls himself 'niceguy' even though the policies he promotes are pernicious and harmful.

It's better to speak the truth using immoderate language than spout nonsense dressed up in niceties.

Bedroom Tax?
I don't really see why I should pay for people to live in homes that are too large for them whilst others have no homes, no. Is that a thoughtcrime?

a) The majority of the people (two-thirds) who will be hit by the 'bedroom tax' will be disabled people. These rooms are not 'extra'. They provide space for a carer to sleep over nights or a family member who takes care of them.

b) There simply aren't enough smaller homes for all these people charged with the bedroom tax to move in to in any case. As you well know, there is already a huge shortage of homes - especially affordable homes.

c) The amount that could theoretically be saved - assuming everyone pays, and the social consequences (in cost) don't outweigh the immediate savings - is minuscule relative to the budget as a whole, and minuscule compared with how much could be save by pursuing tax avoidance.

d) It's hypocritical, as MPs - the same ones pressing for this 'bedroom tax' on the poorest and the disabled - have demanded enormous payrises and a 50% rise in second home allowances:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mps-demand-50-rise-in-second-1446061

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It's just ridiculous and inexcusable. It's an ill-thought out policy. It's harmful, economically and socially, and it won't even work. All it will do is cause even more misery the already hard-up British public.

Please reconsider why you should support such a measure.

FasterStronger

You can not have socialism in one country.

"Shameless MPs demand 50% rise in second home allowances so they don't have to use public transport" so well they might, I think I would if I couldn't bare to look the electorate in the face knowing I was shafting them.

Ironman-

Because people are so used to Red-team vs. Blue-team politics, where any criticism of the Blue-team is taken to mean that you support the Red-team, some people think that because I point out the nasty policies of the Tory party, then I must support Labour.

I don't support the Labour party.

I arrived in the UK in 1996, when Labour came in to power. I have seen what Labour has done. I remember the Iraq war vividly. I was one of the millions of people who marched in London in March against the war.

Tony Blair is a war criminal and should be behind bars for his war crimes.

The Labour party should apologise for the invasion of Iraq, which was a war crime and against international law. The Labour party lied to the entire nation. Repeatedly. It brought the country to war against the wishes of the vast majority of the public. It was a disgraceful act on the part of New Labour.

Is that clear enough for you? I am not here criticising the Tories because I support Labour. It is true that I think Labour was be a 'lesser evil' than the Tories. But I'm trying to get away from 'Good cop / Bad cop' politics. This has got us (the public) nowhere.

To answer your question: I don't criticise Labour because they're not in power. I spent all the years Labour was in power - from 1996 to 2010 - criticizing them for the Iraq war, their secret trials, their snooping and authoritarian tendencies.

The threat at the moment are the Tories. That's why I criticise them and not Labour.

Once again, Mini, the great unwashed voted them in.

As the parent of a child with disabilities I'm getting decidedly pissed off with lefites who had nothing whatever to say about the innumerable ways in which we got fucked over with Labour in power suddenly co-opting our concerns and problems to justify their political hatreds. Fiona Millar et al. Total gobshites.

There you go again Mini,
The masses have all been fooled by the neo liberals, but not you, oh no - you know the truth.
Have you ever considered that the working classes actually like the material wealth that neo liberalism has delivered. They have far more 'stuff' now than ever before and more choice about where and what to consume. If you are old enough, just think back to the 70s and what things people had in their houses then compared to now. As I said before, if you want to build a credible left wing movement you need to start listening to what the working classes actually want. I someonewhat doubt that it is the humourless utopia where dissent is not allowed that some on here seem to want.

Lefites? Lefties, obviously. Lefites sound like they might be something quite pleasant. Definitely not what we are dealing with here.

You are funny Ttosca. You should apply for a job with the Conservative Party, I think you could win them a lot of votes!

You do realise that labour are the only alternative, and at the moment, there is absolutely no evidence at all that they would make a better job of running the country?

If you get your way and get the Tories out of power, you aren't exactly leaving us with a viable alternative. Why don't you start your own party, and promote some ideals and solutions instead of bitching about what you done like all the time. It really can't be good for your health to have this much hatred against your own government inside you.

You do realise that labour are the only alternative, and at the moment, there is absolutely no evidence at all that they would make a better job of running the country?

The alternative is not just Parties, but policies. If the public bring real pressure to whoever is in power, we can shape the nature of politics. We can get rid of the objectionable policies and we can bring in positive policies.

This isn't theoretical or wishful thinking. It's historical fact. When the people demand it, it will come.

You do realise that labour are the only alternative, and at the moment, there is absolutely no evidence at all that they would make a better job of running the country?

Practically anyone could run the country better at the moment than the Tories. Our economy is performing worse than most of europe and we're possibly headed for a historically unprecedented triple-dip recession. We've already been in the longest recorded slump in history. Anyone would be better.

Karlos, you know, there's no need to slip in personal digs. I'm a lefty and I am perfectly pleasant. I sing and dance and skip down the street. I educate children and sometimes bad stuff happens to them and I go home and cry.

Once again, Mini, the great unwashed voted them in

Moondog who are these great unwashed? I don't know any, do you?

I voted labour last time and the time before because they are the lesser of two evils, not because I support labour. In reference to ElBurroSinNombre labour should support us, not we them

Blair has done more harm to reformist/left politics than any Tory could ever have hoped to.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim I would be interested to know more about why you think New labour harmed the welfare/services to children with disabilities and their families.

ElBurroSinNombre neo-liberalism has not delivered prosperity to working class people. We have huge levels of unemployment and the gap btw the richest and poorest is as wide as it was during the 1920's. The employment rights that those who went before us fought hard to win are being eroded and even in families where both parents work, it is getting progressively more difficult to meet the basic costs of living. That is without adding in privatisation and rationalisation of health, failing schools, a legal system that favours the wealthy, lack of democracy with the wealthy paying for policy and environmental degradation.

Fiona Millar.
God yes.
She is a dreadful woman.
Her, Toynbee and Diane Abbott make my skin crawl.

Mini, there is a massive amount of inequality in this country but how you can say there is not prosperity compared to, say, the 70s is beyond me. How you can say schools are failing compared to, say, the 70s is beyond me.

Yes, inequality is getting worse. Yes, the price of food and rent is getting ridiculous. But things have improved since the 70s for most people. There are very few people who live without their own toilet, running water, washing machine etc. Life is easier for most people.

"Karlos, you know, there's no need to slip in personal digs. I'm a lefty and I am perfectly pleasant. I sing and dance and skip down the street. I educate children and sometimes bad stuff happens to them and I go home and cry. "
Personal digs unfair, eh? I look forward then to your demolition of the whole premise of this vacuous thread, which is based on precisely the same kind of generalisation as you complain of in my post.
I'll not hold my breath, though.

Actually, "vacuous" is unfair. There are some thoughtful, knowledgeable people here.

Do you really think it's the same thing? I don't. Fair enough if you do though. If you read the thread, you'll see that I have in fact shown a fair few holes in the OP's argument.

It must be tiring being so cynical and coming out with stuff like "I'll not hold my breath". You should try to curb that. You'll get wrinkles.