14 quotes that prove the nasty party is still just as nasty as ever

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We?ve all heard nasty quotes from Tories such as ?Hang Mandela?, ?The homeless are what you step over when you come out of the opera? etc etc which prove just how nasty the nasty party really can be. But those quotes are all pre-Cameron ? who likes to claim his party has changed.

Well, here are a selection of quotes from Tories from the Cameron era which prove the nasty party is alive and kicking and just as nasty as ever:

1. Neil Burden ? Tory councillor in Cornwall and lead member for Children?s Services ? referred to the ?expense of keeping ?handicapped? children alive? and said there were ?too many disabled children who cost too much?.

2. Steve Hilton - senior adviser to David Cameron and Tory strategy director ? said the government should boost economic growth by abolishing all working mothers? maternity leave and rights.

3. Iain Duncan Smith ? Tory Work and Pensions Secretary ? quoted the Nazi slogan above the gates of Auschwitz Arbeit Mach Frei (work makes free) when he said about the government?s workfare programme that ?work actually helps free people.?

4. Iain Duncan Smith again - this time on how ?lazy? disabled workers are: ?Is it a kindness to stick people in some factory where they are not doing any work at all? Just making cups of coffee??

5. Philippa Stroud ? senior Tory strategist and adviser to Iain Duncan Smith ? said that poverty, sexual abuse and homosexuality are caused by demonic possession. In her book ?God?s Heart for the Poor? she blames the death of a poor girl living in a hostel on the fact she ?hadn?t the will to stick with? being a Christian and so God ?was calling her home?.

6. Boris Johnson ? Tory Mayor of London - on same sex marriage: ?If gay marriage was OK ? then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men; or indeed three men and a dog.?

7. Chris Steward - a Conservative councillor in York ? said people shouldn?t donate food to food banks because poor families ?can?t budget? and if they were given food would only have ?more money to spend on alcohol, cigarettes etc?.

8. David Jones ? Tory MP and Welsh Secretary ? obviously thinks LGBT people are not ?safe? for bringing up children: ?I regard marriage as an institution that has developed over many centuries, essentially for the provision of a warm and safe environment for the upbringing of children, which is clearly something that two same-sex partners can?t do.?

9. Richard Powell - Tory councillor and campaign manager for Tory MP Conor Burns ? was temporarily suspended as a councillor but then reinstated after he admitted sending racist jokes from his phone which targetted Muslims, Indians, Irish people, Pakistanis and black people.

10. Philip Davies ? Tory MP for Shipley - thinks disabled people should take ?a lower rate of pay? than the minimum wage to ?help them get on their first rung of the jobs ladder? because that is the ?real world we live in?.

11. Christopher Chope ? Tory MP for Christchurch ? regards people like waiters and waitresses as servants. Talking about a visit to a House of Commons restaurant he said: ?The service was absolutely fantastic because there was three-to-one service ? three servants for each person sitting down?.

12. Peter Chapman ? a Tory councillor in Dorset ? complained on Facebook about the ?terminally slow (and bad) service from the bone idle bitches at Costa Dorchester? and said the waitresses: ?all need a good beating?.

13. Bob Blackman ? Tory MP for Harrow East ? said he thought the Tory?s infamous Section 28 law that banned teachers from talking about homosexuality should be brought back: ?Section 28 was the right rules to have in school so that we should not in any way shape or form promote same-sex relationships??

14. David Cameron ? Tory member for Witney ? when talking about the bedroom tax, said that ?Anyone with severely disabled children is exempt from the spare room subsidy?. This is particularly nasty because it?s a downright lie ? as this article shows:

tompride.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/14-quotes-that-prove-the-nasty-party-is-still-just-as-nasty-as-ever/

A lot of food banks and soup kitchens are run by people who are more interested in their own ability to do good than anything else and if the supply is there, demand follows.

What people are not able to do is to cook and manage food, because cooking and home economics was deemed old fashioned.
I can't think of anything more disempowering than that. Obviously access to good food is important. Ehrenreich's 'Nickled and Dimded' summed that up very well (and poor old Polly Toynbee did her own poor imitation in which she was astounded that Peter Mandelson didn't recognise her which sums her up pretty well)

Clothes expensive? Nope. Not with you there. Clothes have never been cheaper. My dh works in the country which produces most of the garmentsd worn in this country so again, I know a fair bit about this subject.

Heating, yes. Bloody outrageous.

I manage a project which gives out food bank vouchers. It is not the case ( as i think you are suggesting moondog) that one can just turn up and fill a bag.

There needs to be agency intervention or contact with people who get the food vouchers - they aren't just thrown about willy nilly. donated food is a finite resource and all the agencies both statuatory and non stat know this.

the cost of housing alone is incredible. and the changes to benefits will only make this worse.

ttosca - have you picked up on the utter twattishness of eric pickles and his mad as a box of frogs ideas to get money in!

also grant shapps - is an utter arse licking slimy twat.

I would say heating, transport, electricity, and rent are outrageously expensive in the UK.

Whether food is cheap or not (it is) is a small concession when you've already spent all your money on everything else. That's why people still end up in food banks.

So no, I refuse to blame the average worker for being poor, given that the cost of living has steadily increase whilst her wage has remained (on average) roughly the same in real terms since 1980.

From facebook:

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"Shocking contemptuous greed by MP's while benefit claimants starve, freeze & face losing their homes because of 'Bedroom Tax'

The Conservatives demonise benefit claimants on a daily basis meanwhile MP's get an an extra £100 to spend on their second homes - all in together are we David Cameron ?

The Parliamentary Standards Authority said the cash was to help MPs pay for increases in the cost of Freeview television, gas and electricity bills and insurance.

Other costs covered by the increase were council tax bills, service charges, contents and building insurance, phone line rental and bills and burglar alarms.

The Parliamentary Standards Authority also announced that the amount of money MPs can claim for the cost of running their offices was also going up by 2.4 per cent.

Disgraced Lord Hanningfield, who was jailed for his expenses claims, has started claiming Lords allowances again. Latest figures show that he claimed £4,800 in October 2012 alone, plus £383 travel costs.

That brings his total claims in the first five working months since he was allowed back to £15,900 worth of allowances, plus £1,329 travel costs. Lord Hanningfield has not spoken in the House of Lords since he was sentenced to nine months in prison in 2011 for fraudulent claims."

'Bone idle bitches who need a good beating': Conservative councillor faces demands to resign after insulting Costa Coffee staff on Facebook

Women's group horrified by Peter Chapman's comments
Others urge him to resign from Weymouth and Portland Borough Council
Mr Chapman says his comment was not made in public

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2289150/Peter-Chapman-Conservative-councillor-faces-demands-resign-insulting-Costa-Coffee-staff-Facebook.html

I hate the Tories as much as the next person, but to suggest that IDS is some sort of secret Nazi is a bit rich and makes your argument seem very week.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the phrase "work gives you freedom" because essentially it does. Yes, if you think about it long enough, it has unfortunate nazi connotations. But I hardly think he's about to start rounding people up.

I don't mean to imply that he is a secret Nazi. I don't use that term lightly.

I think the phrase was tasteless and ill-chosen, that's all. I didn't compile that collection of quotes.

I do, however, think that he really is a thoroughly nasty person with sociopathic tendencies. It's not an exaggeration to say that the way he has treated disabled and poor people has brought misery to thousands, and in some cases, death.

Remember, he is responsible for the whole ATOS debacle where terminally-ill cancer patients are deemed 'fit to work' along with people with severe heart conditions. Some of these people deemed 'fit to work' died shortly after their ATOS assessment. (And yes, these are statistically 'unexpected' deaths).

Iain Duncan Smith to write to distraught teenager who blames Atos for father's death

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/iain-duncan-smith-to-write-to-distraught-1414272

I think to equate what someone has said with nazism when it has nothing to do with it is tasteless in itself to be honest, and a ridiculously cheap shot. You didn't compile the quotes, but you posted them and you need to take responsibility.

You don't need to try to convince me of the unpleasantness of the Tories. I am a Labour party member.

Tosca but who was suggesting that you or anyone else was blaming the average worker for being poor? It would seem to my untutored eye that no caps on housing benefit have in large part fuelled the atrocious housing situation. They are surely one of the causes, if greedy buy to let landlords knows that public spending has no limits in this sphere. MPs with their Noses in the trough-there were and are chief perpetrators from all political parties. As for getting het up about what some prick writes on Dacebook...... Really Tosca, do not ascribe them and their idiotic remarks an importance they don't have

Exactly my point MT,

A list of quotes by randoms that are taken out of context tells us nothing at all. It certainly does not prove anything as the title suggests. And it turns out that ttosca cut and paste them from another source - what a surprise. As we have now established IDS is not a Nazi - you nearly had me going there ttosca.

The one about gay people being posessed by demons is clearly not mainstream thinking in the Conservative party. So why is it included? They have more openly gay MPs than any other party and have recently introduced legislation to enable gay marriage. That is hardly the actions of a homophobic institution. But to ttosca Conservatives must be hated and smeared at every opportunity.

ElBurro-

A list of quotes by randoms that are taken out of context tells us nothing at all.

Which particular quotes need context, then? Which do you find ambiguous? The links to the news articles are all there for people to determine the context if they wish.

It certainly does not prove anything as the title suggests. And it turns out that ttosca cut and paste them from another source - what a surprise. As we have now established IDS is not a Nazi - you nearly had me going there ttosca.

Well that's funny because I wasn't trying to convince you he was an actual Nazi. Shall we just settle on sociopath?

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The followis is a summary of Parliamentary votes by party on gay marriage...

Percentage of the party who voted AGAINST gay marriage:

Lib Dems: 7%

Labour: 9%

Conservative: 45%

Whilst Cameron can be commended for the gay marriage legislation, he clearly didn't have the support of his party. Boris Johnson, also London's mayor, compared gay marriage to marriage between three men and a dog.

I might also add that if an MP from the LD or Labour said something similar about gay people, they would probably be expelled, if not at least strongly condemned.

This is not a party which is comfortable with homosexuality, whoever hypocritical it is of them to have a number of gay MPs

The one about gay people being posessed by demons is clearly not mainstream thinking in the Conservative party. So why is it included?

Because taken in the context of the history of the Tory party, its legislation, and all the other nasty quotes, it paints an accurate picture of a thoroughly nasty and objectionable party - which is exactly what they are.

Have you ever considered that the world may actually be slightly more complicated than your overly simplistic and often child like analysis?

First you say that the quotes paint a picture of conservative thinking in general. Then as we delve deeper, we discover that IDS does not in fact have Nazi sympathies, that one of the quotes is not from a conservative at all (no 1) and that this homophobic party (as you would have it) has recently introduced equality legislation for err gay people. We could also deconstruct some of the other quotes but what is the point.

Your post does not 'prove' anything.

Look, as I said, I hate the Tories.

But a lot of GAY people are against gay marriage. Not because they are self-hating, but because they basically think "fuck you, we don't want your shitty straight person's wedding shit."

Things are not black and white.

ElBurro-

First you say that the quotes paint a picture of conservative thinking in general.

Yes, they are.

Then as we delve deeper, we discover that IDS does not in fact have Nazi sympathies,

You didn't need to 'delve deeper' for that. It should be apparent on the surface that the quote was merely tasteless.

that one of the quotes is not from a conservative at all (no 1) and that this homophobic party (as you would have it) has recently introduced equality legislation for err gay people. We could also deconstruct some of the other quotes but what is the point.

The minority of 'Tory Modernizers' voted in gay marriage legislation, whilst almost half of Tory MPs voted against.

Are all Tory's homophobes, no, of course not. Some of them are gay. Some of them are not gay and are supportive of gay rights.

I'm not claiming anything is black & white, as you say I am. I'm painting an overall picture, and that is of a reactionary party which has consistently shat on the poorest and most vulnerable, the disabled, and single-women, and has consistently attacked welfare and public services, whilst consistently helping out their rich mates.

If you don't think any pattern can be discerned from those quotes or the destructive effects of what the Tories have already done in under three years in power then it's you who needs to open your eyes.

Any party which gives a tax break to millionaires whilst removing support for disabled and terminally ill people and whilst overseeing child poverty rise to 50% by 2015 is a nasty party, through and through.

They are sociopaths and the sooner they die an electoral death, the better.

I don't like this Orwellain thoughtcrime notion either.
Why does everyone have to endorse everyone else's choices?
Like gay marriage? Not agreeing with it doesn't make you evil. It just meet you don't agree with it.

I don't agree with the Catholic church or Islam on many points.
It doesn't mean I am a jackbooted Fascist ready to kick in people's heads.
On the contrary. I shared many an iftar with Muslim friends and been to the mosque a few times.

I still don't agree with a lot of what it is about.

What is your desired response to people who say things you don't agree with Tosca? Your venom makes you look even worse than they do and it's a shame because if you stopped frothing, I am sure you have some interesting and coherent points to make.

Everyone doesn't have to agree with my points. I would assume that most sensible people are against sexism, racism, etc. and have a notion of 'fairness' and 'rightness' which doesn't involve taking away life support from disabled people or 50% of children living in poverty.

If people read the things I post about the Tories and they disagree that they do them or said them, then they are free to dispute them. The first quote about the Councilor who wasn't a Tory is a good case in point. He wasn't a Tory. I conceded the point.

But I think the problem is that the mainstream news doesn't cover these issues very well, and a lot of people are not well informed about the policies of government or the reality of issues like the cost of welfare or tax avoidance. That's why I raise these issues here.

To your point, if someone agrees that the Tories are responsible for removing support allowance from many disabled people, and which, in turn is killing them, and they are fine with this, then that's their problem.

They don't have to agree that its wrong, but I reserve the right to call them a cunt if they don't. That's my opinion, and I reserve the right to have it, just as they have the right to hold the opinion that this policy is fair and right.

moondog-

Do you think it's fair that there is a 'Bedroom tax' (call it whatever you like - 'partial removal of benefits') which is likely to plunge thousands of people into poverty, whilst at the same time the govt. just voted against the 'Mansion Tax'?

What planet are these people on? In what way can the govt. be considered to care for the welfare of the population at large?

tosca, I think the majority of people don't know what's going on because they couldn't give a shit. I don't think that's right, but I also don't think that posts like this leave anyone better informed. In fact, I think they alienate people.

tosca, I think the majority of people don't know what's going on because they couldn't give a shit.

You may be right to some extent about that. Unfortunately, they don't give a shit until it comes around to them - and then all of a sudden they give a shit very strongly.

I don't think that's right, but I also don't think that posts like this leave anyone better informed. In fact, I think they alienate people.

OK, well, I'm very passionate about this subject. I don't want to alienate people, but I find it frustrating how the govt. can get away with such harmful policies.

I don't think you are alienating people. The problem is one of people not being ready to hear what anyone on the left has to say.

Years and years of corporate press spewing out biased anti left rhetoric has left working class people feeling.....well alienated,(not from their labour) but from their own interests.

Do people not know because they don't give a shit. Yep, 30 years of being told that individual rights, individual freedoms trump everything, 30 years of identity politics where we all play a game of discrimination top trumps means that there is no sense of solidarity.

ttosca 'I find it frustrating how the government can get away with such harmful policies'. Do you vote Labour? Child poverty went up under the 'champagne socialists'. The labour Party brought this country to its knees.

Tony (warmonger) Blair took us into Bosnia, Iraq Afghanistan and facilitated the death not only of 1000's of Iraqis and Afghans but hundreds of British soldiers. He and the shite-bag Jack Straw orchestrated mass immigration. Which has impacted heavily on schools, hospitals and housing. Why did they allow this? They did it because historically foreign people vote labour, and they wanted to put 2 fingers up to the Tories, and Andrew Nether one of their own stated this.

Why do you and some on here use the term 'homophobic' if anyone disagrees with gay marriage? A 'phobia' according to the Oxford Dictionary is an irrational fear of something, surely those who oppose gay marriage don't run screaming down the street when they see a gay person, as say when they see a spider in their living room.

Phobia is attached to other things as well, it is just a way of shutting people up who don't agree with one view or another. If you say someone has a phobia about gay people, you think of some nutter, not just a normal person with their own views whether its based on religion or not, as regard gay marriage.

I can understand if you are upset about some government policies, but why don't you ever criticise the Labour Party, they did far worse.

'But I think the problem is that the mainstream news doesn't cover these issues very well, and a lot of people are not well informed about the policies of government or the reality of issues like the cost of welfare or tax avoidance. That's why I raise these issues here.'

You could do so in a much more intelligent way though.
You sadly reinforce the stereotype of mad lefty.
Far smarter to do it rationally.
Niceguy's consistently measured, good humoured and intelligent posts have brought many round to thinking differently about the right wing.

Bedroom Tax?
I don't really see why I should pay for people to live in homes that are too large for them whilst others have no homes, no.
Is that a thoughtcrime?

Neither do I agree that those who have plenty should have a gun held to their head and be forced to part with a huge % of it.

Mini - It didn't take long to get us here did it;

'Years and years of corporate press spewing out biased anti left rhetoric has left working class people feeling.....well alienated,(not from their labour) but from their own interests. '

In other words, you know better what the working classes need than they do themselves. I would suggest, that it is exactly this sort of patronising attitude that actually alienates the working classes from left wing parties. Instead of telling them what they should think, IMO the left should be listening to the voices of ordinary people in non metropolitan towns and cities and building an agenda based on what they hear. This would be similar to what UKIP are doing on the right - articulating an awkward voice that the political classes do not want to hear.