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Can someone explain to me in simple terms. USA elections

415 replies

ihatethecold · 31/08/2012 07:44

What are the main differences between Obama and romney?
Is Obama like labour and Romney like very right conservative?

Why does Romney say he will get rid of the healthcare bill that Obama brought in.

Did it not work?
why wouldn't you want people without insurance to access healthcare ?
Thanks

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Extrospektiv · 02/09/2012 14:46

Piglet The reason I posted was originally because the thread was full of Brits expressing mainstream European socio-cultural views (abortion-rights, heavy gun control, tax and spend etc.)and saying how bad the Americans who aren't Democrats are, including the use of ultra-negative words like "reactionary". I wanted to redress the balance. Now pro-Obama Americans are only piling in to back up the mainstream "consensus" views which I consider to be extreme-left and extremely wrong.

"The American voter" after all includes over 100,000,000 Republican voters.

CheerfulYank · 02/09/2012 14:56

We're not afraid of baddies, DH just hunts. :)

To be sure, he'd shoot someone if our house were invaded and the gun was loaded; it usually isn't and is kept in the garage at any case. Plus, we don't ever even lock our doors except to keep them from blowing open during thunderstorms, so what are the odds really.

HmmThinkingAboutIt · 02/09/2012 15:05

extreme-left

ROFLMAO.

mathanxiety · 02/09/2012 15:55

Nowhere close to 100,000,000 voters vote Republican. Turnout in US elections tends to be very low. I would hazard a guess that 100,000,000 would be the total turnout for an election that drew a lot of interest.

HmmThinkingAboutIt · 02/09/2012 16:10

Popular vote 1992
Clinton: 44,909,806
Bush Snr: 39,104,550
Perot: 19,743,821

Popular vote 1996
Clinton: 47,401,185
Dole: 39,197,469
Perot: 8,085,294

Popular vote 2000
Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897

Popular vote 2004
Bush: 62,040,610
Kerry: 59,028,444

Popular vote 2008
Obama: 69,456,897
McCain: 59,934,814
Obama received the most votes for a presidential candidate in American history.

TalkinPeace2 · 02/09/2012 16:11

Electorate figures
The popular vote was 69,456,897 to 59,934,814, respectively.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

extro
I went to Ellis Island Museum a couple of years back.
Their timeline started 100 years AFTER the third wave of my family arrived in New England.
DO NOT presume to speak for the majority.
My ancestors appear in Revolutionary military records.
But I do not believe Romney is the right person to lead my homeland.

NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 16:18

Latest Republican lie

Paul Ryan the Vice President candidate boasted about running a marathon in 2hour 50 minutes the other day. A running magazine then check his time with the organisers and they said his real logged time was 3 hours 50 minutes.

Later when questioned on TV about the lie Ryan said oh he had simply rounded the time in the wrong direction and should have said he ran 4 hours.

If he is the man who wrote their wonky budget, and he is, yet he cannot even round a simple time would you trust him with your economy?

And if he can lie about this to try t appear cool what major things will he lie about to save his ass. Once again the man is proven to be a liar.

PigletJohn · 02/09/2012 16:20

the thread was full of Brits expressing mainstream European socio-cultural views

Wow, who could have expected that?

NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 16:26

OK Let us have a FOX NEWS opinion on Paul Ryan...and I quote...

"To anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan?s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.?.

"The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan?s mouth"

FOX NEWS

HmmThinkingAboutIt · 02/09/2012 16:31

I love that. That rather special.

mathanxiety · 02/09/2012 16:46

I am Irish...

PigletJohn · 02/09/2012 16:57

not a US citizen or a US resident then?

CheerfulYank · 02/09/2012 17:14

I believe Math lives in the US, yes.

fridakahlo · 02/09/2012 17:37

As do I.

fridakahlo · 02/09/2012 17:38

Does that mean (the Fox news quotes) that even the Fox network is turning against the Romney/Ryan ticket?

NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 17:40

Or maybe, just maybe for once in the statoins history they actually were fair and balanced for a day.

fridakahlo · 02/09/2012 17:44

About time...

TalkinPeace2 · 02/09/2012 18:22

The chances of Fox turning against a Republican candidate are NIL.
What you may have seen was reverse psychology to get Republican supporters out and voting come November

BUT
www.economist.com/world/us-elections-2012

NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 18:33

Of course not..

Just like the republicans fail to mention that BUsh started two wars and failed to regulate the banks or to introduce legislation that would have meant the mortgage holders could just walk away form their debts leaving the world economy to have to pay their debts and thus a global credit crisis.

Republicans claim that the deficit increased under Obama yet forget to mention that the majority of the deficit increase was because all the debt for the previous 8 years of war by Bush had NOT been added to the national debt figure. Obama took the decision to include all debt in the figure so the public could see the real state of the economy.

The debt was passed to him by Bush with a shocking annual deficit and rapidly increasing budget deficit. So no matter who became president the economy was in the toilet.

What Obama has done has been to keep the Us economy from going like Greece or Spain and kept unemployment less than the UK rate despite the US economy being in more of a toilet than most.

nightlurker · 02/09/2012 18:35

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NovackNGood · 02/09/2012 18:44

The MRC is a republican conservative media organisation and not in any way an independent fact check organisation.

HmmThinkingAboutIt · 02/09/2012 18:54

I love the comments on the second article nightlurker. They are baffling, scary, bewildering amusing to my 'extreme left' British sensibilities.

Apparently
"Liberalism is truly a mental disorder!".

But I think my particular favourite was
"How is it that ANYONE can put any legitimacy to anything this Quasimodo-looking mental midget says? This libtard supported the Occupy criminals and has a long history of being philosophically nearsighted and being a compulsive liar. Get this idiot off television." in reference to Sally Kohn, the Fox journalist.

I think the Daily Fail readers need to get some inspiration from here.

nightlurker · 02/09/2012 19:03

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TalkinPeace2 · 02/09/2012 19:28

Novack
Non recourse mortgages under written by Fannie and Freddie go back a darn sight further than Dubya - they are a stock in trade part of the US Housing market - as are old style 20 year mortgage rate fixes which would give the UK Market kittens !