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UK PENSIONERS. A BURDEN ON THE STATE.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:06

It is clear that many of you on this site believe that the UK's elderly people are a burden on the State.

So, what you anti- elderly people are doing is descriminating against basically the old in our society, and our country.

You are saying that our elderly people are unaffordable.

That they must endure a low State pension and means tested handouts.

And while you are descrimating against our elderly people, you are full of yourselves to the point of banality.

I read somewhere recently on the internet, that the people living in the 30's and 40's were more mature and sophisticated than the people living today.

This I can believe.

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Itsjustafleshwound · 25/08/2011 12:22

This is a forum for parents - perhaps gransnet would be a better forum for you to post your vitriol interesting posts if you feel you are not gettin the appreciation and debate your bugbear deserves ...

Elderly people are just some of the wanting in an already overstretched society.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:38

Your sarcasm is noted.

How exactly are we "overstretched" ?

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niceguy2 · 25/08/2011 12:42

I've asked twice before and let's see if it's third time lucky.

What are your proposals? If you were prime minister what would you do?

You seem clear you know what's wrong. But just what would you do to fix it? What policies would you enact? Which taxes would you raise? Which spending would you divert?

Don't know why you keep starting up new threads or is it because you are clearly losing the argument on the other ones?

Pootles2010 · 25/08/2011 12:43

Weeeell, technically they are now, in the same way as my son is, in that they're taking benefits without paying tax, but this all balances out as (most of them) have paid tax.

I think the only thing that bugs me slightly is that we seem to be moving towards means testing everything (child benefit etc) but not means testing other things such as bus passes and tv licenses. Just because you're old doesn't mean you're poor.

I think these things should be across the board, and apply to all.

On a purely practical point, we do have a pensions crisis that needs fixing, but obviously is not the fault of older people - its an issue facing all of us.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:44

Its, I see you are 39 and live in Surrey. Well this is a coincide because I'm a Surrey person as well.

Well im a tad older than you, and it is clear by your postings on mumset, that you have lerad quite a sheltered life, if im wrong, please forgive me.

You see old age poverty in this country began literally in the 80's, when Thatcher destroyed the link that kept the contrbutary basic State pension increasing rightly with British prosperity, I just thought you might like to know that.

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EdwardorEricCantDecide · 25/08/2011 12:45

we are "overstretched" for many different reasons, bank bailouts poor policy, tax avoidance i'm sure the list could go on and on but TBH i would say "overstretched" is an understatement of the country's financial climate.

in addition people are living longer therefore require a pension for longer, it won't be long before there are more pensioners than working people to support them. surely this is just basic mathematics.

i have nothing against pensioners BTW but struggle to see what you want to acheive from your OP?

bemybebe · 25/08/2011 12:45

how exactly the elderly are "descriminated against" (sic)

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:46

I think Child Benefit should continue being paid to all parents with a child, or children of a certain age.

But I also believe the State pension should be at least trebled universially for all uk pensioners and council tax abolished for everybody.

What say you ?

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EdwardorEricCantDecide · 25/08/2011 12:48

and how would you pay for that?

bemybebe · 25/08/2011 12:48

I say as a famous philosopher once said:
"You can't always get what you want"

Scaevola · 25/08/2011 12:48

I've been posting about the Coalition plans to increase the basic state pension by about 40%, paid for largely by abolishing means testing and the associated costs.

No-one else seems to be posting support for it though.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:48

/////in addition people are living longer therefore require a pension for longer, it won't be long before there are more pensioners than working people to support them. surely this is just basic mathematics./////

I see you have also been bought and paid for then.

It is interesting how many people simply love parroting what the politicians and media constantly trumpet.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:49

////and how would you pay for that?/////

Hi, are you talking to me Edward ?

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2shoes · 25/08/2011 12:50

where does the money come from??
who are you going to take it away from?

AMumInScotland · 25/08/2011 12:51

Please feel free to put forward your planned budget then - either here or let the Chancellor know directly. I'm sure they'd love to know how you think the State Pension can be trebled and Council Tax abolished. If you can explain how to make the cuts needed to fund these ideas, go for it.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:52

////I've been posting about the Coalition plans to increase the basic state pension by about 40%, paid for largely by abolishing means testing and the associated costs.

No-one else seems to be posting support for it though./////

This is only a proposal. But's it's rubbish anyway.

Apparantly old age is a problem in Britain, I just wish our living way veterans had some idea of this Nazi ethos 60 years on in this country, they probably would have let Hitler take over completely

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Scaevola · 25/08/2011 12:52

"You see old age poverty in this country began literally in the 80's"

Wrong.

Scaevola · 25/08/2011 12:53

What is wrong with the current proposal for a 40% increase?

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:53

Hello amuminscotland, how are you dear?, all right ?, jolly good .

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:54

Sc, Right.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:55

2shoes, now now dear, dont start shaking in your shoes at the thought of someone getting something your not.

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EdwardorEricCantDecide · 25/08/2011 12:55

don't really understand your reply????

if your pension costs go up (people living longer for example)

and your income goes down (businesses going bust, high unemployment therefore lower income from tax)

how do you pay for the defecit, this is common sense and doesn't need to be "bought and paid for" i got mine for free i suggest you get yourself some, your posts indicate a very low understanding of economy.

you've now been asked by myself and niceguy2 how you would acheive your goals and have yet to answer?
do you have any ideas on how to acheive your ideas?
have you run for parliament or attempted contacting your MP about it?

Solo · 25/08/2011 12:55

As much as we dislike council taxes, they couldn't be abolished unless something else was put in its place...that stands to reason.

As for trebling state pension Hmm it can't be done! I'd love my Mum to have more money to do the things she wants to do, but it's not going to happen is it!!!

2shoes · 25/08/2011 12:55

your threads don't make sense sorry.
you don't want to debate, you just want to tell people what you think,

2shoes · 25/08/2011 12:56

ivanhoe What are you on about, shaking in my shoes???

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