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UK PENSIONERS. A BURDEN ON THE STATE.

111 replies

ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:06

It is clear that many of you on this site believe that the UK's elderly people are a burden on the State.

So, what you anti- elderly people are doing is descriminating against basically the old in our society, and our country.

You are saying that our elderly people are unaffordable.

That they must endure a low State pension and means tested handouts.

And while you are descrimating against our elderly people, you are full of yourselves to the point of banality.

I read somewhere recently on the internet, that the people living in the 30's and 40's were more mature and sophisticated than the people living today.

This I can believe.

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:56

//I say as a famous philosopher once said:
"You can't always get what you want"///

Another famous philosopher one said, "if you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

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ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 12:57

2shoes, oh jolly good, you took notice.

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Scaevola · 25/08/2011 12:58

Ivanhoe: even if you go only back to the time of the inception if the state pension, you will find poverty amongst the elderly. It did not "literally" begin in the 1980s.

It is an important subject, and I find it unhelpful to see it thus trivialised by inaccurate hyperbole.

2shoes · 25/08/2011 12:58

what an odd thread

AMumInScotland · 25/08/2011 12:59

You seem to be disagreeing with "in addition people are living longer therefore require a pension for longer, it won't be long before there are more pensioners than working people to support them. surely this is just basic mathematics."

Population statistics show very clearly that this is true - why would you not want to use actual serious statistics to justify your ideas?

Could it be that you are talking crap?

Solo · 25/08/2011 12:59

My Grandma died in 1980 and she was very poor. Her weekly state pension was £10pw; my (also hard up) parents used to help her out.
It most certainly did not start with Thatcher in the 80's.

bemybebe · 25/08/2011 13:00

ivanhoe - maybe he said it but yours is a totally irrelevant quote. i suggest you go to primary school to brush up on the three "R"s with arithmetic being your weakest Wink

MugglesandLuna · 25/08/2011 13:01

Its like Gabby on a political rant.

niceguy2 · 25/08/2011 13:04

Yes, I totally agree Ivanhoe.

Child Benefit should be universal. We should treble, no fuck it quadruple pensions. Let's abolish council tax and whilst we're at it how about stamp duty, tuition fees and sod it income tax.

Now...where do we get the money from?

Any ideas mate? Or will you just avoid the question again?

bemybebe · 25/08/2011 13:07

niceguy2, why not to take the next step?
if you cannot find the money we should just abolish it. who needs it anyway?? we can also introduce communism whilst we are at it. nice trotsky nirvana of universal poverty

if no-one is rich than no-one is poor, surely...

ivanhoe · 25/08/2011 13:07

Solo, How little you know.

Since the Poll Tax, the Tory's have shifted the responsibility for funding local services, from increases in national income tax, to increases in local council tax.

This is a deliberate move to absolve the role of the State just as David Cameron is doing now, and to place decision making with local authorities, but with less money.

British communities have become separated from central Government funding.

The politicians and the media refer to this as 'localism', but it's more than that, it's a removal of the roll of the State where we all pay our taxes for services to be funded.

What has happened since the Thatcher era is that taxation in this country has been reversed, no longer is income tax increased to fund local services, local tax increases have replaced income tax as the main source of funding local services, hitting the poorest people hardest.

Since Thatcher's Poll Tax, where the poor were expected to pay the same local tax as the rich, this denotes how unfair Britain has become this past 30 years, and so fairness is the crux of the matter here.

Britain has without a doubt, lost it's soul, it's Christianity, it's sense of fair play.

There is now no sense of community, or society, people are leading isolated lives and this, in my view, having read reports on the London riots, is because young people have no jobs and no hope, therefore anxiety and anger is unleashed.

Naturally, our fundamentally right-wing politicians cannot understand this anger and frustration because they lead lives of wealth and privilege.

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lachesis · 25/08/2011 13:08

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bemybebe · 25/08/2011 13:10

"Britain has without a doubt, lost it's soul, it's Christianity, it's sense of fair play."

Christianity??? So we have a communist and an evangelical christian rolled into one... wow!

LtEveDallas · 25/08/2011 13:11

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EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 25/08/2011 13:13

'You are saying that our elderly people are unaffordable.'

Did I really? When was that? I think most people would support the abolition of means testing and a vast increase in pensions.

I think the government is saying that it's unaffordable.

Maybe you should go and shout at them.

EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 25/08/2011 13:15
Solo · 25/08/2011 13:24

Poor state pensioners did not start being poor with Thatcher.

TheCrackFox · 25/08/2011 13:27

Old people voted for Thatcher - anyone under the age of 40 wasn't actually old enough to vote her in. Perhaps you should be haranguing the baby boomers and current pensioners about the state of pension because it sure ain't my genrations fault.

Solo · 25/08/2011 13:31

Very good point TCF

ShirleyKnot · 25/08/2011 13:38

I just wish ivanhoe would just bugger off and bore some other poor bastards into submission. Like his MP.

Yes, go and tell your MP all this, there is actually fuck all we on mumsnet can do for you.

NevermindtheNargles · 25/08/2011 13:39

I can't work out why you keep posting on a discussion forum. You aren't interested in discussing anything.

Why not start a blog?

chibi · 25/08/2011 13:41

we should totes eat the elderly, and use any non-ingestible bits as a source of fuel for the cold winters

niceguy2 · 25/08/2011 13:56

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TheCrackFox · 25/08/2011 14:02

Why don't we put taxes up, raise the retirement age to 68 (wouldn't surprise me if it was raised to 70 for my age group), triple the cost of a degree and slash and burn benefits for those of a working age? Oh, sorry, we have already done that.

Portofino · 25/08/2011 14:03

One thought - "soylent green" Wink

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