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Cameron's bloody awful too, isn't he?

274 replies

porcupine11 · 21/07/2011 14:32

Just saying.

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justcross · 27/07/2011 16:22

What makes me mad is that you lot are allowed to be as rude and crude as possible, and yet when I had one tiny moan about Scotland and all their extra money, I was taken off!! Excuse me but using the C-word (can't say it, just too offensive) is just not right when discussing someone who actually can't answer back. I think Mumsnet is a bit of a cliquey 'I love Labour and hate the Tories' group. Wish someone would start up something similar that doesn't have Mrs Smug running it. Wonder if this'll get taken off?!! If so, silly me, I was right, only Tory-bashers allowed hereGrin

ironman · 27/07/2011 20:02

HHLimbo. If anyone one group has ever taken the piss/rise/mickey out of the electorate, it's the Labour Party. One million marched to stop the Iraq war-result? all where ignored!
Mrs. Duffy poor old dear mistakenly thought she could mention immigration, well she was sorted out by Brown and called 'a bigot'. The Labour party had utter contempt for the people of this country and it showed. They tried to make this an Orwellian state and stifle free speech, take DNA even if you're innoncent. ED Balls tried to criminalise children in primary schools though, putting their names on file for hate speech, thank god he was booted out before he could manage to do it!
Just to put the boot in Brown and his cronies spent millions recruiting people for 'non jobs' spent the tax payers money, and left the country broke.
This country was systematically run down/ruined by 13 years of mismangement, implemented by the horror story which was the Labour government!

Ponders · 27/07/2011 20:53

'systematically run down/ruined by 13 years of mismangement'

mmm

I experienced schools (I was a parent governor) & the NHS during the 18 years of glorious Tory mismanagement before 1997. I wonder if you did, ironman? I know which period of mismanagement I prefer Hmm

claig · 27/07/2011 20:55

and that's only the half of what they did Wink
But the country can relax now. The dark days are over. I think that Florence and the Machine even sang a song about it.

claig · 27/07/2011 21:05

some people are gluttons for punishment and wanted them back for more, but fortunately, a greater number said "No, there's the door"

LilyBolero · 27/07/2011 21:18

claig, unfortunately for the Tories the numbers don't really stack up.

In the election, Labour campaigned on a manifesto to halve the deficit in 4 years, the Lib Dems campaigned on a manifesto to halve the deficit in 4 years. Only the Tories said they would eliminate the deficit over 4 years.

10.7 million voted Tory
8.6 million voted Labour
6.8 million voted LibDem

Making a vote of 10.7 million for the 'fast and deep cuts', but 15.4 million for 'halving over 4 years'. And yet we are stuck with the fast and deep cuts.

That is not to mention other things which were absolutely not in the manifestos. We are not living in a democratically governed country.

claig · 27/07/2011 21:23

But people don't vote on only one issue. Many LibDems voted against Labour's attack on civil liberties and voted for freedom, along with Tory voters.

No democracy is perfect. We should really have proportional representation and regular referenda like they have in Switzerland, but none of our parties would allow the people to have those rights.

LilyBolero · 27/07/2011 21:24

And to add, up until the global crash, the Tories mantra was 'We will match Labour's spending, POUND FOR POUND'. They weren't warning of over-spending, of borrowing too much etc. They weren't holding the government to account, saying 'hey, you're spending too much money'. They said "We will do the same, POUND FOR POUND".

They are hypocrites if they talk of the 'mess Labour got us into'. When the global crash happened, I think Alister Darling did a fairly amazing job of getting us through it without massive unemployment ensuing. It wasn't like the recession of the early 90s, when companies were failing all over the place, and there was enormous unemployment and hardship. I think the Labour Government did make mistakes, and I personally think the spending was out of control, but the Tories are in no position to criticise, they made a great play out of saying they would do the same, POUND FOR POUND.

LilyBolero · 27/07/2011 21:25

claig, that was admitted by all the parties as being the single most important issue in the last election.

claig · 27/07/2011 21:33

Yes but that was before the crash. After teh crash, they had to deal with new circumstances, they were flexible enough to change their policy, while New Labour carried on down their blinkered path.

Alastair Darling knew there was an election coming, so he started spending like there was no tomorrow, which of course there wasn't for the Labour party. He left all the problems for his successors. He was like a Labour libertine, a profligate progressive, spending the people's money like a gambler in a casino, living for today and sod tomorrow and sod the people. When the game was up, when the bell tolled, they left a not saying sorry "there's no money left". But that doesn't stop them lecturing George Osborne, the man who has taken on the task of clearing up the almighty Labour mess.

claig · 27/07/2011 21:35

Yes, but nobody votes on only one issue. I had hundreds of reasons for not voting Labour, and all of them were equally valid.

claig · 27/07/2011 22:19

Labour played roulette with the people's future. They were playing a game of fortune, a game of spin the wheel, because they had nothing else left. They stuck it all on red, the croupier said "rien ne va plus", the ball landed on green and the country was stuffed through and through.

claig · 27/07/2011 22:21

That's why the country turned blue and chose Cameron and his crew.

Ponders · 27/07/2011 22:41

black, not green

claig · 27/07/2011 22:45

Yes, sorry, black not green, and a black day it was too

Ponders · 27/07/2011 22:51

yes, dear Smile

have you had your meds tonight?

claig · 27/07/2011 22:52

My only med is champagne, which I drink to celebrate Cameron and Co.

ironman · 27/07/2011 22:54

'The country turned blue for Cameron and his crew'. Claig are you the songwriter for Tiny Tempah or is it Tiny Temper? Whatever....
it was a good rap!Grin

ironman · 27/07/2011 22:57

Yes Claig, get out the champers for Cameron! Cheers! Wine

claig · 27/07/2011 22:58

Thank you, ironman. Not sure who Tiny Temper is, but if you mean Alan Johnson, certainly not!

edam · 27/07/2011 23:04

Love the idea that Cameron is sincere. Grin His only experience outside politics is in PR, fgs... Take a few moments to look at his record and you'll see clearly that he is no more sincere than any other shyster.

claig · 27/07/2011 23:08

I don't think that is fair. I think he is more sincere than Tony Blair.

Ponders · 27/07/2011 23:13

that's because you want to, claig

he is very good at slithering out from taking responsibility for things & making it look like "listening" (eg selling off the forests)

he is not as good as he thinks he is at convincing the electorate that what he says must be taken at face value

claig · 27/07/2011 23:16

But he changed his policy based on feedback from the people. He listened but without the progressive pomposity of calling it a 'Big Conversation' as done by Labour Big Brother

Ponders · 27/07/2011 23:22

no, he let his minions put the proposals forward & take the flak & then he said I HAVE LISTENED & got the credit for not pissing us off any more

"without the progressive pomposity of calling it a 'Big Conversation'"

Big Society ring any bells?

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