Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Politics

Time for a shake-up in the Benefit System

97 replies

mamaonthemoor · 25/01/2011 22:06

We've just had a conversation with an unemployed eighteen year old couple that has made us feel like mugs. They have never worked a day in their lives, went straight from school to the dole. They get everything paid for i.e rent, council tax, plus weekly money for food etc. They are getting help towards their other bills such as electricity and have just received a grant that they don't have to repay for furniture in their new accomodation. My husband and myself work and pay our taxes, we have five children the eldest is working but still living at home, one at college, 2 at school and a baby. We own our home. If this couple were to go and get a job they would be five hundred pounds a month worse off,they said to us why should they work and it's true. I tried to say for your own self respect, so that you can do the things in life that you want to and so that the likes of us are not paying to keep you but really when you look at it what incentive do they have?They get up late, spend the day on xbox and tv, then pub in the evening, it seems this is enough for them, a habit easily slipped into. They will of course in time advance themselves the only way they can by having children so that they will be provided with a bigger house and more money. It makes me sick though that this is possible. It's about time the government put a stop to all of this. Everybody occassionally needs a little help along the way but this current situation if ridiculous, I'm not talking about the disabled benefits of course but the government keep threating this great shake up in the system, it seems that it's actually only really affecting the people that actually need the help. People that are losing benefits they need such as the disabled, the sick and elderly and not these abled bodied people that should be earning their own livings.

OP posts:
StewieGriffinsMom · 25/01/2011 22:06

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

YeButerfleogeEffete · 25/01/2011 22:08

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

StewieGriffinsMom · 25/01/2011 22:17

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Takver · 25/01/2011 22:33

Do your 18 year olds get free paragraph breaks on the State too?

mamaonthemoor · 25/01/2011 22:38

Don't know what you mean by free paragraph breaks?

OP posts:
mamaonthemoor · 25/01/2011 22:40

Ok I think I get it.(blush) Needed a rant and it all came out too quick.

OP posts:
MissQue · 25/01/2011 22:41

Biscuit [bbiscuit] Bear

been wanting to try those smilies Grin

Appletrees · 25/01/2011 22:42

Mama, you are wasting your breath. Obviously it does, but nobody here will talk about it. It's very sad. It's like self-censorship. No one can move forward until people talk honestly about it.

There is a lot of wastage of public money but, sad to say, parts of the rather inflated benefits system are only the tip of the iceberg. Take the PFI story today. That's just one example. The welfare story seems to be a case of wastage in some areas and terrible deprivation in others, such as care.

However, I agree in part that it's not just money being wasted, it's a mindset. People are being wasted, lots of young people too. No pun intended there.

mackereltaitai · 25/01/2011 22:46

Would you swap with them?

Right now, right here? No work history, no ambition, probably not much in the way of qualifications, no children, social tenancy? Is their life so good you would swap, right now? Really? Because I wouldn't. Even though I sometimes hate my work and sometimes hate my life, and worry about money, i wouldn't be them, not in a million years.

Yes, I agree with you in a way, of course they should be looking for work, and ideally getting it too, and for years and years and years there have been various initiatives targeting households just like theirs.

Are you willing to see them homeless? Because that's the next step. All benefits are under threat. And people are more and more open about their hatred for those 'other people' who claim benefits, making us all more and more divided. It's not helpful.

Appletrees · 25/01/2011 22:49

They could have worked hard at school, looked for work that pays better and so on. They do get a free education after all. It's hardly the OP's fault they didn't take advantage of it.

mackereltaitai · 25/01/2011 22:53

No it isn't. I did say I agreed with her in some ways. I just think saying that they made her feel like a mug because she hadn't done the same - I don't think she would want to, at heart.

Appletrees · 25/01/2011 22:55

Fair enough. Smile But I don't know, some people do look at that and think, oh stuff it. I'm doing that. Well obviously some people must. There was a thread in the last three days about five girls from someone's daughter's school getting pregnant because they saw single motherhood as the best chance of a career. Obviously it's attractive to some people.

mamaonthemoor · 25/01/2011 23:00

No I wouldn't swap with them and I wouldn't want to see them homeless. I just think it's made to easy for them to fall into this way of life.

OP posts:
imright · 25/01/2011 23:04

Why should they work? You and your husband are keeping them! Encouraged by the state. I'm surprised at that age they have the nerve/cheek, to tell you all this.

Why are you a mug? Far from it, you are being good role models for your children.

In fact what will happen if they have children? They can hardly supply them with a good life can they?

No hold your head up high, but in saying that I would have told them "FFS get jobs you lazy bastards!"Grin

mamaonthemoor · 25/01/2011 23:04

I meant I felt like a mug because we are working ahd it's our taxes that keep them, and also because when they said they'd be five hundred pounds a month worse off what could I say that would be any encouragement to them to change.

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 25/01/2011 23:07
Biscuit
mackereltaitai · 25/01/2011 23:22

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood the mug bit. I'm sure I would have been struck dumb too.

Appletrees · 25/01/2011 23:33

these biscuits are so boring

they're like, malted milk or something

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 25/01/2011 23:40

wow - where do they get this money for paying electricity and the likes???

Because I've sure as hell never heard of such thing

mamaonthemoor · 25/01/2011 23:46

No they get their rent paid, their council tax plus money for food etc. They are 18 only able to go for minimum wage jobs as not qualified to do anything else.

OP posts:
BaroqueAroundTheClock · 25/01/2011 23:52

yes - but you said

"They are getting help towards their other bills such as electricity "

and I wondered where one accessed such help......

actually just realised my calculations may have been slightly out in my last post - minimum wage for 18-21yr old's is only £4.92 - I worked it out on £5.93 that adult rate.

But still £500 worse off sounds like a porky.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 25/01/2011 23:57

yes it is - working at the 18-21 minimum age rate they'd still get a large chunk of their rent and council tax paid for them.

Unless they meant they couldn't take 12hr a week cleaning jobs..........as yes - like with most people on benefits those jobs are "no-man's" land in terms of employment. Enough to lose the JSA/IS, not enough (if you have children) to get WTC, although you do still at least get your HB and CTC.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 26/01/2011 00:00
newwave · 26/01/2011 00:15

Maybe if the minimum wage was raised to a decent level for all then this situation would be far less prevalent.

I do however detect some bullshit in their figures, were they trying to wind you up?.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 26/01/2011 00:16

that's what I think newwave - it all sounds a bit bullshitish to me too Grin

Swipe left for the next trending thread