Supporting disbaled people unsustainable?

[SantasMooningArse]

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I hate this sort of uncertainty. I have trained part and full time for seven years now alongside two disabled kids to get to the point where I was hoping to train in social work in 2013- but if DLA vaniushes it will be unaffordable. I feel we have lived up to every Tory ideal, battling redundancy, my DH's illness and the boy's SN with constant battles to get back on line, and now I think I might just give up after all- can;t train until thenas no childcare means DH must be working from home to care and he dosn;t qualify until then, and we will need to move and cannot do so with the SNU realistically until 2013 (a SW trained where we are in Wales cannot practice in England but we need to get back to family badly for support and help, both for them as they age and us as we try and fit in work).

Working in tesco woudln't ever cover the huge costs of disability childcare.

I acknowledge that this is a left wing article, there's a thread on this in SN with a less reactionary letter from teh NAS C&P's to it, but is this how big society was meant to work? Sorry disabled people, there's no money- saldy when it comes to ds3 there's no cure either- can I never afford to die then? Will there be any care left for him?

Also agree about suicides.

There'll also be a major knock-on to the NHS. Which will become a pay-at-point-of-use service anyway...

Why will the NHS become pay at the point of service?

"Surely this behaviour tilts the system towards fraudsters - if you're well and experienced, you're much more able to fashion a winning scorecard than someone exhausted and impaired?"

Exactly.

See to me it would make sense to contact the GP of the claimant, but they currently wont. And even when we got to the tribunal stage they still didn't, we had to provide it. Surely that would be more useful than the stupid forms.

It's not a necessary consequence, but a lot of welfare-state-reformers would like it (that's the point of the new consortia - to create units of suitable size and structure for privatisation, either entirely or to buy in eg accounting, legal, admin services privately).

Additional pressure on the NHS from any quarter, but particularly from the workless (those scumbags) will add weight to the argument that in order to be Fair (TM), users should pay per visit.

Sorry, that was about pay per use NHS.

thisisanicecage- I think there's more chance of Gordon Brown being hired as a special advisor on fiscal responsibility than the NHS becoming pay at the point of service.

hudd, may I point out the Tories opposed the formation of the NHS and they want to destroy it, anything they say to the contrary are weasel words.

The Conservative Party under Churchill in 1945 was a totally different beast to the modern day Conservative Party so I don't think you can make comparisons. The health budget is one of the few budgets that is actually going to see a real terms increase in funding although it is likely to come under greater pressure due to the demographics of the society.

hudd, so why do the Tories want to turn the NHS into a cash cow for private enterprise.

The Doctor consortiums will end up as private companies with shareholders to "feed". Money for patients will end up as dividends and bonuses.

Keep private companies out of the NHS.

"I think there's more chance of Gordon Brown being hired as a special advisor on fiscal responsibility than the NHS becoming pay at the point of service."

God I hope you're right. But we may have to fight to keep it that way - you'll be there to wheel me out and build me into a barricade won't you?

But DLA is good for the NHS, n'est-ce pas? As I understand it, it's cheaper to keep people at home with low level, often non-specialist, care than to wait till things go pear-shaped and intervene very expensively.

Are they not giving doctors more autonomy in order to reduce the number of bureaucrats and the amount of red tape that exists in the NHS.
Why is having private companies in healthcare a bad thing?

Why is having private companies in healthcare a bad thing? THIS IS WHY

The Doctor consortiums will end up as private companies with shareholders to "feed". Money for patients will end up as dividends and bonuses.

TBH I would outlaw private heath care, bloody queue jumpers the lot of them. My son got hurt skiing (ankle injury) 10 week plus wait on the NHS his company had private healthcare and he was seen at a time he liked with 7 days. wrong wrong wrong

The consortiums will ration treatment and operations to increase "shareholder value"

The Conservative Party under Churchill in 1945 was a totally different beast to the modern day Conservative Party

No it is not just better at hiding it.

Other European countries use private healthcare to provide their universal healthcare systems and they perform better than we do in international rankings.

Not quite right, a lot use not for profit organisations or limit what profit can be made. The Tories will have a free for all at patients expense

" in order to reduce the number of bureaucrats"

No. The admin will still have to be done. Except now, instead of being done by specialist administrative bodies, with economies of scale and comparatively cheap but experienced paper-pushers, it will be done by doctors who could be spending their very expensive time more productively.

To solve which, it is anticipated that the doctors' consortia will throw that admin work off again to specialist private administrators. So there will then be administrators' wages plus profits coming out of the same cake. But without the economies of scale and bargaining power of a large body like a health authority.

Divide and rule: doctors can be kings of their own, very tiny kingdoms; rather than a small cog in a large, very powerful empire with huge buying power, etc.

Cage, at last someone without blinkers, thank you.

Given that other European countries with better healthcare than ours use private healthcare to deliver their universal healthcare why can't we do the same. Surely we should be looking to emulate systems that are better our current one.

10 week plus wait on the NHS his company had private healthcare and he was seen at a time he liked with 7 days. wrong wrong wrong.

The only thing wrong is the 10 week wait, did you not have insurance that covered ski ing injuries, that seems ridiculous ?

We put the railways into private hands now it has bigger subsidies (due to the need to make a profit) a fragmented service and fare rises far above inflation.

The privatised utilities are a grat success story, not, tell Sid we were ripped off.

The NHS will go the same way

To solve which, it is anticipated that the doctors' consortia will throw that admin work off again to specialist private administrators.

That's not always a bad thing though, specialist medical secretary's don't make the errors that can cost lives.
Trying to do somethings on the cheap can be very dangerous.

He didnt have to wait 10 weeks his company scheme paid for private care. The insurance was debatable, as a newbie he should have stayed on the nursery slopes and he did not this invalidated his insurance (we think) and it was only minor-ish (is that a word ?) twisted ankle but causing pain.

TBH we nevr got the full details of what happened, probably sodding about.

Mama, every penny paid to the owners of private facilities is a penny less on patients.

We will end up with the USA model not the European one "no money! then fuck off and die"

Watch Sicko to see where were heading.