cuts - Wednesday's Spending Review

[mrsbaldwin]

Brace yourself ladies - these cuts are big, there will be tens of thousands of public sector redundancies and it's said (by the Fawcett Society amongst others) that they will disproportionately affect women.

Some workers will get some sort of payoff, and some will be pleased to go. Some will find new jobs.

But I reckon the overall effect (licks finger and holds it in the wind) will be to drive down women's wages, meaning that once you are made redundant from your public sector post you may find more work but it will be at a lower rate and the extra competition for jobs across the board will drive wages down across the board. This may be true for men as well but I think it will affect women - mums - more.

If you are watching the press coverage on Weds, what do you think the effects of the cuts and the job losses for women (and mums) will be?

TTp is a chav at heart since believes everything she is told

'kin'ell.

I think this thread might finally convince my idiot Lib-voting dh of the error of his ways.

'Dh! Come & REALLY LOOK at what a Tory looks like!'

It's my own fault for marrying a toyboy who doesn't remember what the bastards were like last time...

It's none of it good, is it?

raven - you get a 6yr freeze on your TV licence - that's got to be good news surely

(although of course the feckless working poor and benefits scroungers shouldn't have TV's anyhow )

I'm sorry to say this but I have had a nagging feeling all day that the cuts proposed today were not big enough and more will be needed. I did not have anything to back up this feeling but this excellent analysis by Stephanie Flanders at the BBC confirms what I suspected.

" If the government follows through on this spending review, public spending in 2014-15 will be 4% lower, in real terms than it is today - but account for roughly the same share of the economy as it was spending in 2005-6."

As she rightly points out. The cuts proposed only bring spending back to its long term relentless upward trendline. These are not deep cuts at all. They only look deep relative to the steep rise in spending above trend in the last few years of the last Labour Govt.

In my view there is more to come and if GDP starts to fall (i.e if the economy goes into a double dip recessions) another 10% - 20% real terms cuts will be needed.

why can't we all get real and realise that the cuts HAVE to come from very many different areas

as an ex public service employee i have seen massive waste at first hand - only last week
going to my local town centre i passed a
group of council workmen - there were 11 of them 'working' on flower beds - well 3 were
working and the rest standing around, some
were smoking, others sitting on the edge of the planters chatting etc. now i know that some of them may have been on a break - but on my way back just an hour later just 2 of them were working !!!!!!

i can also tell you of the sick rota system where charts were kept to make sure that the linking in system was adhered to -

when i left to work in accountancy i was appalled to see, when auditing private company accounts what the public sector were paying to contractors for services - £1500 for a bathroom suite that had cost £120 at trade etc etc and these had gone out to tender so who approves these rates ??

a local health authority is paying 8.5% on their child care voucher scheme to their preferred provider - WHY when there are very mmany schemes charging 2.5% or less

just a few examples

but the more you cut the less people have to spend which will send the enconomy diving even more

mollymole

dont think theres any one who would argue that there are areas which could be cut and should be cut

But nee dmake sure its the most vunverable those without a voice who are protected not the fat cats turning a nice proffit

mollymole, I don't dispute for one minute that there are real savings to made in the public sector. Both of my parents and my brother worked for the local authority for many years and the waste was astounding.

I just don't see how the cuts announced today are actually going to change any of that.

Jeez, I shouldn't have clicked on this thread again. I'm just trying hard not to utterly lose my rag that the teaching budget for my subject has just been obliterated, when I come on here and see people in REAL need of public support being attacked by fucking heartless idiots who have no idea about how the world.

I wish I could believe that what goes around comes around and all the thickos attacking parents of SN kids will end up dying a cold lonely and painful death, stinking in their own shit unwiped for a lack of care services. But I fear they only think as they do because they're so cosseted in their own wealth AND arrogance AND stupidity that they'll simply move off this mortal coil in luxury. And I don't believe in the afterlife so I can't wish evil on them there either. But I send them all one curse: may the cold inside you grow until you can bear it no longer.

Bastards.

joins in with the applause

mind just think what there teaching their darling children and somehow if mummy needs help when older it wont be them helping dear mummy out becuase they have been taught not to give a dam

where my children yes they have their mum on benfits ,

but they will grow up caring and kind children into kind and caring adults who see that small things can bring great joy becuase they live with it

and before any of the one swho think my dc will grow up to live on benfits becuase i do think again .

Ds1 is at collage and has pt job , ds2 is at school studying hard and is aiming for Cambridge dd well shes only 7 but she already wants to work with people that are poorly in hospital becuase she has spent time in there and watch what her little brothers been through

Well, while everybody gives each other big hugs and lives off fairy dust.

There. Is. No. Money.

You can't share what's not there.

dam there sme thinking i live dof fresh air and moon dust

Halloweese

No one is saying there does not need to be cuts see mollymole post we need to look at where those cuts are landing and who there going to hurt becuase it wont be the fat cats

To follow on from roundthebend, I guess none of the heartless fuckers will ever witness their 10 year old daughter crying whilst promising to look after her brother when his mother has died in my response to her question of who will look after him. She's 10 ffs and she gets that some in our society will always need support.

Too easy for some people to compartmentalise other people's lives in some part of their brain where they don't have to think about it as long as it means their taxes don't go up.

sheesh

Never mind the cuts, someone stole my name

These "fat cats" actually contribute the most and take the least.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

There. Is. No. Money. Well to be fair they are warming up the printing press again, so there is money just not enough of it.
I do not believe that children will starve, families will be on the streets etc even if it means charities are supporting these people, everyone will get through this but the money might not be deposited in your account once a week that's all and if it comes to shop lifting from Tesco's well so be it, I wouldn't convict you !

That is very odd LadyBB, I thought you must've just changed it

really see mollymoles post about bathroom costing *180 yet tender for £1500 .

Or them sitting their with there excetutive toys thinking hmm i know lets make the waiting list 6 months now not 3 .

Or those with their big cars hmm yes there taxed but trust me they have their hand sout as was seen on the Cb threads how many people that claimed Cb really needed it but hey were entitled so going to claim anyway and im not talking thos ewho are in thresh hold

talking those that have private trust fund thos ethat give their dc bigger allowances for that and how many of them in a emergency will us ethe nhs and use the police fire brigade so dont tell me that they dont benfit from the goverment either

everybody takes at some level you used the nhs should we told you go away you can afford to pay so you should