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What do creationists make of the Cern experiment today?

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beansprout · 10/09/2008 13:27

It's getting a huge amount of coverage here in the UK. Is it getting much coverage in the US? What do people with a different viewpoint make of it?

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seeker · 11/09/2008 13:02

I kow it was a typo, wolfgirl, but I do like "creationish" Is that believing that God created the first life forms that then evolved into what we have today, rather than creating all the species fully developed?

Wolfgirl · 11/09/2008 13:19

at spelling. Mmmmm.... we are stalking the boundaries of literalism now. Do we take the bible literally, or just as examples, hyperthetically speaking, or a fairy tale?

Me? I will ask God when I get to heaven, cos I have no answers right now. I do know I belive in God, and that the Bible teaches us His word, His ways, His character, life skills and above all - He gave us Jesus for our salvation.

I do believe all that.

Milliways · 11/09/2008 20:12

Interesting Questions here

Weegiemum · 12/09/2008 11:13

My view (which I think is shared by evolutionary biologists) is that lots and lots of Micro-evolution (which many here seem to ascribe to) leads to Macro-evolution. A new species forms out of the infinite miniscule changes in a previous species.

There are some here who say there is not enough time - I think (having studied this fairly extensively at Uni and kept up with it afterwards as best I can) that we might say that 2.5. or 4.6 billion years is not enough - but tbh we have no idea what a length of time we are talking about when we get down to it.

I'm a Christian - and I mean a serious go-to-church-every-week-and-housegroup-on-thursdays planning-to-go-abroad-to work-with-the-destitute-poor type of Christian.

But I am also a trained Geography/Geology graduate and a teacher.

I see no disconnect between the cultic myth of how the world was made (in Genesis - using the true meanings of both Cultic and Mythic) and the evolutionary method.

One explains to the people of several thousand years ago how it happens. One is relevant today.

There is a real problem here on this thread with the semantic meaning of the word "Theory". In scientific terms, it pretty much means something we can rely on. Some biologists are now using the term "Axiom" rather than "theory" as it means something we know to be true. I have no bother with that.

If my children were ever expected to listen to the "controversy" about evolution vs intelligent design/creation in a science class I would be appealing to withdraw them on religious grounds. In a religion class, no problem. But they willl not be exposed to inferior religious crap with no scientific basis in a science class if I have anything to do with it.

My BIL was involved last year in producing a tremendously damaging film about the need to "teach the controversy" in the US. I have looked into it in a LOT of detail. While there may be a religious reason to do so, there is no scientific reason.

But over all, I think this is a bit of a red herring. I believe the big bang was God saying "let there be light". I think it was far more amazing for Him to produce a living, breathing, changing, evolving universe than a fixed, static one that He occasionally stuck a new species into.

Just my 2p. But a fairly well and extensively thought through one!

trockodile · 12/09/2008 20:22

francis s collins makes a lot of sense to me

trockodile · 12/09/2008 20:24

And I think i agree with Weegiemum

bloss · 12/09/2008 20:47

Message withdrawn

Weegiemum · 12/09/2008 21:29

trockodile

Noone ever agrees with me (much)

I feel all loved!

(also bloss, I though the same then got pulled into the thread and ended up posting my views. You are far more clear thinking!)

Peachy · 12/09/2008 21:40

I don't understand why anyone would doubt evolution?

we now that genes change- lots of genetic disorders due to both inherited and spontaneius changes. If say a leopard is going through life hobbling with 3 legs and has a 90% being eaten rate, then there's a change and one strange 4 legged leopard is born who doesn't die and breeds lots as a result and whose kids have 4 legs so don't get eaten and.....

what's not to get?

Papillon · 13/09/2008 03:00

whatever happened on that fateful day
none of us can really say
but sex became the way to play

so bring on the sex!

afterall we all believe in that eh...

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