What do creationists make of the Cern experiment today?

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It's getting a huge amount of coverage here in the UK. Is it getting much coverage in the US? What do people with a different viewpoint make of it?

lacymetro, what is the probablity of htat exact thing happening every single day for the rest of your life? whatever it is, it is far higher than that of evolution.

Two words: Richard Dawkins.

Read and be inspired!

Meanwhile, since stich didn't think the evolution of MRSA was relevant (though it seemed in line with the rest of this thread to me) I thought I'd see if a quick google would turn up the answer to the OPs question.
Not much yet, but apparently the CERN scientists have had death threats. What a suprise.

but stitch you accept creationism, for which there is no evidence at all?

stitch, you're just saying things about probability like they are fact when they are just your own biased opinions.

Lou
the same things you say about humans apply to every other animal
yet humans are somehow special? why's that?

Stitch - true - I am not ready to consider you bonkers per se....but my empirical observation is that you (nor I) are in a position to make a sweeoing statement like the one you did i that post...and i think that particular statement...just the statement, not you, (necessarily ) was , indeed, bonkers! Especially as you mention the number of species not stil in existence...and the probablity (based on soil samples etc etc) that climate and atmospheric changes were responsible for big extinctions etc.

So yes, your personal observation is that I do not usually call people bonkers...but you cannot say for fact that I never would .

XXXXXX Blu

human development is an amazing thing...
so is mouse development...
so is fish development
the natural world is fascinating and complex
believing in a rational and scientific explanation for how these things came about does not make them any less wonderful

To those who asked what happened before the big bang. The question is meaningless since time (and space) did not exist. There was no 'before'

Donk - that is such a hard concept - perhaps because we think with material brains!

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am curious stitch as to exacty how long you think would be required for life on earth to have evolved to this point if 2.5 billion years isn't quite long enough...

Wow...

Well I believe in God and I believe in evolution, and the pursuit of scientific knowledge.

I believe in angels and I believe in the Big Bang theory.

"The sign of the truly intelligent individual is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." (F. Scott Fitzgerald) So I'm clearly a genius

Our church had a sign outside a few weeks back that said 'Faith and doubt are both needed in here.' I think they're both needed everywhere personally - in religion and science.

I find Richard Dawkins and Creationists equally scarey - anyone who knows that they are right needs to be put on some sort of 'watch list'. The only rational response to the world is puzzled bewilderment followed by making a cup of tea.

Yes, and temporal brains. we are probably always going to be limited in our understanding because of our subjective experience of space and time - only glimpsing deeper through mathematics which frankly most of us can't understand anyway.

But that doesn't mean we should ever stop trying to understand as much as we can!

Exactly, Grimma!

I love that Damien Hirst Shark - "the impossibility of understanding death with a living mind".

"The sign of the truly intelligent individual is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

um. Yes, hold them in your mind long enough to examine and weigh them and then try to decide which (if either) is actually TRUE.

my mistake about the eukaryotic and prokaryotic organism.s oops

however, yeast and humans are uite different

Donk if you read that children's book I linked to below you will see an alternate view about "what existed" before "the big bang".

Blu, I never "decided" anything; it's more "came to an understanding" I think.

mabanana, thanks for all the links

I'm gearing up to read Origin of the Species properly.

Are you a science fan? Do you have other handy links up your sleeve? If so I may be pestering you from time to time

Thenk you

Blu, you want to try teaching special relativity to year 13.

Now there's hard!

blu, that doesnt mean that i am not bonkers! just that you usually find more articulute, politer ways of dealing with people, thand calling them bonkers.

i only came back here to say this, as i really must pretend to go and do some housweork now.
belief in evolution requires a leap of faith. one that i am not willing to make. in the same way that belief in god requires a leap of faith. some people are willing to make it. others are not.

Ooh Donk. Could you try explaining relativity to a rather dim but very enthusiastic 43 yr old please? My interest on science usually ends up making me very very worried about just how much I fail to understand.

I too have decided to broaden my understanding of science now I'm in my fifth decade

Well we ask them to imagine the light travelling from a passing train to an outside observer - and also what an observer on the train sees. But I generally use a lot of diagrams which is a bit difficult on MN.

'The Time and Space of Uncle Albert' by Russell Stannard gives a good basic (and non-mathematical) description if you don't mind children's books