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Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,

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Justmerach · 19/01/2026 15:47

Hi, I was following the “Do you believe in God thread” and it seems to have been closed. I read a post and wanted to reply to somebody who said that Jesus is not the Son of God. I just wanted to reply to them that why in Christianity in the scripture that we know that Jesus is the Son of God and explain why in my faith scripture supports that Jesus Christ is Only true Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of God but was also a prophet. He is also the redeemer to come as this post will explain.

Let me first say first in all three faiths we share much of the Old Testament and believe in the same God. I remember this topic right from my university days comparative studies between all three faiths.

I want to share a document about the Messiah prophecies about Jesus Christ to come that are in the Old Testament and commonly used online.

The Messiah prophecies have all be attached can be clicked on saved and enlarged. It comes in five images.

The word Christ and its Hebrew parallel means the anointed one which Christ is. Not added to that document above and to come to your attention-The Rod of Jesse in Isaiah 11 is also a prophecy of Jesus Christ to come. The Rod of Jesse/root of Jesse was the last rod for Jews and culminated with the Lord. Christians on this rod are his followers itself. God’s famous rods started with Aaron which placed which was placed in the arc of Covenant as a reminder and bore flowers as a promise of regeneration for the Jews. Jesus became as Christians our vine and we became him branches in the New Testament (John 15).

A photo of the Rod of Jesse from a church collection willl be attched in the next post.

It is Jesus the redeemer and heir to David who will redeem us all and the Jews to from exile-Jesus is from the offspring and roots of David (Revelation 22: 16). Some Jews believe that the Messiah prophecies are for David to come, but this is inaccurate and it is Jesus who will redeem them. "I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come.

This scripture further points that Jesus Christ will be the one to redeem the Jewish people. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our righteousness Jeremiah (23: 1-6). David will return in the new Jerusalem (Hosea 3:4-5).

Jesus is also known as the Prince of Peace and more attributes which do not point to who is to come as being a mere mortal being and this is mentioned in (Isaiah 9:6). “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

God also confirms in the New Testament Jesus as his only Begeotteon beloved Son –“this is my Beloved only son who I am well pleased" (John 3:16 ). Then in Luke Jesus was asked to this question if was the Son of God and Jesus said that yes he is the Son of God (Luke 22:70). He does not lie and the God the Father simply does not lie as well.

The miracles and healing he gave as we all saw in the New Testament that Jesus Christ ministry gave are well known in the New Testament around 40 in number they were as recorded in the Bible and I saw too with my own eyes in church and in my life, the healing that he gave me. I saw a child who could not walk once an after a few times of healing work at church he started to walk again. This was a miracle of Jesus Christ in our era. It is Jesus Christ who primarily who approves the gifts of the Holy Spirit this as he is the head of the church who appoints these gifts and roles of ministry (Ephesians 4:11).

The Church Body which are made of human beings are the members of the church and Jesus is also the head of the Church and we are part of this body (Ephesians 1:22-23). He promised to send believers a comforter after his resurrection Christ as a Christian gave me the spoken comforter which is the Holy Spirit (John 4:11)? The comforter is the Holy Spirit you receive when you are baptised of water and spirit..

The Son of God is an expression which indentified Jesus of Nazareth as the being who has had an eternal relationship to his Father (Psalm 2:7 ) "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." Christ claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). This too makes clear that Jesus is the Son of God (John 5:18). Also in the New Testament the term the Son of God appears in the New Testament almost 50 times. God also confessed that Jesus was his son at his baptism and at the transfiguration (Matthew 3:16, 17; 17: 5). Jesus also said that he is the Son of God (John 4:15) Revelation (2:18) (John 20:31) (Matthew 4:3) (II Corinthians 1:19) (Luke 8:28), the Jewish Sanhedrin condemned Jesus for blasphemy (Matthew 26: 63-66); (Mark 14 :61).

Jesus also was eighty times called the Son of Man which means God and the Messiah for humans in the New Testament. In Psalm 80 he was also called the Son of Man and was to called the Son of Man throughout Ezekiel to.

Jesus came to life as a mortal divine being through an Immaculate Conception. Angel Gabriel told Jesus' mortal mother to be Mary that she would overpowered by the Holy Spirit and receive a child and that would be God's Son.

This story is found in the Gospels- (Luke 1:26-38)-" And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David". The book of Luke is considered a highly reliable historical source which I know nearly all my life and it is the word of God.

I think in some countries more signs of Christ and the Holy Spirit presence will convince more people that Jesus is the Son of God and that eternal life is near and they will a season at least a while and will stay like young cubs parked with a lion on grass with him.

More history confirming Jesus Christ life is the Dead Sea Scrolls-
The Dead Sea scrolls contain (Isaiah 53) prophecy which is about Jesus Christ life to come. These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and contain Biblical evidence the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete. To our understanding of the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic.

We have done the 1st resurrection of Christ and are waiting for the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) which will happen in a twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and then will come the 2nd judgement and second coming and judgement and then New Earth/Heaven.

We should be working in the field till he comes-"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Matthew 24:20).

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Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 09:21

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 09:00

I made seperate points on both.Yes, I do believe what I stated that there is one God with 3 attributes and personhood.

I was replying to someone's else's comments below.

“- Passages where your very bloodthirsty god specifically murders children:
At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. (Exodus 12:29-30)

  • Jesus never criticised it or expressed any regret for his/his father's bloodlust. His own birth triggered a massacre of baby boys, which God could presumably have stopped but didn't bother.”

Keep in mind there are opposing views that this prophecy did not take place and didn’t invent those opposing views and I am stating them. I don’t think that I confused the story.

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I thought you'd confused those two baby massacres, too, Rach.

Neither of them were prophecies. The bible tells them as enacted history, not fortune-telling.

Your pastor was discussing the Feast of the Holy Innocents. That commemorates Herod's murder of all baby boys because he was afraid of the "new king". This massacre was directly prompted by Jesus's birth. God warned Joseph to run to Egypt with his baby, instead of just changing Herod's mind or killing him or something.

God killed all the Egyptians' eldest sons himself, just to make a point.

Wapentake · 06/02/2026 09:27

GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 08:05

On an idol-related topic, I was most surprised to find @Justmerach had a picture of "the rod of Jesse", an actual wooden artefact. As she stated here, Isiah's prophecy is metaphorical - he's talking about a family tree. It's bewildering that anyone who understands this could simultaneously believe it was a piece of wood (never mind whether it could survive intact for 3,000 years).

Christianity has tons of idols, starting with the dead man on a crucifix. It has bones, carvings of saints, vials of blood, pieces of cloth, lumps of wood, bits of stone, boxes and patched-up corpses, all of them imbued with magical properties. Wonder what the jealous god thinks of all that?!

Yes, having grown up a Catholic in environments where crucifixes were totally unremarkable, I was at first taken aback by how horrified a friend was when moving to a new place and visiting potential primary schools, and had a friendly interview with a teacher sitting under what, to her, entirely understandably, was a sadistic depiction of a naked, bloodied man who has been tortured and executed, and completely inappropriate to be displayed daily to a room of seven year olds. But she’s not wrong. You just ‘unsee’ it as it’s overly familiar.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 09:29

Parker231 · 06/02/2026 08:34

I was talking to DT’s (in their mid 20’s) about this thread. When I moved to the uk I went to a girls private school and religious education was included - I can’t remember much apart from the Lords Prayer. I only remember that because we all also learned what was at that time a rude version which we thought was very funny.
DT’s didn’t go to an English school and religious education was prohibited . Instead they covered beliefs and cultures - always thought that was much more appropriate in a multicultural world.

The education we have had is interesting. Growing up I went to a Catholic school by my parents choice. I went to four catholics schools. I had a really good education and liked RE. I did it in GCSE and it was a long time ago. The studies was compassionate to all human beings and I remember a paper being about caring for other human beings. I am glad that my parents made that decision.
I discovered my faith more myself after I left school and was glad that I had that backgrond.

I had friends from other backgrounds where I lived and we saw no difference as children.

I went onto study at university at 22 after some time out religious studies major and researched into other religions of the world. It is was an interesting time with some very good lecturers of all faiths. I have to brush time up time on the other faiths what I learnt. I have attached what I studied for religion and you can see it was diverse. I later focused on my faith as that is what I believe in and have no need now to focus on other faiths. It is expensive to today unless you want a specific job but online courses are always there and self study. I am not an expert and my ministers are my best teachers.

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RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 09:32

Wapentake · 06/02/2026 09:27

Yes, having grown up a Catholic in environments where crucifixes were totally unremarkable, I was at first taken aback by how horrified a friend was when moving to a new place and visiting potential primary schools, and had a friendly interview with a teacher sitting under what, to her, entirely understandably, was a sadistic depiction of a naked, bloodied man who has been tortured and executed, and completely inappropriate to be displayed daily to a room of seven year olds. But she’s not wrong. You just ‘unsee’ it as it’s overly familiar.

Especially given that commandment about no graven images.

I recall reading that it was a disagreement over icons that caused the great schism in the Church. But you would not think it today, as both East and West churches have icons all over.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 09:40

GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 09:21

I thought you'd confused those two baby massacres, too, Rach.

Neither of them were prophecies. The bible tells them as enacted history, not fortune-telling.

Your pastor was discussing the Feast of the Holy Innocents. That commemorates Herod's murder of all baby boys because he was afraid of the "new king". This massacre was directly prompted by Jesus's birth. God warned Joseph to run to Egypt with his baby, instead of just changing Herod's mind or killing him or something.

God killed all the Egyptians' eldest sons himself, just to make a point.

This is what the preacher said below about the massacre from Herod the prophecy-he said it may have remained a prophecy but that it may not have taken place. The firstborn slaying was addressed seperately from the story of the first born males with King Herod.

"Now if such a story was true, it would be the very height of human barbarism. But most scholars tell us there is no factual basis for this story. So we cannot know for sure of well its historicity is in doubt. But it almost certainly developed out of the story of Pharaoh's attempt to kill the Israelite children as related in the book of Exodus. but as told in an expanded version that was doing the rounds in the first century. But the lack of any solid historical evidence for this story does not negate ts power to move us".

King Herod's attempt to kill Jesus is narrated in Matthew 2, where he orders the "Massacre of the Innocents"—the killing of all boys aged two and under in Bethlehem—after being outwitted by the Magi
. This event is described as fulfilling the prophecy of Rachel weeping for her children in Jeremiah 31:15.
Key Details Regarding the Prophecy and Event:

  • The Prophecy: Matthew 2:17-18 cites Jeremiah 31:15: "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more".
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RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 09:44

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 09:40

This is what the preacher said below about the massacre from Herod the prophecy-he said it may have remained a prophecy but that it may not have taken place. The firstborn slaying was addressed seperately from the story of the first born males with King Herod.

"Now if such a story was true, it would be the very height of human barbarism. But most scholars tell us there is no factual basis for this story. So we cannot know for sure of well its historicity is in doubt. But it almost certainly developed out of the story of Pharaoh's attempt to kill the Israelite children as related in the book of Exodus. but as told in an expanded version that was doing the rounds in the first century. But the lack of any solid historical evidence for this story does not negate ts power to move us".

King Herod's attempt to kill Jesus is narrated in Matthew 2, where he orders the "Massacre of the Innocents"—the killing of all boys aged two and under in Bethlehem—after being outwitted by the Magi
. This event is described as fulfilling the prophecy of Rachel weeping for her children in Jeremiah 31:15.
Key Details Regarding the Prophecy and Event:

  • The Prophecy: Matthew 2:17-18 cites Jeremiah 31:15: "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more".

Quote " . But the lack of any solid historical evidence for this story does not negate ts power to move us"."

And you are ok with this explanation ?

Wapentake · 06/02/2026 09:46

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 09:40

This is what the preacher said below about the massacre from Herod the prophecy-he said it may have remained a prophecy but that it may not have taken place. The firstborn slaying was addressed seperately from the story of the first born males with King Herod.

"Now if such a story was true, it would be the very height of human barbarism. But most scholars tell us there is no factual basis for this story. So we cannot know for sure of well its historicity is in doubt. But it almost certainly developed out of the story of Pharaoh's attempt to kill the Israelite children as related in the book of Exodus. but as told in an expanded version that was doing the rounds in the first century. But the lack of any solid historical evidence for this story does not negate ts power to move us".

King Herod's attempt to kill Jesus is narrated in Matthew 2, where he orders the "Massacre of the Innocents"—the killing of all boys aged two and under in Bethlehem—after being outwitted by the Magi
. This event is described as fulfilling the prophecy of Rachel weeping for her children in Jeremiah 31:15.
Key Details Regarding the Prophecy and Event:

  • The Prophecy: Matthew 2:17-18 cites Jeremiah 31:15: "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more".

So the Bible is completely 100% true and inerrant, the literal word of God, apart from the unpleasant stuff in which your God behaves like a sadistic genocidal maniac with an entirely arbitrary sense of ‘justice’?

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 09:56

Wapentake · 06/02/2026 09:46

So the Bible is completely 100% true and inerrant, the literal word of God, apart from the unpleasant stuff in which your God behaves like a sadistic genocidal maniac with an entirely arbitrary sense of ‘justice’?

I read Young Earth Creationist stuff now and then. "Answers in Genesis". Ken Ham and the like. There is hardly a sentence without a lie, a misrepresentation, or a logical fallacy to be found.

And YECs think all other Christians will burn in hell because they do not believe in the great flood.

It's astounding.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 10:00

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 09:44

Quote " . But the lack of any solid historical evidence for this story does not negate ts power to move us"."

And you are ok with this explanation ?

It was a prophecy which some say not have taken place as I have shown and you can research more on this yourself if you wish. It reads like it took place literally to me and as the preacher said it would be very difficult and I agree. It was not directly though caused by God though if this happened. I read over the scripture again.

This post is really about Jesus Christ being the Son of God using scripture is going all over the place a bit. This post is not about why does God allow suffering in the world which is another discussion.

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RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 10:11

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 10:00

It was a prophecy which some say not have taken place as I have shown and you can research more on this yourself if you wish. It reads like it took place literally to me and as the preacher said it would be very difficult and I agree. It was not directly though caused by God though if this happened. I read over the scripture again.

This post is really about Jesus Christ being the Son of God using scripture is going all over the place a bit. This post is not about why does God allow suffering in the world which is another discussion.

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I have researched it. It never happened.

That is why I left Christianity, and it's a large part of the reason I am now atheist.

Bible research only goes one way in my experience. That is towards it all being made up.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 10:24

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 10:11

I have researched it. It never happened.

That is why I left Christianity, and it's a large part of the reason I am now atheist.

Bible research only goes one way in my experience. That is towards it all being made up.

That is not so. I was given the advocate that Jesus promised to his believers in John and many others recieved this to. I got healing at church through the sacraments without asking. It was Jesus who gave that to me. No other healings act like the healing he does. The Dead sea scrolls are there which were found in caves in Jericho.
My minister will weigh in on the Acts 5 story when I meet with them on the 15th to discuss that story and also others things to, so I may post their response and if interested if this thread is still open, may be check back then for it.

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Justmerach · 06/02/2026 10:41

^
I was writing from memory about the Dead sea scrolls in my post just above. The Dead Sea scrolls contain several prophecies which is about Jesus Christ life to come. This is from a Bible below on this.

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Wapentake · 06/02/2026 10:57

OP, I think you're very confused.

No one is denying the existence of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

They are a big collection of manuscripts discovered in the 1940s and 50s in the West Bank, and carbon and other dating methods suggest they come from the last three centuries BCE and the first century CE, written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, and which include the oldest known manuscripts of some Biblical texts (and lots of texts which are not in the canonical Bible).

They are interesting because they predate the oldest previously known MS of Bible texts.

They don't prove the 'truth' of anything claimed in the Bible any more than the existence of the manuscript of Alice in Wonderland in the British Library proves that a girl called Alice actually fell down a rabbit hole and had adventures with the Mad Hatter, the Cheshire Cat and the March Hare.

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 11:00

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 10:41

^
I was writing from memory about the Dead sea scrolls in my post just above. The Dead Sea scrolls contain several prophecies which is about Jesus Christ life to come. This is from a Bible below on this.

You make a claim, then post a photo that does not back up your claim.

And in any case, just because there are fragments of old documents does not mean the prophecies are true.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 11:05

Wapentake · 06/02/2026 10:57

OP, I think you're very confused.

No one is denying the existence of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

They are a big collection of manuscripts discovered in the 1940s and 50s in the West Bank, and carbon and other dating methods suggest they come from the last three centuries BCE and the first century CE, written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, and which include the oldest known manuscripts of some Biblical texts (and lots of texts which are not in the canonical Bible).

They are interesting because they predate the oldest previously known MS of Bible texts.

They don't prove the 'truth' of anything claimed in the Bible any more than the existence of the manuscript of Alice in Wonderland in the British Library proves that a girl called Alice actually fell down a rabbit hole and had adventures with the Mad Hatter, the Cheshire Cat and the March Hare.

I am not confused in the slightest.
Somebody said that the Bible was all made up and I was saying that there is evidence before the 1st version of the Bible dating back to the Dead Sea so historical evidence of some of the Bible stories which came from it.
Also, I was saying that Jesus' word in the Bible he did what he said he would for his believers that was written in the Bible by sending the comforter to those who have the faith. That is not made up which is known in the Bible.

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Wapentake · 06/02/2026 11:12

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 11:05

I am not confused in the slightest.
Somebody said that the Bible was all made up and I was saying that there is evidence before the 1st version of the Bible dating back to the Dead Sea so historical evidence of some of the Bible stories which came from it.
Also, I was saying that Jesus' word in the Bible he did what he said he would for his believers that was written in the Bible by sending the comforter to those who have the faith. That is not made up which is known in the Bible.

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Again, as I said, you are very confused. The Dead Sea Scrolls are the earliest known manuscripts of some OT texts which are in the canonical Bible -- which these are depends on which particular sect of Christianity you belong to. They don't 'prove' anything about the contents. I could write 'Donald Trump is a lovely, upstanding man, about whose doings no one has ever had anything but praise' on a piece of paper, hide it in a cave, and someone could discover it in 2000 years. That wouldn't make what I said true.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 11:21

Wapentake · 06/02/2026 11:12

Again, as I said, you are very confused. The Dead Sea Scrolls are the earliest known manuscripts of some OT texts which are in the canonical Bible -- which these are depends on which particular sect of Christianity you belong to. They don't 'prove' anything about the contents. I could write 'Donald Trump is a lovely, upstanding man, about whose doings no one has ever had anything but praise' on a piece of paper, hide it in a cave, and someone could discover it in 2000 years. That wouldn't make what I said true.

Somebody said it is all made up, I said there is historical evidence for this to support it and the story from the Dead Sea Scrolls. That is what I wrote and no more.

"The Dead sea scrolls are there which were found in caves..The Dead Sea scrolls contain several prophecies which is about Jesus Christ life to come. This is from a Bible below on this."

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Wapentake · 06/02/2026 11:52

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 11:21

Somebody said it is all made up, I said there is historical evidence for this to support it and the story from the Dead Sea Scrolls. That is what I wrote and no more.

"The Dead sea scrolls are there which were found in caves..The Dead Sea scrolls contain several prophecies which is about Jesus Christ life to come. This is from a Bible below on this."

OP, the Dead Sea Scrolls don't prove anything about the Bible. They simply include manuscripts of some parts of the Old Testament which are older than the oldest versions previously known about -- that's why they're interesting.

For what they can tell scholars about how Christianity emerged from Second Temple Judaism, the rules and customs of the societies that produced these texts, the different languages they're written in, and because they also include lots of texts whose status has been fought about within Christianity.

What the early Christians considered 'canon' in the first centuries CE looks very different to now. The first attempt to create a canon in around 140 CE omitted the OT completely, included only some of Paul's letters, and only some of Luke's gospel.

If the Dead Sea Scrolls prove anything, it's how complicated and fractious the process of the early church agreeing on what constituted its official scripture was.

GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 11:52

@Justmerach, you seem very sweet and devoted. I sometimes feel bad for challenging you, but your faith is robust and I love to exchange knowledge.

The antiquity of texts is no guarantee of veracity! Have you heard about the Epic of Gilgamesh? First written down 1,700 years before the Dead Sea scrolls, it's the lively adventure story of a king who travels with a demi-god, battles otherworldly monsters, meets the goddess Ishtar (Asheroth), visits the underworld and learns some wise lessons.

The Epic of Gilgamesh contains the Noah story, only in this version he's called Utnapishtim. The god who warned him and told him to build a giant boat was called Enki. The mountain he landed on is in Kurdistan.

Ancient Egyptian religious funerary texts date from 2,000 years before the Dead Sea scrolls, detailing their gods and the rites & rituals they require. I don't suppose you'd say their antiquity means Isis, Anubis, Thoth, Horus and the rest are real gods, or that everything in the Book of the Dead is divine truth.

Utnapishtim - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 12:19

GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 11:52

@Justmerach, you seem very sweet and devoted. I sometimes feel bad for challenging you, but your faith is robust and I love to exchange knowledge.

The antiquity of texts is no guarantee of veracity! Have you heard about the Epic of Gilgamesh? First written down 1,700 years before the Dead Sea scrolls, it's the lively adventure story of a king who travels with a demi-god, battles otherworldly monsters, meets the goddess Ishtar (Asheroth), visits the underworld and learns some wise lessons.

The Epic of Gilgamesh contains the Noah story, only in this version he's called Utnapishtim. The god who warned him and told him to build a giant boat was called Enki. The mountain he landed on is in Kurdistan.

Ancient Egyptian religious funerary texts date from 2,000 years before the Dead Sea scrolls, detailing their gods and the rites & rituals they require. I don't suppose you'd say their antiquity means Isis, Anubis, Thoth, Horus and the rest are real gods, or that everything in the Book of the Dead is divine truth.

Sorry, I cannot remember this story too well. If there is gods mentioned then they would be false. I was thinking before Noah that God could have given some angels some jobs and they tagged themselves as gods of X and Y. I studied classics at A levels and I don’t think this was in it, I will probably take a look at in a few days.

Historical evidence is always good. I didn’t write that the Dead Sea Scrolls alone was why I said it was a true faith. It is a true faith though. I have had several interventions that can only come from God alone and my faith has been confirmed for me.

It is faith and we can all decide this for ourselves and Jesus said the faith cannot be forced on anyone.

I was thinking yesterday that the story of Ishmael and Isaac is interesting. Isaac went under the Mosaic law and Ishmael didn’t. They were two brothers born of different parents to Abraham. I was doing research yesterday and after Ishmael another faith was established from his line. I was thinking that prior to Christ that all those under the Ishmael line who loved God and the righteous Jews are welcomed I think under the old covenants with him in heaven.

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RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 12:57

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 11:21

Somebody said it is all made up, I said there is historical evidence for this to support it and the story from the Dead Sea Scrolls. That is what I wrote and no more.

"The Dead sea scrolls are there which were found in caves..The Dead Sea scrolls contain several prophecies which is about Jesus Christ life to come. This is from a Bible below on this."

Re the dead sea scrolls. I used to follow a scroll scholar on social media, Dr Josh Collins. There is nothing earth shattering for Christians. The Scholars are trying to fill the gaps in the history of Judaism, what has changed etc.

They are not all that old. 3rd century BC to 2nd century CE. They think they were hidden during the war of about 70 CE. And added to after.

And no mention of Jesus in them, from what we know has been translated so far. No gospel in them. Even though they were hidden 40 years after Jesus died. And were added to for the next 100 years or so.

And as if that is not odd enough for such a famous man, 3 of the gospels themselves date post 70 CE. So why on earth, for such as important event, did the apostles wait at least 40 years before putting quill to paper ?

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 13:36

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 12:57

Re the dead sea scrolls. I used to follow a scroll scholar on social media, Dr Josh Collins. There is nothing earth shattering for Christians. The Scholars are trying to fill the gaps in the history of Judaism, what has changed etc.

They are not all that old. 3rd century BC to 2nd century CE. They think they were hidden during the war of about 70 CE. And added to after.

And no mention of Jesus in them, from what we know has been translated so far. No gospel in them. Even though they were hidden 40 years after Jesus died. And were added to for the next 100 years or so.

And as if that is not odd enough for such a famous man, 3 of the gospels themselves date post 70 CE. So why on earth, for such as important event, did the apostles wait at least 40 years before putting quill to paper ?

RedTagAlan I posted something yesterday by a church minster who said this during the sermon that Paul started writing 17 years after the resurrection. The Bible as well is written under inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

From a minister-
The first life of Muhammad was probably 120 to 150 years after Muhammad himself lived. But the first book of the New Testament, which was probably first Thessalonians, was written by Paul more or less precisely 17 years after the resurrection.
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The Dead Sea Scrolls contain copies of every book in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) except for the Book of Esther, with over 200 biblical manuscripts found, including a complete, nearly 2,000-year-old scroll of Isaiah. They also include non-canonical, sectarian, and Apocryphal texts, with a strong focus on Deuteronomy, Isaiah, and Psalm.

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Jesus Christ has over 50 names that he can be called.It is clear that it will not be David that will redeem, but God's Son. There are prophecies in the Dead Sea Scrolls that mention about the coming of Jesus Christ.

"I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come".

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)

He the coming of the birth of Jesus conceived by a virgin was prphecied in the book of (Isaiah 11), "A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

"

https://www.imj.org.il/en/wings/shrine-book/dead-sea-scrolls

OP posts:
Parker231 · 06/02/2026 13:45

Along with impossibilities surrounding a virgin birth I did some quick checking of other biblical statements which are obviously false

Despite what the Bible tells us in Joshua 10:12–14, the sun did not stand still nor did the earth stop rotating. Physics is clear; if the earth ever stopped spinning for even a second, all people, animals, rocks, topsoil, trees, buildings, and so on, would be swept away into the atmosphere. In addition, there is no recorded history anywhere in the world about areas having a long day or long night.

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 13:59

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 13:36

RedTagAlan I posted something yesterday by a church minster who said this during the sermon that Paul started writing 17 years after the resurrection. The Bible as well is written under inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

From a minister-
The first life of Muhammad was probably 120 to 150 years after Muhammad himself lived. But the first book of the New Testament, which was probably first Thessalonians, was written by Paul more or less precisely 17 years after the resurrection.
.........
The Dead Sea Scrolls contain copies of every book in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) except for the Book of Esther, with over 200 biblical manuscripts found, including a complete, nearly 2,000-year-old scroll of Isaiah. They also include non-canonical, sectarian, and Apocryphal texts, with a strong focus on Deuteronomy, Isaiah, and Psalm.

..
Jesus Christ has over 50 names that he can be called.It is clear that it will not be David that will redeem, but God's Son. There are prophecies in the Dead Sea Scrolls that mention about the coming of Jesus Christ.

"I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come".

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)

He the coming of the birth of Jesus conceived by a virgin was prphecied in the book of (Isaiah 11), "A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

"

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Quote: "He the coming of the birth of Jesus conceived by a virgin was prphecied in the book of (Isaiah 11), "A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

Again, he was called Jesus.

I don't care when the Quaran was written. That is not what we are talking about.

So when were the Gospels written ? You can surely see the issue if Paul, who had never met Jesus, was preaching about him before he had the gospels ? Because what was he preaching ? And why ? Where did the Apostles go ? Was Paul directing what should be written ?

This by the way, is why Christians should really be called Paulines.

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