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Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,

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Justmerach · 19/01/2026 15:47

Hi, I was following the “Do you believe in God thread” and it seems to have been closed. I read a post and wanted to reply to somebody who said that Jesus is not the Son of God. I just wanted to reply to them that why in Christianity in the scripture that we know that Jesus is the Son of God and explain why in my faith scripture supports that Jesus Christ is Only true Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of God but was also a prophet. He is also the redeemer to come as this post will explain.

Let me first say first in all three faiths we share much of the Old Testament and believe in the same God. I remember this topic right from my university days comparative studies between all three faiths.

I want to share a document about the Messiah prophecies about Jesus Christ to come that are in the Old Testament and commonly used online.

The Messiah prophecies have all be attached can be clicked on saved and enlarged. It comes in five images.

The word Christ and its Hebrew parallel means the anointed one which Christ is. Not added to that document above and to come to your attention-The Rod of Jesse in Isaiah 11 is also a prophecy of Jesus Christ to come. The Rod of Jesse/root of Jesse was the last rod for Jews and culminated with the Lord. Christians on this rod are his followers itself. God’s famous rods started with Aaron which placed which was placed in the arc of Covenant as a reminder and bore flowers as a promise of regeneration for the Jews. Jesus became as Christians our vine and we became him branches in the New Testament (John 15).

A photo of the Rod of Jesse from a church collection willl be attched in the next post.

It is Jesus the redeemer and heir to David who will redeem us all and the Jews to from exile-Jesus is from the offspring and roots of David (Revelation 22: 16). Some Jews believe that the Messiah prophecies are for David to come, but this is inaccurate and it is Jesus who will redeem them. "I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come.

This scripture further points that Jesus Christ will be the one to redeem the Jewish people. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our righteousness Jeremiah (23: 1-6). David will return in the new Jerusalem (Hosea 3:4-5).

Jesus is also known as the Prince of Peace and more attributes which do not point to who is to come as being a mere mortal being and this is mentioned in (Isaiah 9:6). “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

God also confirms in the New Testament Jesus as his only Begeotteon beloved Son –“this is my Beloved only son who I am well pleased" (John 3:16 ). Then in Luke Jesus was asked to this question if was the Son of God and Jesus said that yes he is the Son of God (Luke 22:70). He does not lie and the God the Father simply does not lie as well.

The miracles and healing he gave as we all saw in the New Testament that Jesus Christ ministry gave are well known in the New Testament around 40 in number they were as recorded in the Bible and I saw too with my own eyes in church and in my life, the healing that he gave me. I saw a child who could not walk once an after a few times of healing work at church he started to walk again. This was a miracle of Jesus Christ in our era. It is Jesus Christ who primarily who approves the gifts of the Holy Spirit this as he is the head of the church who appoints these gifts and roles of ministry (Ephesians 4:11).

The Church Body which are made of human beings are the members of the church and Jesus is also the head of the Church and we are part of this body (Ephesians 1:22-23). He promised to send believers a comforter after his resurrection Christ as a Christian gave me the spoken comforter which is the Holy Spirit (John 4:11)? The comforter is the Holy Spirit you receive when you are baptised of water and spirit..

The Son of God is an expression which indentified Jesus of Nazareth as the being who has had an eternal relationship to his Father (Psalm 2:7 ) "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." Christ claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). This too makes clear that Jesus is the Son of God (John 5:18). Also in the New Testament the term the Son of God appears in the New Testament almost 50 times. God also confessed that Jesus was his son at his baptism and at the transfiguration (Matthew 3:16, 17; 17: 5). Jesus also said that he is the Son of God (John 4:15) Revelation (2:18) (John 20:31) (Matthew 4:3) (II Corinthians 1:19) (Luke 8:28), the Jewish Sanhedrin condemned Jesus for blasphemy (Matthew 26: 63-66); (Mark 14 :61).

Jesus also was eighty times called the Son of Man which means God and the Messiah for humans in the New Testament. In Psalm 80 he was also called the Son of Man and was to called the Son of Man throughout Ezekiel to.

Jesus came to life as a mortal divine being through an Immaculate Conception. Angel Gabriel told Jesus' mortal mother to be Mary that she would overpowered by the Holy Spirit and receive a child and that would be God's Son.

This story is found in the Gospels- (Luke 1:26-38)-" And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David". The book of Luke is considered a highly reliable historical source which I know nearly all my life and it is the word of God.

I think in some countries more signs of Christ and the Holy Spirit presence will convince more people that Jesus is the Son of God and that eternal life is near and they will a season at least a while and will stay like young cubs parked with a lion on grass with him.

More history confirming Jesus Christ life is the Dead Sea Scrolls-
The Dead Sea scrolls contain (Isaiah 53) prophecy which is about Jesus Christ life to come. These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and contain Biblical evidence the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete. To our understanding of the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic.

We have done the 1st resurrection of Christ and are waiting for the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) which will happen in a twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and then will come the 2nd judgement and second coming and judgement and then New Earth/Heaven.

We should be working in the field till he comes-"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Matthew 24:20).

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 13:57

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 13:49

People can have favourite topics. Not everybody will know every passage in the Bible as well and we are all learning. Myself I know some things about evil, I know what I am comfortable with in Revelations-Jezebel, the daughter of blasphemy, the spirtual realm of evil. The dragon/Satan itself I gloss over and know the basics of this at least. I will tell you I have a sensory condition and am diagnosed with autism. Evil too much of it is not good for my senses.

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In the article you posted about "the sons of Gods", the article did not mention the books of Enoch. They were cut from the Bible, yet Enoch is referenced throughout. Enoch is here:

The Antediluvian Book of Enoch (othergospels.com)

There are much better sites than I posted. Have a google for Books of Enoch. Lots of missing stuff is in there.

And on that site, go to the index, and see how many books were left out/ removed from the Bible. Many of them have stories that are still in various churches.

The Antediluvian Book of Enoch

Discover the mysterious Book of Enoch from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Includes full translations and commentary.

https://othergospels.com/enoch/

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 15:13

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 13:57

In the article you posted about "the sons of Gods", the article did not mention the books of Enoch. They were cut from the Bible, yet Enoch is referenced throughout. Enoch is here:

The Antediluvian Book of Enoch (othergospels.com)

There are much better sites than I posted. Have a google for Books of Enoch. Lots of missing stuff is in there.

And on that site, go to the index, and see how many books were left out/ removed from the Bible. Many of them have stories that are still in various churches.

I did read about this Enoch story years ago. What are your thoughts on Enoch as you have not said? His story is in the Bible mentioned in some verses

(Luke 3:37, Hebrews 11:5,Jude 1:14-15)

"Enoch appears as a historical figure in standard Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox Bibles, specifically in Genesis 5:18–24, where he is described as walking with God and being taken to heaven without dying. According to Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5, Enoch was taken up to heaven by God without experiencing death because of his exceptional faith and righteousness
. The Bible does not state that Enoch "fell down" after being taken; rather, he was removed from the earth because he walked faithfully with God"

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RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 15:41

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 15:13

I did read about this Enoch story years ago. What are your thoughts on Enoch as you have not said? His story is in the Bible mentioned in some verses

(Luke 3:37, Hebrews 11:5,Jude 1:14-15)

"Enoch appears as a historical figure in standard Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox Bibles, specifically in Genesis 5:18–24, where he is described as walking with God and being taken to heaven without dying. According to Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5, Enoch was taken up to heaven by God without experiencing death because of his exceptional faith and righteousness
. The Bible does not state that Enoch "fell down" after being taken; rather, he was removed from the earth because he walked faithfully with God"

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Seems simple to me. The books were removed when they changed from many Gods to one.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 17:27

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 15:41

Seems simple to me. The books were removed when they changed from many Gods to one.

What the Bible has quoted from the book of Enoch through other prophets and writers would be inspired writing by the Holy Spirit. I will include this below. The many gods though that you refer were not a God but were fallen angels.

In the Book of Enoch (specifically 1 Enoch), references to "many gods" do not indicate polytheism (the worship of multiple deities), but rather
refer to the fallen angels, known as Watchers, who descended to earth and were worshipped by humanity, or to the demonic spirits of their offspring, the Nephilim. The book elaborates on Genesis 6:1–4, detailing how these entities corrupted humanity and acted as "gods" or demons on Earth.

That Daystar channel on Youtube has more videos on this subject-
https://www.youtube.com/@daystar/search?query=fallen%20angel

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RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 17:32

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 17:27

What the Bible has quoted from the book of Enoch through other prophets and writers would be inspired writing by the Holy Spirit. I will include this below. The many gods though that you refer were not a God but were fallen angels.

In the Book of Enoch (specifically 1 Enoch), references to "many gods" do not indicate polytheism (the worship of multiple deities), but rather
refer to the fallen angels, known as Watchers, who descended to earth and were worshipped by humanity, or to the demonic spirits of their offspring, the Nephilim. The book elaborates on Genesis 6:1–4, detailing how these entities corrupted humanity and acted as "gods" or demons on Earth.

That Daystar channel on Youtube has more videos on this subject-
https://www.youtube.com/@daystar/search?query=fallen%20angel

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What is the first of the ten commandments (the first set).?

Why is it there if only one God ?

Parker231 · 05/02/2026 18:45

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 13:27

Nobody know when the 2nd coming is going to be and not even the Son. We are told to watch for the signs and they are in Matthew 24 and the Revelations of things to come. Some people who are Christians say that we are somehwere in the end times now and times of afflication as well.There will be signs like diverse wars and famine etc.

The rapture will happen in “the twinkling of an eye” (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). Scripture nowhere encourages us to try to determine the date of Jesus’ return. Rather, we are to “keep watch, because we do not know on which day our Lord will come” (Matthew 24:42). We are to “be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when we do not expect Him” (Matthew 24:44).

There have always been wars and famine unfortunately so nothing new there. I’ll watch with interest to see what happens - will be an interesting day.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 19:35

Hi everyone, I wanted to put these short scripture entries to make it clear about the Holy Spirit .I also wanted to add another scripture about Jesus confirming that he is the Son of God. I also wanted to share a short addition that was said by another minister that was said to support this particular sermon.

Jesus confirming that he is the Son of God

(Matthew 16. 13-19) (Mark 8:27-38) (Luke 9:18-27,)

“When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

From a minister-
The first life of Muhammad was probably 120 to 150 years after Muhammad himself lived. But the first book of the New Testament, which was probably first Thessalonians, was written by Paul more or less precisely 17 years after the resurrection.

Scripture about the Holy Spirit and it is Jesus who will appoint your Holy Spirit if you are given them.

John 14
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”

“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

John 16
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come”.

Scripture about the gifts of the Holy Spirit and what they are (1 Corinthians 12). t is Jesus who appoints these gifts. The ministry roles in the church are appointed by Christ and he appointed and for others to, so he is still with us and the Son of God.

(Ephesians 4)
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ”

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Parker231 · 05/02/2026 19:43

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 19:35

Hi everyone, I wanted to put these short scripture entries to make it clear about the Holy Spirit .I also wanted to add another scripture about Jesus confirming that he is the Son of God. I also wanted to share a short addition that was said by another minister that was said to support this particular sermon.

Jesus confirming that he is the Son of God

(Matthew 16. 13-19) (Mark 8:27-38) (Luke 9:18-27,)

“When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

From a minister-
The first life of Muhammad was probably 120 to 150 years after Muhammad himself lived. But the first book of the New Testament, which was probably first Thessalonians, was written by Paul more or less precisely 17 years after the resurrection.

Scripture about the Holy Spirit and it is Jesus who will appoint your Holy Spirit if you are given them.

John 14
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”

“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

John 16
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come”.

Scripture about the gifts of the Holy Spirit and what they are (1 Corinthians 12). t is Jesus who appoints these gifts. The ministry roles in the church are appointed by Christ and he appointed and for others to, so he is still with us and the Son of God.

(Ephesians 4)
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ”

I think I’d still with the version that he was the son of Joseph - at least it has some plausibility.

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 20:24

RedTagAlan · 05/02/2026 17:32

What is the first of the ten commandments (the first set).?

Why is it there if only one God ?

I think that we have one God with three attributes and personhood and that we are made from his breath as human beings (Genesis 2:7) (Job 33:4 ). “The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” I think that we have to be made by the same source, God. When I was going through a difficult time I looked outside and said that God created the sky, nature and animals. It was a living testament just by looking outside and being outside and it helped me. I like God’s words in Isaiah 44. Somebody was the original source that gave me life. I did not create myself.

“Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”

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RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 02:46

Justmerach · 05/02/2026 20:24

I think that we have one God with three attributes and personhood and that we are made from his breath as human beings (Genesis 2:7) (Job 33:4 ). “The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” I think that we have to be made by the same source, God. When I was going through a difficult time I looked outside and said that God created the sky, nature and animals. It was a living testament just by looking outside and being outside and it helped me. I like God’s words in Isaiah 44. Somebody was the original source that gave me life. I did not create myself.

“Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”

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  1. You totally avoided the question there. Why is the first commandment "You shall have no other gods before Me." if there is only one god ?
Justmerach · 06/02/2026 05:43

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 02:46

  1. You totally avoided the question there. Why is the first commandment "You shall have no other gods before Me." if there is only one god ?

If you take something else for a God they are seen as an idol, idolatry and a false God. See the Bible notes attached for what and idol and idolatry means. You can save the notes and enlarge them to read if you cannot read the words.

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 05:56

Justmerach · 20/01/2026 19:27

Thank you, I said some people use it wrong and may not get the real meaning and kill because of it, this Holy war. They are extremists and use it wrongly and faslely use the faith to try and justify this.

I haven't seen in the Bible that God ordered a child's head to be hit on a rock. The thing is people often did what they wanted or didn't listen to God fully. This has happened in the Bible and it happened with the Israelites when they would do what they wanted and wouldn't listen to Moses and started whispering about him, so took justice. Could you link to the text, i think I know what you mean the text, but I want to make sure.

I know it is difficult that God gave his Son, I would not want anybody normally to be spared. Christ did rise again in 3 days he went back to Heaven. I think it shows also though that God would do this for us in the world and the depth of his feeling for us.

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I haven't seen in the Bible that God ordered a child's head to be hit on a rock.

He didn't exactly. He cursed the Babylonians: Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated. (Isaiah 13:16) and Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks (Psalm 137:9)

Passages where your very bloodthirsty god specifically murders children:

At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. (Exodus 12:29-30)

On Samaria: their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open (Hosea 13:16)

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. (1 Samuel 15:3)

On Midian: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18) They took 32,000 virgins 'for themselves' (Numbers 31:35)

On Sihon, king of Heshbon: At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34)

A crowd of youths made fun of Elisha's bald head, so God sent two bears to maul forty-two of the boys (2 Kings 2:23-24)

He gives Moses a very long curse detailing what he'll do to anyone who doesn't precisely follow all of the Commandments, including thou shalt eat the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters (Deuteronomy 28:53) and I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children (Leviticus 26:22) You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. (Leviticus 26:29)

This isn't even the half of it! The Old Testament is basically the vicious history of a coalition of marauding tribes. Jesus never criticised it or expressed any regret for his/his father's bloodlust. His own birth triggered a massacre of baby boys, which God could presumably have stopped but didn't bother.

Jesus did say it was time to leave all that behind: You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:43-44).

He also says his kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36). He didn't deny God's fury but saved it up for the end of time, according to his prophecies and Revelations. Sounds like there will be a lot of murder, rape and baby-smashing.

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 06:27

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 05:43

If you take something else for a God they are seen as an idol, idolatry and a false God. See the Bible notes attached for what and idol and idolatry means. You can save the notes and enlarge them to read if you cannot read the words.

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That's the 2nd commandment. I am talking about the 1st. The one about other gods. There are loads of other gods in the Bible,

eg

Exo 12:12 and I have passed over through the land of Egypt during this night, and have struck every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from man even to beast, and I do judgments on all the gods of Egypt; I [am] YHWH. (LSV)

GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 07:56

I can't be bothered to look up relevant bible verses, but there definitely were other ("false") gods in the bible. The surrounding nations had their own pantheons, some of which are mentioned by name - Ba'al is one. Ba'al just meant Lord, Master, etc, in many languages of the region. Like Yahweh - and, indeed, all the other gods - he had various names and manifestations. One of his was Ba'al Zəvuv (Beelzebub), also named somewhere in the bible.

There was also the golden calf of Exodus, probably made to be reminiscent of the Egyptian bull god, Apis. This was most likely intended to stand as a proxy for Yahweh and they must've been disappointed to find he didn't like it.

The early Hebrews had a massive problem with Asherah, which we discussed in a previous thread. She's named 40 times in the surviving texts, plus additional mentions of a pole or tree with mystical significance - Asherah's symbol was a carved wooden totem called a tree. Sometimes the tree is specifically a terebinth (turpentine tree); they were dedicated to her.

There are other scattered references to other communities' gods throughout the OT, and no end of instructions to destroy their idols. It seems fair to assume they crop in the NT too, though I haven't checked.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 08:02

GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 05:56

I haven't seen in the Bible that God ordered a child's head to be hit on a rock.

He didn't exactly. He cursed the Babylonians: Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated. (Isaiah 13:16) and Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks (Psalm 137:9)

Passages where your very bloodthirsty god specifically murders children:

At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. (Exodus 12:29-30)

On Samaria: their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open (Hosea 13:16)

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. (1 Samuel 15:3)

On Midian: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18) They took 32,000 virgins 'for themselves' (Numbers 31:35)

On Sihon, king of Heshbon: At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34)

A crowd of youths made fun of Elisha's bald head, so God sent two bears to maul forty-two of the boys (2 Kings 2:23-24)

He gives Moses a very long curse detailing what he'll do to anyone who doesn't precisely follow all of the Commandments, including thou shalt eat the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters (Deuteronomy 28:53) and I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children (Leviticus 26:22) You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. (Leviticus 26:29)

This isn't even the half of it! The Old Testament is basically the vicious history of a coalition of marauding tribes. Jesus never criticised it or expressed any regret for his/his father's bloodlust. His own birth triggered a massacre of baby boys, which God could presumably have stopped but didn't bother.

Jesus did say it was time to leave all that behind: You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. (Matthew 5:43-44).

He also says his kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36). He didn't deny God's fury but saved it up for the end of time, according to his prophecies and Revelations. Sounds like there will be a lot of murder, rape and baby-smashing.

I will take one two points the slaying of the 1st born males and King Herod. God is the legitimate authority. At that time there was no UN body although you had the council of high priests.

It was a retributive action and God had given them multiple chances and had tried different things for them to stop. They didn't listen. They held the Israelites as slaves which is a violation for 400 years an extreme long time to wait. They had also murdered children themselevs Hebrew male infants without authority and they underwent severe perscuetion.(Exodus 1:22). God is the only one can take justice. It was on firstborn and not just children.

Herod’s plan was prophecy and some argue it was not fulfilled as Jesus escaped. Things changed with Jesus, he has give people ample time to listen, so when he returns it will the 2nd judgement and there will be extremely difficult as he said. It won’t be easy, but many of us have known this and have made that choice. I want to share a sermon with you all at the end of this post on this subject.

Retributiion: The Pharaoh had ordered the drowning of Hebrew baby boys in the Nile (Exodus 1:22). The tenth plague was a direct judgment on this action—the death of Egyptian, not Hebrew, firstborns.
Challenging Egyptian Deities: The plague was a direct attack on Egyptian gods, specifically targeting the goddess Isis (protector of children) and the Pharaoh himself, who was considered a god.
Compelling Release: Previous plagues did not break Pharaoh's resolve. The loss of the firstborn—who held the inheritance and authority in Egyptian society—was designed to crush the nation's resistance.
Fulfillment of Prophecy: God had told Moses to warn Pharaoh that if he refused to let Israel go, God would kill his firstborn (Exodus 4:22-23).

A sermon this topic by a Christian preacher (not myself).

Well, I think today's gospel reading is undoubtedly the darkest part of the Christmas story. In fact, the massacre, the holy innocence, is probably the most horrific story in the New Testament. And it comes as no surprise, therefore that this has been the least popular biblical passage for preachers. And I'll be honest, I'm not sure if in 28 years of reader ministry that I've actually preached on this passage. Here we go.

And the church historically has often viewed it rather awkwardly.
The flight into Egypt rarely appears as a Christmas card illustration. Or so it
seems to me. Now, from Matthew's point of view, we are probably being given an insight King Herod's true cruel and grotesque character, ordering the brutal killing of every newborn child in Bethlehem under the age of two in order to get rid of the threat he saw in the infant Jesus to his own authority. The whole idea is so abhorrent.

And the feast of the holy innocence, sometimes referred to as children mass,
is a festival that seems to hang heavy in the Christian liturgical calendar.
And the church tried to make it a little more acceptable by regarding the murdered children as the first Christian martyrs, even if unknowingly so. Now if such a story was true, it would be the very height of human barbarism. But most scholars tell us there is no factual basis for this story. So we cannot know for sure of well its historicity is in doubt. But it almost certainly developed out of the story of Pharaoh's attempt to kill the Israelite children as related in the book of Exodus. but as told in an expanded version that was doing the rounds in the first century.

But the lack of any solid historical evidence for this story does not negate
its power to move us. It still resonates with horrific accuracy, the most evil and depraved tendencies in human nature. And from a biblical standpoint, this tragic story has been taken to emphasize the story of sacrifice and salvation in the bigger picture.

So the biblical story, true or not, emphasizes how vulnerable children have always been. And this festival should remind us of the sanctity of childhood. a timeless reminder of our continued obligation and moral duty to defend and protect the rights of our children who are the most vulnerable among us. So although we are still in the Christmas season with all its joyful resonances, we cannot sugar coat the messages that emerge out of the original story of the massacre of the holy innocence.

We know that Jesus recognized the lowly status of children in his own culture and sought to challenge that. Remember, he rebuked his disciples for turning them away. He loved children and he blessed them. Jesus love for children demonstrated to the world that true greatness lies in serving the vulnerable, welcoming them as we would welcome Jesus himself. May the heart of Jesus live in the hearts of us all. Amen.

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GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 08:05

On an idol-related topic, I was most surprised to find @Justmerach had a picture of "the rod of Jesse", an actual wooden artefact. As she stated here, Isiah's prophecy is metaphorical - he's talking about a family tree. It's bewildering that anyone who understands this could simultaneously believe it was a piece of wood (never mind whether it could survive intact for 3,000 years).

Christianity has tons of idols, starting with the dead man on a crucifix. It has bones, carvings of saints, vials of blood, pieces of cloth, lumps of wood, bits of stone, boxes and patched-up corpses, all of them imbued with magical properties. Wonder what the jealous god thinks of all that?!

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 08:13

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 06:27

That's the 2nd commandment. I am talking about the 1st. The one about other gods. There are loads of other gods in the Bible,

eg

Exo 12:12 and I have passed over through the land of Egypt during this night, and have struck every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from man even to beast, and I do judgments on all the gods of Egypt; I [am] YHWH. (LSV)

They are a false God claiming this position and sometimes they are demons.

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Justmerach · 06/02/2026 08:16

GarlicBound · 06/02/2026 08:05

On an idol-related topic, I was most surprised to find @Justmerach had a picture of "the rod of Jesse", an actual wooden artefact. As she stated here, Isiah's prophecy is metaphorical - he's talking about a family tree. It's bewildering that anyone who understands this could simultaneously believe it was a piece of wood (never mind whether it could survive intact for 3,000 years).

Christianity has tons of idols, starting with the dead man on a crucifix. It has bones, carvings of saints, vials of blood, pieces of cloth, lumps of wood, bits of stone, boxes and patched-up corpses, all of them imbued with magical properties. Wonder what the jealous god thinks of all that?!

The wood is a symbol of this story and modern day probably and it came from a church where I took the photo and I confirmed it with the church minister what it was of. The additional information from the Christian Art Youtube brief mention on this I found interesting as well.

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Mydoglovescheese · 06/02/2026 08:32

@Justmerach. In your post about Herod’s slaughter of the innocents you state that the story may not be true. However, you consistently quote the Bible as the ultimate source of truth, so how can this story be untrue? You can’t cherrypick the parts you want to believe to support your claims.

Christians believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, so the story of Herod and many other violent and distasteful stories must also be true. If they’re not then the tenet of inerrancy is flawed and with it the basis of the Christian faith. If you want to believe in the truth of the Bible you must also ‘suck up’ the nasty bits that show God in a very different light.

Parker231 · 06/02/2026 08:34

I was talking to DT’s (in their mid 20’s) about this thread. When I moved to the uk I went to a girls private school and religious education was included - I can’t remember much apart from the Lords Prayer. I only remember that because we all also learned what was at that time a rude version which we thought was very funny.
DT’s didn’t go to an English school and religious education was prohibited . Instead they covered beliefs and cultures - always thought that was much more appropriate in a multicultural world.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 08:40

Mydoglovescheese · 06/02/2026 08:32

@Justmerach. In your post about Herod’s slaughter of the innocents you state that the story may not be true. However, you consistently quote the Bible as the ultimate source of truth, so how can this story be untrue? You can’t cherrypick the parts you want to believe to support your claims.

Christians believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, so the story of Herod and many other violent and distasteful stories must also be true. If they’re not then the tenet of inerrancy is flawed and with it the basis of the Christian faith. If you want to believe in the truth of the Bible you must also ‘suck up’ the nasty bits that show God in a very different light.

There can be prophecy and this was a true prophecy, but Jesus escaped. The poster said that God didn't stop it and this may likely has not happened the event and not true the event.. Btw, I have studied human rights law and just war and know about the ethics of war and describe things along these lines at times.
Try and not assume what is not written.

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RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 08:49

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 08:13

They are a false God claiming this position and sometimes they are demons.

Ahh right. So when YOUR god told everyone not to worship other gods, what he meant was fake mad unvented gods. So why is that not the first commandment ?

So every other god is fake and man made, but your one is not ?

Re killing babies. I think you are confusing Exodus with Jesus hiding in Egypt, in Matthew.

Exodus. Remember this bit :

Exo 7:3 And I harden the heart of Pharaoh, and have multiplied My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt (LSV).

So each time he made sure Pharoh did not let them go. And come Passover, it was god that did the killing.

And there was the flood of course. Lots of babies and kids died in that.

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 09:00

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 08:49

Ahh right. So when YOUR god told everyone not to worship other gods, what he meant was fake mad unvented gods. So why is that not the first commandment ?

So every other god is fake and man made, but your one is not ?

Re killing babies. I think you are confusing Exodus with Jesus hiding in Egypt, in Matthew.

Exodus. Remember this bit :

Exo 7:3 And I harden the heart of Pharaoh, and have multiplied My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt (LSV).

So each time he made sure Pharoh did not let them go. And come Passover, it was god that did the killing.

And there was the flood of course. Lots of babies and kids died in that.

I made seperate points on both.Yes, I do believe what I stated that there is one God with 3 attributes and personhood.

I was replying to someone's else's comments below.

“- Passages where your very bloodthirsty god specifically murders children:
At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. (Exodus 12:29-30)

  • Jesus never criticised it or expressed any regret for his/his father's bloodlust. His own birth triggered a massacre of baby boys, which God could presumably have stopped but didn't bother.”

Keep in mind there are opposing views that this prophecy did not take place and didn’t invent those opposing views and I am stating them. I don’t think that I confused the story.

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RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 09:12

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 08:40

There can be prophecy and this was a true prophecy, but Jesus escaped. The poster said that God didn't stop it and this may likely has not happened the event and not true the event.. Btw, I have studied human rights law and just war and know about the ethics of war and describe things along these lines at times.
Try and not assume what is not written.

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Quote : "Try and not assume what is not written."

This is exactly what you do.

RedTagAlan · 06/02/2026 09:17

Justmerach · 06/02/2026 09:00

I made seperate points on both.Yes, I do believe what I stated that there is one God with 3 attributes and personhood.

I was replying to someone's else's comments below.

“- Passages where your very bloodthirsty god specifically murders children:
At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. (Exodus 12:29-30)

  • Jesus never criticised it or expressed any regret for his/his father's bloodlust. His own birth triggered a massacre of baby boys, which God could presumably have stopped but didn't bother.”

Keep in mind there are opposing views that this prophecy did not take place and didn’t invent those opposing views and I am stating them. I don’t think that I confused the story.

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So this is yet another part of the Bible that is not true ?

In your view I mean. None of it is true so far as I am concerned, and it appears you are moving towards my side rather than me to yours.

So at what % of the Bible being fantasy do you throw the towel in :-)

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