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Justmerach · 19/01/2026 15:47

Hi, I was following the “Do you believe in God thread” and it seems to have been closed. I read a post and wanted to reply to somebody who said that Jesus is not the Son of God. I just wanted to reply to them that why in Christianity in the scripture that we know that Jesus is the Son of God and explain why in my faith scripture supports that Jesus Christ is Only true Son of God.

Jesus is the Son of God but was also a prophet. He is also the redeemer to come as this post will explain.

Let me first say first in all three faiths we share much of the Old Testament and believe in the same God. I remember this topic right from my university days comparative studies between all three faiths.

I want to share a document about the Messiah prophecies about Jesus Christ to come that are in the Old Testament and commonly used online.

The Messiah prophecies have all be attached can be clicked on saved and enlarged. It comes in five images.

The word Christ and its Hebrew parallel means the anointed one which Christ is. Not added to that document above and to come to your attention-The Rod of Jesse in Isaiah 11 is also a prophecy of Jesus Christ to come. The Rod of Jesse/root of Jesse was the last rod for Jews and culminated with the Lord. Christians on this rod are his followers itself. God’s famous rods started with Aaron which placed which was placed in the arc of Covenant as a reminder and bore flowers as a promise of regeneration for the Jews. Jesus became as Christians our vine and we became him branches in the New Testament (John 15).

A photo of the Rod of Jesse from a church collection willl be attched in the next post.

It is Jesus the redeemer and heir to David who will redeem us all and the Jews to from exile-Jesus is from the offspring and roots of David (Revelation 22: 16). Some Jews believe that the Messiah prophecies are for David to come, but this is inaccurate and it is Jesus who will redeem them. "I will set up thy seed after thee (after King David), which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son (2 Samuel 7 12-13). God in this scripture also called David his servant and said that his Son was to come.

This scripture further points that Jesus Christ will be the one to redeem the Jewish people. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, the Lord our righteousness Jeremiah (23: 1-6). David will return in the new Jerusalem (Hosea 3:4-5).

Jesus is also known as the Prince of Peace and more attributes which do not point to who is to come as being a mere mortal being and this is mentioned in (Isaiah 9:6). “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

God also confirms in the New Testament Jesus as his only Begeotteon beloved Son –“this is my Beloved only son who I am well pleased" (John 3:16 ). Then in Luke Jesus was asked to this question if was the Son of God and Jesus said that yes he is the Son of God (Luke 22:70). He does not lie and the God the Father simply does not lie as well.

The miracles and healing he gave as we all saw in the New Testament that Jesus Christ ministry gave are well known in the New Testament around 40 in number they were as recorded in the Bible and I saw too with my own eyes in church and in my life, the healing that he gave me. I saw a child who could not walk once an after a few times of healing work at church he started to walk again. This was a miracle of Jesus Christ in our era. It is Jesus Christ who primarily who approves the gifts of the Holy Spirit this as he is the head of the church who appoints these gifts and roles of ministry (Ephesians 4:11).

The Church Body which are made of human beings are the members of the church and Jesus is also the head of the Church and we are part of this body (Ephesians 1:22-23). He promised to send believers a comforter after his resurrection Christ as a Christian gave me the spoken comforter which is the Holy Spirit (John 4:11)? The comforter is the Holy Spirit you receive when you are baptised of water and spirit..

The Son of God is an expression which indentified Jesus of Nazareth as the being who has had an eternal relationship to his Father (Psalm 2:7 ) "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." "You are my Son; today I have become your Father." Christ claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). (Matthew 4:3; 8: 29; 27:54). This too makes clear that Jesus is the Son of God (John 5:18). Also in the New Testament the term the Son of God appears in the New Testament almost 50 times. God also confessed that Jesus was his son at his baptism and at the transfiguration (Matthew 3:16, 17; 17: 5). Jesus also said that he is the Son of God (John 4:15) Revelation (2:18) (John 20:31) (Matthew 4:3) (II Corinthians 1:19) (Luke 8:28), the Jewish Sanhedrin condemned Jesus for blasphemy (Matthew 26: 63-66); (Mark 14 :61).

Jesus also was eighty times called the Son of Man which means God and the Messiah for humans in the New Testament. In Psalm 80 he was also called the Son of Man and was to called the Son of Man throughout Ezekiel to.

Jesus came to life as a mortal divine being through an Immaculate Conception. Angel Gabriel told Jesus' mortal mother to be Mary that she would overpowered by the Holy Spirit and receive a child and that would be God's Son.

This story is found in the Gospels- (Luke 1:26-38)-" And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David". The book of Luke is considered a highly reliable historical source which I know nearly all my life and it is the word of God.

I think in some countries more signs of Christ and the Holy Spirit presence will convince more people that Jesus is the Son of God and that eternal life is near and they will a season at least a while and will stay like young cubs parked with a lion on grass with him.

More history confirming Jesus Christ life is the Dead Sea Scrolls-
The Dead Sea scrolls contain (Isaiah 53) prophecy which is about Jesus Christ life to come. These scrolls were found in caves south of Jericho in the Dead Sea are and contain Biblical evidence the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament. There are two scrolls Isaiah, one being complete. To our understanding of the period of time between the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament times, and to a better understanding of Hebrew and Aramaic.

We have done the 1st resurrection of Christ and are waiting for the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) which will happen in a twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) and then will come the 2nd judgement and second coming and judgement and then New Earth/Heaven.

We should be working in the field till he comes-"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Matthew 24:20).

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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Justmerach · 11/02/2026 08:11

Parker231 · 11/02/2026 07:25

Where I have I been uncivil?

Just because it’s in the scriptures doesn’t mean it’s true.

I am not speaking about anything you have written I think.

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Wapentake · 11/02/2026 08:18

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 06:32

There is no need to post this on the Christian mums section. You would assume most Christians would agree that Jesus Christ is the Son of God as that is a central tenent of the faith, they probably already know this.

This thread was intended for those interested in the topic of the post and also it was aimed at those who have the Abrahamic faiths, Islam, Chirstianity and Judaism, so this forum was the ideal place for this post. The post was posted here as a forum member posted that Jesus was not the Son of God just that day in the Do you believe in God thread and I wanted to respond in that post but that post was closed due to the limit being reached.

Although, this post to seemed to ruffle the feathers most of those who had left the faith or never had one. I think they misunderstood what it was about, it wasn't really about go and find whatever you never used to find difficult in the Old Testament and then place it here.

Seeing as some later expressed that they had no interest they still asked me to respond and to their sources and fo further research to their questions.

The scripture that I posted was accurate in the main post. What people think of it though is a different matter.

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@Justmerach, I think you’re continually misunderstanding the nature of the questions posed by other posters. They aren’t asking you to cut and paste more Bible verses at them, or to google things, which you regard as ‘research’.

They’re asking you why you think the Bible proves what you evidently think it proves, why you feel that knowing more about the key text of your faith is ‘disrespectful’, and why you seem to believe in Biblical inerrancy except where it advocates abhorrent behaviour or depicts God as behaving abhorrently.

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 08:20

RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 07:38

@Justmerach

As a matter of interest, when you say above "This was checked by others before posting and by myself and guided by scripture and trusted sources.", do you mean you are posting as a team ? Genuine interest, that's all.

No I am not posting as a team.

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Justmerach · 11/02/2026 10:25

I listened to these two sermons. I liked them and they are on topic to the discussion about Jesus being the Son of God and the questions that came during these conversations about the resurrection of Christ. I believe that the resurrection of Christ happened and I hope that makes it clearer some of the questions that some people had.

The Passion of the lord what is good about Good Friday torturing a man and mocking him cruelly nailing him to a cross and raising it at all that his weight hangs on those nails. Even casting lots for his clothes it is brutal and inhumane man's inhumanity to man.

In some churches they hammer nails into a cross each strike a physical blow to the senses bringing home the reality of the cross the horror the brutality the suffering we see it we feel it within even though we know Easter Sunday is coming. We have to go through this day we have to experience it and take on board the enormity of what Jesus did for us for him. It was almost too much to bear he cried out my God my God why hast Thou forsaken me and we can understand his call he would have known this was coming to him that this was God's divine plan for the Salvation of humanity.

A once and for all sacrifice to atone for our sins but so so much to bear. Then he says it is finished this was a common phrase used when a deal was completed a job finished or as the priest accepted as perfect. The sacrificial Beast it is finished he's not saying the devil has won has defeated him, no those who heard him would have understood his task of saving the world had been completed nothing more to do he had paid the price in full, the debt was cancelled. the debt sin, sin that separates us from God sin that destroys our relationship with him.

His death on the cross restored that relationship his sacrifice a perfect one acceptable to God it is finished. All was reconciled price paid forgiveness one nothing more needed all complete it is finished so Good Friday even though it was his father's will it was a day he suffered much physically and emotionally even though a willing sacrifice for his mother for the disciples and for those who knew and loved him.

It was a Never Ending day witnessing his pain and waiting on the inevitable in Romans Paul says God has shown us how much he loves us for it was while we were Sinners that Christ died for us in John we read for God so loved the world that he gave as his only begotten Son. It wasn't the nails that held him on the cross it was love, a love beyond measure beyond comprehension as we think of all that happened on Good Friday the cruelty his suffering his death let us think of God's immense love for us a love that forgives and forgets a love that ensures we will enter his kingdom and live forever with him.

Love not nails that is why it's good Friday we're seeing God's hand at work bringing his beloved people back into a right relationship with him once and for all through the sacrifice of his beloved Son our Lord and saviour it was love not nails it was victory not defeat may we live out that love in our lives.

The power of the Resurrection, resurrection that wasn't a one-off event 2,000 years ago.Resurrection gives hope for the here and now. Christian hope lies in the fact that ultimately through the power of the Resurrection God can bring new life out of difficult and destructive situations .

Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salomi brought the spices to Jesus's
tomb they were probably troubled after witnessing the death of their friend and probably
afraid too as they visited his tomb. They were concerned to do it early at Day break and they were also concerned about how they were going to roll away the stone at the entrance to the tomb perhaps they were hoping for a gardener or someone to help them.

Perhaps they were wishing that they could turn the clock back and save Jesus from his gruesome trial and torturous death on a cross and perhaps they were hoping that it all just been a terrible dream they certainly didn't expect to find an empty tomb and a young man dressed in a white robe and understandably they were alarmed then they're told not to be
alarmed by this person.

He had a message for them, he pointed out that Jesus was no longer there but had gone ahead of them to Galilee he said they were to tell his disciples and Peter that they would see Jesus there just as he had told them. Understandably I'm sure we would have done the same. They fled and they were alarmed for Terror and amazement had seized them and they said
nothing to anyone they were dumbuck.

They were afraid and there Mark's gospel ends. Thankfully we have the other gospels in the Acts of the Apostles to give us a fuller picture of what happened next and the consequences of what we now know as that first Easter Morning.

Acts tells us that there were many witnesses to the resurrection and they testified that Jesus was the one ordained by God as judge of the living and the dead they also realise that all the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through his name. God's salvation plan has been fulfilled death has lost its sting and we have the promise of life in all its fullness just as God intended for his creation and that's certainly something to celebrate. Resurrection brings in the midst of Darkness.

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Parker231 · 11/02/2026 10:35

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 10:25

I listened to these two sermons. I liked them and they are on topic to the discussion about Jesus being the Son of God and the questions that came during these conversations about the resurrection of Christ. I believe that the resurrection of Christ happened and I hope that makes it clearer some of the questions that some people had.

The Passion of the lord what is good about Good Friday torturing a man and mocking him cruelly nailing him to a cross and raising it at all that his weight hangs on those nails. Even casting lots for his clothes it is brutal and inhumane man's inhumanity to man.

In some churches they hammer nails into a cross each strike a physical blow to the senses bringing home the reality of the cross the horror the brutality the suffering we see it we feel it within even though we know Easter Sunday is coming. We have to go through this day we have to experience it and take on board the enormity of what Jesus did for us for him. It was almost too much to bear he cried out my God my God why hast Thou forsaken me and we can understand his call he would have known this was coming to him that this was God's divine plan for the Salvation of humanity.

A once and for all sacrifice to atone for our sins but so so much to bear. Then he says it is finished this was a common phrase used when a deal was completed a job finished or as the priest accepted as perfect. The sacrificial Beast it is finished he's not saying the devil has won has defeated him, no those who heard him would have understood his task of saving the world had been completed nothing more to do he had paid the price in full, the debt was cancelled. the debt sin, sin that separates us from God sin that destroys our relationship with him.

His death on the cross restored that relationship his sacrifice a perfect one acceptable to God it is finished. All was reconciled price paid forgiveness one nothing more needed all complete it is finished so Good Friday even though it was his father's will it was a day he suffered much physically and emotionally even though a willing sacrifice for his mother for the disciples and for those who knew and loved him.

It was a Never Ending day witnessing his pain and waiting on the inevitable in Romans Paul says God has shown us how much he loves us for it was while we were Sinners that Christ died for us in John we read for God so loved the world that he gave as his only begotten Son. It wasn't the nails that held him on the cross it was love, a love beyond measure beyond comprehension as we think of all that happened on Good Friday the cruelty his suffering his death let us think of God's immense love for us a love that forgives and forgets a love that ensures we will enter his kingdom and live forever with him.

Love not nails that is why it's good Friday we're seeing God's hand at work bringing his beloved people back into a right relationship with him once and for all through the sacrifice of his beloved Son our Lord and saviour it was love not nails it was victory not defeat may we live out that love in our lives.

The power of the Resurrection, resurrection that wasn't a one-off event 2,000 years ago.Resurrection gives hope for the here and now. Christian hope lies in the fact that ultimately through the power of the Resurrection God can bring new life out of difficult and destructive situations .

Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salomi brought the spices to Jesus's
tomb they were probably troubled after witnessing the death of their friend and probably
afraid too as they visited his tomb. They were concerned to do it early at Day break and they were also concerned about how they were going to roll away the stone at the entrance to the tomb perhaps they were hoping for a gardener or someone to help them.

Perhaps they were wishing that they could turn the clock back and save Jesus from his gruesome trial and torturous death on a cross and perhaps they were hoping that it all just been a terrible dream they certainly didn't expect to find an empty tomb and a young man dressed in a white robe and understandably they were alarmed then they're told not to be
alarmed by this person.

He had a message for them, he pointed out that Jesus was no longer there but had gone ahead of them to Galilee he said they were to tell his disciples and Peter that they would see Jesus there just as he had told them. Understandably I'm sure we would have done the same. They fled and they were alarmed for Terror and amazement had seized them and they said
nothing to anyone they were dumbuck.

They were afraid and there Mark's gospel ends. Thankfully we have the other gospels in the Acts of the Apostles to give us a fuller picture of what happened next and the consequences of what we now know as that first Easter Morning.

Acts tells us that there were many witnesses to the resurrection and they testified that Jesus was the one ordained by God as judge of the living and the dead they also realise that all the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through his name. God's salvation plan has been fulfilled death has lost its sting and we have the promise of life in all its fullness just as God intended for his creation and that's certainly something to celebrate. Resurrection brings in the midst of Darkness.

I checked with DH, a doctor, a resurrection is not possible. Once brain death takes place it is irreversible.

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 11:19

Parker231 · 11/02/2026 10:35

I checked with DH, a doctor, a resurrection is not possible. Once brain death takes place it is irreversible.

I am not here to convince you of believing this if you don’t. Myself, I think Jesus may have died briefly and perhaps was put into a resting sleep like Lazarus was in John 11 as this sounds like the right thing to do. It may have been more than this and God’s power can do miracles and beyond medicine. Beyond Jesus resurrection gave me healing for a nervous condition via the Holy Spirit at church blessing the Holy Communion.

This is from Luke 24 after Jesus’ resurrection -
“ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and are freighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy”

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RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 11:21

@Justmerach

You are just evangelizing now ?

Has the debate ended ?

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 11:25

RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 11:21

@Justmerach

You are just evangelizing now ?

Has the debate ended ?

I have already replied to you that I am not here to evangelise as you seem to think. It was not myself who posed these questions during the thread about the rescurrection that I am responding to now. You can post what you wish to as long as it within forum rules I guess and related to the theme of the thread somehow.

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Parker231 · 11/02/2026 11:36

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 11:19

I am not here to convince you of believing this if you don’t. Myself, I think Jesus may have died briefly and perhaps was put into a resting sleep like Lazarus was in John 11 as this sounds like the right thing to do. It may have been more than this and God’s power can do miracles and beyond medicine. Beyond Jesus resurrection gave me healing for a nervous condition via the Holy Spirit at church blessing the Holy Communion.

This is from Luke 24 after Jesus’ resurrection -
“ And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and are freighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy”

So why is your interpretation on resurrection and virgin birth correct and not mine - mine is factual and can be supported with evidence.

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 12:06

Parker231 · 11/02/2026 11:36

So why is your interpretation on resurrection and virgin birth correct and not mine - mine is factual and can be supported with evidence.

I didn't create this so it is not my interepretation as such but what I think is uniform with the majority of the Christian faith. I don't know what every person may think like though who considers themselves to be a Christian seeing as there have been heresies on this like the Aon heresy and deist heresy, I go by what is written in the scripture. I believe in the Christian faith which has been confirmed to me and you do not and that is your right if you so choose not to. I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God. We have an invisible world as well and God is part of that world and is much greater than us in his ability (2 Corinthians 4:18).

"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

I have not researched this, but the story of human beings waking form what can be perceived as death to me doesn't seem to be that rare and not just about the Christian faith. I will take a look later if I find any stories on this that are scientific that we have for people who have survived this.

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Parker231 · 11/02/2026 12:20

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 12:06

I didn't create this so it is not my interepretation as such but what I think is uniform with the majority of the Christian faith. I don't know what every person may think like though who considers themselves to be a Christian seeing as there have been heresies on this like the Aon heresy and deist heresy, I go by what is written in the scripture. I believe in the Christian faith which has been confirmed to me and you do not and that is your right if you so choose not to. I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God. We have an invisible world as well and God is part of that world and is much greater than us in his ability (2 Corinthians 4:18).

"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

I have not researched this, but the story of human beings waking form what can be perceived as death to me doesn't seem to be that rare and not just about the Christian faith. I will take a look later if I find any stories on this that are scientific that we have for people who have survived this.

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It’s an interpretation you believe in even though it’s incorrect - where’s the challenges?

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 12:42

Parker231 · 11/02/2026 12:20

It’s an interpretation you believe in even though it’s incorrect - where’s the challenges?

What challenges are you looking for and it is faith.

I wonder what challenges are you looking for. I have responded to what I can about the virgin birth. Here what are your challenges, it is meant to be you that bring them. Have you looked around for evidence yourself on ths with humans?

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RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 12:51

Parker231 · 11/02/2026 12:20

It’s an interpretation you believe in even though it’s incorrect - where’s the challenges?

Quote :"I have not researched this, but the story of human beings waking form what can be perceived as death to me doesn't seem to be that rare and not just about the Christian faith."

Perceived being the key word I expect.

Unlike @Parker231 , I know nowt about medical things. But I do know there is no actual dead person ever came back, As in totally dead. Not mistakenly diagnosed as dead.

If there is such a thing as a diagnosis of death ? I have never seen that on a medical melodrama. " I diagnose you as being dead".

It's like the AI you use @Justmerach. AI is just electrons rattling around conductors and silicon chips. Once the power goes ( inc ROMBios), then that's it.

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 12:54

RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 12:51

Quote :"I have not researched this, but the story of human beings waking form what can be perceived as death to me doesn't seem to be that rare and not just about the Christian faith."

Perceived being the key word I expect.

Unlike @Parker231 , I know nowt about medical things. But I do know there is no actual dead person ever came back, As in totally dead. Not mistakenly diagnosed as dead.

If there is such a thing as a diagnosis of death ? I have never seen that on a medical melodrama. " I diagnose you as being dead".

It's like the AI you use @Justmerach. AI is just electrons rattling around conductors and silicon chips. Once the power goes ( inc ROMBios), then that's it.

I don't use AI for medical stories and not most of this thread either.

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Parker231 · 11/02/2026 13:01

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 12:42

What challenges are you looking for and it is faith.

I wonder what challenges are you looking for. I have responded to what I can about the virgin birth. Here what are your challenges, it is meant to be you that bring them. Have you looked around for evidence yourself on ths with humans?

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Do you not challenge issues as a part of your daily life. I remember DT’s being taught at school to challenge and analyse math and science material.
There is fact and fiction, evidence and myths.

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 13:18

Parker231 · 11/02/2026 13:01

Do you not challenge issues as a part of your daily life. I remember DT’s being taught at school to challenge and analyse math and science material.
There is fact and fiction, evidence and myths.

I am not writing an essay here, this is a faith which I believe in which is as presented as such. It is for you to ask a question if you want. I think this is a standard approach.

This article may interest you on Auto Resuscitation

Lazarus Phenomenon or the Return from the Afterlife—What We Know about Auto Resuscitation

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10380628/

Lazarus Phenomenon or the Return from the Afterlife—What We Know about Auto Resuscitation - PMC

Autoresuscitation is a phenomenon of the heart during which it can resume its spontaneous activity and generate circulation. It was described for the first time by K. Linko in 1982 as a recovery after discontinued cardiopulmonary resuscitation ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10380628/

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Wapentake · 11/02/2026 13:47

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 13:18

I am not writing an essay here, this is a faith which I believe in which is as presented as such. It is for you to ask a question if you want. I think this is a standard approach.

This article may interest you on Auto Resuscitation

Lazarus Phenomenon or the Return from the Afterlife—What We Know about Auto Resuscitation

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10380628/

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the story of human beings waking form what can be perceived as death to me doesn't seem to be that rare and not just about the Christian faith. I will take a look later if I find any stories on this that are scientific that we have for people who have survived this.

@Justmerach, so now you're saying Jesus's resurrection was not an unparalleled miracle, a deity magically reversing death to offer eternal life to all Christians, but just an unusual, but observed and evidenced medical phenomenon that happens at the level of human biology?

This seems to be your modus operandi here. You assert something must be true because it's an article of Christian faith, someone points out that virgin births and resurrections from the dead are impossible and asks why you believe in them, then you run to the internet and cut and paste sermons from 'ministers' or equally random sources that suggest entirely different explanations for whatever the phenomenon is.

RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 14:06

Wapentake · 11/02/2026 13:47

the story of human beings waking form what can be perceived as death to me doesn't seem to be that rare and not just about the Christian faith. I will take a look later if I find any stories on this that are scientific that we have for people who have survived this.

@Justmerach, so now you're saying Jesus's resurrection was not an unparalleled miracle, a deity magically reversing death to offer eternal life to all Christians, but just an unusual, but observed and evidenced medical phenomenon that happens at the level of human biology?

This seems to be your modus operandi here. You assert something must be true because it's an article of Christian faith, someone points out that virgin births and resurrections from the dead are impossible and asks why you believe in them, then you run to the internet and cut and paste sermons from 'ministers' or equally random sources that suggest entirely different explanations for whatever the phenomenon is.

And ?

I went through the paper, and this bit appears key:

"Survival time after death ranged from minutes to hours, days, and even months. Six patients with the Lazarus phenomenon reached full recovery without neurological impairment. Some of the causes leading to autoresuscitation presented here are hyperventilation and alkalosis, auto-PEEP, delayed drug action, hypothermia, intoxication, metabolic disorders (hyperkalemia), and unobserved minimal vital signs. To avoid Lazarus Syndrome, it is recommended that the patient be monitored for 10 min after discontinuing CPR. Knowledge about this phenomenon should be disseminated in the medical community in order to improve the reporting of such cases. The probability of autoresuscitation among older people is possible."

So what they are saying in that certain conditions, after CPR is stopped and death called, the heart starts again. From further on, it says this only happens when it's a non cardiac episode that causes the arrest.

I can get the gist of that.

The , "days, and even months", I have no clue.

So what you are saying in that Jesus raising Lazarus was a medical thing, and not a miracle ? And the same for Jesus ?

I also note in the paper, that it is death being called because of no pulse. No mention of brain death. Which as @Parker231 mentioned above, is the real dead bit

After all, if the heart is stopped and can't be restarted, the medics will not be wheeling in a machine that goes beep when connected to the brain.

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 14:20

Wapentake · 11/02/2026 13:47

the story of human beings waking form what can be perceived as death to me doesn't seem to be that rare and not just about the Christian faith. I will take a look later if I find any stories on this that are scientific that we have for people who have survived this.

@Justmerach, so now you're saying Jesus's resurrection was not an unparalleled miracle, a deity magically reversing death to offer eternal life to all Christians, but just an unusual, but observed and evidenced medical phenomenon that happens at the level of human biology?

This seems to be your modus operandi here. You assert something must be true because it's an article of Christian faith, someone points out that virgin births and resurrections from the dead are impossible and asks why you believe in them, then you run to the internet and cut and paste sermons from 'ministers' or equally random sources that suggest entirely different explanations for whatever the phenomenon is.

I haven't written such a thing you have. I wrote that i may have heard of human beings who awoke when presumed to be dead or should be. I looked around and posted a link did you read it. No the sermon I know they are on topic, they were not found on google search.I listened in person.
I was replying to this person and I used a sermon to in part present it and that is fine as people had questions about this to what was answered in the sermons.

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Justmerach · 11/02/2026 14:34

RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 14:06

And ?

I went through the paper, and this bit appears key:

"Survival time after death ranged from minutes to hours, days, and even months. Six patients with the Lazarus phenomenon reached full recovery without neurological impairment. Some of the causes leading to autoresuscitation presented here are hyperventilation and alkalosis, auto-PEEP, delayed drug action, hypothermia, intoxication, metabolic disorders (hyperkalemia), and unobserved minimal vital signs. To avoid Lazarus Syndrome, it is recommended that the patient be monitored for 10 min after discontinuing CPR. Knowledge about this phenomenon should be disseminated in the medical community in order to improve the reporting of such cases. The probability of autoresuscitation among older people is possible."

So what they are saying in that certain conditions, after CPR is stopped and death called, the heart starts again. From further on, it says this only happens when it's a non cardiac episode that causes the arrest.

I can get the gist of that.

The , "days, and even months", I have no clue.

So what you are saying in that Jesus raising Lazarus was a medical thing, and not a miracle ? And the same for Jesus ?

I also note in the paper, that it is death being called because of no pulse. No mention of brain death. Which as @Parker231 mentioned above, is the real dead bit

After all, if the heart is stopped and can't be restarted, the medics will not be wheeling in a machine that goes beep when connected to the brain.

I think they say death usually can be presumed after 5 minutes. Jesus' case was exceptional as he bore wounds and this is not about that but about human beings alone who have lived past that five minutes counter.

This person in the article seemed to have a cardiac after and returned after the 5 minute rule. From the article itself you can click to the cases on the side.

In 2020, three new cases of self-resuscitation were documented. One of them was cardiac arrest in the operating room during laparotomy in a 33-year-old patient who had previously had a ventriculoperitoneal shunt after meningioma surgery and now had an “acute abdomen” due to a ventriculoperitoneal shunt. Computed tomography of the head showed areas of acute infarction involving the brainstem and cerebellar hemispheres, as well as moderate enlargement of the ventricular system with left-sided intraventricular hemorrhage 43]. During the procedure, the patient developed bradycardia and asystole. Resuscitation was undertaken and continued for 30 min. As the asystole did not change, resuscitation activities were discontinued. The operating field was closed, and the patient was disconnected from the ventilator. Twenty minutes after ascertaining death, the operating team noted the return of breathing and spontaneous circulation (systolic blood pressure 60 mmHg, pulse 62/min, normal sinus rhythm, respiratory rate 12/min, oxygen saturation 88–90%). The team of surgeons decided to reopen the abdominal cavity. The patient was diagnosed with infarction of the distal ileum and right colon as a result of cicatricle fusion and an inflammatory response involving a ventriculoperitoneal shunt. After surgery, the patient was transferred to the intensive care unit, extubated on the 3rd day, and discharged from the ward one day later. Unfortunately, on the seventh day, the patient died.

Lazarus Phenomenon or the Return from the Afterlife—What We Know about Auto Resuscitation - PMC

Autoresuscitation is a phenomenon of the heart during which it can resume its spontaneous activity and generate circulation. It was described for the first time by K. Linko in 1982 as a recovery after discontinued cardiopulmonary resuscitation ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10380628/#B43-jcm-12-04704

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RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 15:23

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 14:34

I think they say death usually can be presumed after 5 minutes. Jesus' case was exceptional as he bore wounds and this is not about that but about human beings alone who have lived past that five minutes counter.

This person in the article seemed to have a cardiac after and returned after the 5 minute rule. From the article itself you can click to the cases on the side.

In 2020, three new cases of self-resuscitation were documented. One of them was cardiac arrest in the operating room during laparotomy in a 33-year-old patient who had previously had a ventriculoperitoneal shunt after meningioma surgery and now had an “acute abdomen” due to a ventriculoperitoneal shunt. Computed tomography of the head showed areas of acute infarction involving the brainstem and cerebellar hemispheres, as well as moderate enlargement of the ventricular system with left-sided intraventricular hemorrhage 43]. During the procedure, the patient developed bradycardia and asystole. Resuscitation was undertaken and continued for 30 min. As the asystole did not change, resuscitation activities were discontinued. The operating field was closed, and the patient was disconnected from the ventilator. Twenty minutes after ascertaining death, the operating team noted the return of breathing and spontaneous circulation (systolic blood pressure 60 mmHg, pulse 62/min, normal sinus rhythm, respiratory rate 12/min, oxygen saturation 88–90%). The team of surgeons decided to reopen the abdominal cavity. The patient was diagnosed with infarction of the distal ileum and right colon as a result of cicatricle fusion and an inflammatory response involving a ventriculoperitoneal shunt. After surgery, the patient was transferred to the intensive care unit, extubated on the 3rd day, and discharged from the ward one day later. Unfortunately, on the seventh day, the patient died.

What is this 5 minute rule ?

Anyway, that does not matter. So you are saying Jesus was not actually dead ?

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 15:24

This is another case.

A case of the Lazarus phenomenon described in 2022 was cardiac arrest in a 25-year-old woman 46] admitted to the hospital due to persistent vomiting and weight loss. The patient had undergone bariatric surgery 6 months earlier. On the 16th day of hospitalization, the patient’s condition deteriorated, and cardiac arrest occurred due to asystole. Resuscitation activities were initiated, lasting as long as 73 min. Due to the lack of effects, resuscitation was terminated, and the patient was pronounced dead. After 15 min, the family noticed eye movements, and circulation was restored. After 10 weeks of hospital stay, the patient with neurological deficit was discharged home.

Lazarus Phenomenon or the Return from the Afterlife—What We Know about Auto Resuscitation - PMC

Autoresuscitation is a phenomenon of the heart during which it can resume its spontaneous activity and generate circulation. It was described for the first time by K. Linko in 1982 as a recovery after discontinued cardiopulmonary resuscitation ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10380628/#B46-jcm-12-04704

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Justmerach · 11/02/2026 15:27

RedTagAlan · 11/02/2026 15:23

What is this 5 minute rule ?

Anyway, that does not matter. So you are saying Jesus was not actually dead ?

I said two things. in both things that I wrote is that Jesus died. I said that he may have had life extinct and then awoke into a sleep form in the tomb, or he could been life extinct through it all,the spirit and soul does not die. Jesus died and was rescurrected.

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Parker231 · 11/02/2026 16:45

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 15:27

I said two things. in both things that I wrote is that Jesus died. I said that he may have had life extinct and then awoke into a sleep form in the tomb, or he could been life extinct through it all,the spirit and soul does not die. Jesus died and was rescurrected.

Edited

Cardiac cases can sometimes be resuscitated - their heart has stopped but they aren’t brain dead, although the longer the heart has stopped, the greater chance of brain damage. Once you are brain dead there is no going back and you cannot be resuscitated.
You can’t die and then wake up from a sleep

Justmerach · 11/02/2026 16:53

Now I will tell my own story after nearly dying in 2023. I entered hospice for an end stage condition with anorexia, agreed by the judge high court. There was no medication involved except standard medication I was on before. There was nothing more that they could do for me. I went in under 65lbs. I went in there and was given no more than two weeks to survive to go. Family came to say goodbye. Some I didn’thear as I was sleeping. I fell into sleep about somewhere near the second week. In the third week I just awoke. Two church’s had been praying for me. My dad said I stopped breathing in there and who knows if it could have been for longer as I probably was alone in that room for long periods. I woke up though in the third week. After some time and eating and drinking it was determined that I was not dying and I had be taken to a medical hospital for refeeding.

I said to myself that when I needed a neighbour must have visited and may be they did through the Holy Spirit. It is God Spirit who gave us breathe. Ezekiel 37 speaks to me that is possible and through the nostrils as well.
I stayed in the medical hospital for three weeks or so and got hospital pneumonia. I got better and came home discharged. I hovered around the weight I came to October 2024 still under 5 stones.

Then I had healing in April 2024 around for my nervous from the church without asking by taking the Eucharist.

Before I went in I saw images from the ministry and they were lots of church elders going one after the after in mitre hats. It meant they knew I would get out and it seems like Christ was claiming his healing that I had with Holy water and my nervous system through this. I never knew this at that time.

That was my story up till 2024 in April. Today I am doing much better. A lot of recovery has been done with my eating disorder and I do things I enjoy in life. Nobody is perfect is perfect but Christ and I had a difficult year with the autism for the first time like this in my life February 2025 and off and God intervened, with intervention to the head for this at church which I mentioned by the Holy Spirit in April 2025. Today I take every day as it comes and try and focus on what is important. I still have other issues going mild to moderate kidney disease and bone issues and I am ok with this. I have attached the hospice information with identity, it is mine.

Ezekiel 37- Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live.

Scripture to confirm that Jesus Christ is the Only true Son of God.,
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