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Do you believe in god?

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Unicorndreams24 · 04/01/2026 23:14

i have recently been thinking a lot about religion and wondering how many believe in god and also what made you come to the decision of believing?

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ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 11:19

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 10:06

The world is not in its current mess due to a broken relationship with god. Non believers are no more guilty than those with a faith

Thank you for sharing your thoughts; I appreciate we may differ on our belief system and I was sharing my own beliefs from a Christian-perspective. I understand those beliefs, which would take some time to detail on a social media site rather than face-to-face, may be different from those who don’t share the same faith. Ultimately, my beliefs are drawn from the Christian gospel, which others on this thread may not believe in or may have different views on.

GentleSheep · 06/01/2026 11:24

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 05:40

What was he busy working on when not creating?

God is "sustaining the Creation" - He holds it all together: (Colossians 1:17) "And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

He continually works to draw all people to Him: (John 12:32) "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

He gives appropriate spiritual gifts to people: (1 Corinthians Chapers 12 through 14)

He listens to and answers prayers (many places in the Bible)

He indwells his people and his church (Ephesians 2:22) "In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

He is seeing His plan of salvation through to its conclusion.

Preparing a place. Jesus says he goes to prepare a place for the faithful. (John 14:2-3) "In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also."

CurlewKate · 06/01/2026 11:24

I find the “the world is in flames because we have a broken relationship with God” idea difficult because it’s impossible to fix it. No matter how hard Christians work at fixing that relationship, there are far more people who are being good people without believing in god, or who have relationships with other gods. So exactly what does the Christian god want?

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 11:26

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 11:19

Thank you for sharing your thoughts; I appreciate we may differ on our belief system and I was sharing my own beliefs from a Christian-perspective. I understand those beliefs, which would take some time to detail on a social media site rather than face-to-face, may be different from those who don’t share the same faith. Ultimately, my beliefs are drawn from the Christian gospel, which others on this thread may not believe in or may have different views on.

Do you not believe that the mess in the world is in has nothing to do with non believers?

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 11:27

GentleSheep · 06/01/2026 11:24

God is "sustaining the Creation" - He holds it all together: (Colossians 1:17) "And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

He continually works to draw all people to Him: (John 12:32) "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

He gives appropriate spiritual gifts to people: (1 Corinthians Chapers 12 through 14)

He listens to and answers prayers (many places in the Bible)

He indwells his people and his church (Ephesians 2:22) "In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

He is seeing His plan of salvation through to its conclusion.

Preparing a place. Jesus says he goes to prepare a place for the faithful. (John 14:2-3) "In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also."

Well it hasn’t done a very good job!

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2026 11:27

Parker231 · 05/01/2026 15:25

I agree - I don’t need a religion to be a good person

Quite. I’ve known several awful people over the years who have claimed to be religious.

RedTagAlan · 06/01/2026 11:28

@GentleSheep

Just as a matter of interest, if you are up to the challenge, how does Sarfati explain Genesis 6:1-4

" And it comes to pass that mankind has begun to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters have been born to them, and the sons of God see that they, the daughters of men, [are] beautiful, and they take women for themselves of all whom they have chosen.And YHWH says, "My Spirit does not strive in man for all time, for indeed, he [is] flesh, but his days have been one hundred and twenty years." The giants were in the earth in those days, and even afterward, when sons of God come in to the daughters of men, and they have borne to them those who [were] the mighty from of old, the men of renown." (LSV)

Sons of gods, and giants ?

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 11:31

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 11:26

Do you not believe that the mess in the world is in has nothing to do with non believers?

I believe all are sinners; those that do not trust in Jesus and those that do. That includes me! These are my personal beliefs; I appreciate people may differ and I was sharing my views in response to the OP. I hope that makes sense.

RedTagAlan · 06/01/2026 11:37

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 11:31

I believe all are sinners; those that do not trust in Jesus and those that do. That includes me! These are my personal beliefs; I appreciate people may differ and I was sharing my views in response to the OP. I hope that makes sense.

But surely if everyone accepted Jesus etc, there would be no mess in the world ? According to the Christian model that is.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2026 11:39

lilybit2025 · 05/01/2026 23:33

No all religion is a cult to keep society in line.

Yep.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2026 11:39

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 11:31

I believe all are sinners; those that do not trust in Jesus and those that do. That includes me! These are my personal beliefs; I appreciate people may differ and I was sharing my views in response to the OP. I hope that makes sense.

All? Babies and children?

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 11:46

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 11:31

I believe all are sinners; those that do not trust in Jesus and those that do. That includes me! These are my personal beliefs; I appreciate people may differ and I was sharing my views in response to the OP. I hope that makes sense.

I don’t believe I’m a sinner - hate giving anyone labels like that. It’s another religious concept to try and force people to behave in a certain way. It’s wrong.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2026 11:55

Neither am I or my close friends or family.

The original sin crap. Tells you who made all of this stuff up and it likely wasn’t women.

Theresalittlebitofwitchinyou · 06/01/2026 11:56

No absolutely not. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable seeing so much horrible stuff done in the name of organised religion. We have neighbours who invited my DC to a children’s tent meeting and the consent form actually stated that “children will be compliant to all instruction given by the leaders without question” Yep sorry no way, I raised mine to ask questions and know that if something feels wrong it probably is. Creepy as…

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2026 12:00

Theresalittlebitofwitchinyou · 06/01/2026 11:56

No absolutely not. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable seeing so much horrible stuff done in the name of organised religion. We have neighbours who invited my DC to a children’s tent meeting and the consent form actually stated that “children will be compliant to all instruction given by the leaders without question” Yep sorry no way, I raised mine to ask questions and know that if something feels wrong it probably is. Creepy as…

I imagine the parents of John Smyth’s victims were required to sign similar.

Those poor children.

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 06/01/2026 12:39

Yes, I believe in God.
I became a Christian as an adult in 1981.

I did believe in the existence of God from childhood, but had an encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ in 1978 which led to me surrender my life to Him in 1981, at which point a relationship began which grew as He revealed more of Himself to me day by day.

ProblematicallyPorus · 06/01/2026 12:41

A lot that's done in the name of religion has nothing to do with it.

People will forever be claiming one cause (religion, democracy, stopping drugs etc) while pursuing their own agenda (grabbing land, oil, ego, empire building).

Jesus hated religion too. As I said in my earlier posts His example is love.

GarlicSound · 06/01/2026 12:49

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2026 11:55

Neither am I or my close friends or family.

The original sin crap. Tells you who made all of this stuff up and it likely wasn’t women.

One of my pet stories: Asherah was the wife of Baal/El, the chief god in the Canaanite pantheon. A very popular goddess, believed to be extremely powerful, she was represented by 'trees' - which were probably poles carved into some particular shape.

As Yahweh's worship grew, he assimilated El's role. All the languages in the region referred to their highest god as El, Al, and similar terms (see Allah, Elohim and more). Asherah got transferred along with El and, for the first several hundred years of Judaism, was Yahweh's wife.

She continued to be very popular. It was normal to worship both at dual temples; she also had woman-led temples that specialised in things like fertility issues. She was a hearth and mother goddess: people would view her as central to the home (unlike Yahweh).

Baal/El and Asherah were very sexy. It's widely believed that their temples hosted public sex rituals and employed 'prostitutes' of both sexes. Unsurprisingly, Yahweh's priests seem to have embraced these practices with some enthusiasm.

King Josiah, late 7th century BC, decreed the priesthood corrupt and Asherah's worship as forbidden idolatry. He ordered all the dual temples and female temples destroyed, all the prostitutes killed and the corrupt priests, all Asherah's trees cut down and every woman who had anything to do with her temples killed. Only the most rigorous, patriarchal fun sponges were to remain as priests, with their simplistic temples.

The bible plays this down, glossing over Asherah as a bad influence and, naturally, celebrating the people's return to the Right Way (a mass-murdering king will do that). There's a contemporary account by someone who visited a town of Judah after the cleansing. He describes the ashes of the tree before the ruined temple, the bodies of women covering the entire space around it. He says they were not to be moved, but allowed to rot into the earth. He says their blood will nourish the soil. This may have been a last sneer at these women worshippers of 'fertility'.

The remains of a dual altar have been found at a single temple site. There were cannabis traces in the burner bowls.

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 12:50

RedTagAlan · 06/01/2026 11:37

But surely if everyone accepted Jesus etc, there would be no mess in the world ? According to the Christian model that is.

I understand why you might think that, but that isn’t how I understand it biblically. Christianity doesn’t teach that human acceptance of Jesus would remove all suffering now; it teaches that even redeemed people live in a broken world, with hope ultimately in God’s restoration rather than human belief fixing everything. I was simply sharing my own faith in response to the OP. If it’s of interest to discuss further, you’re welcome to message me directly and I will gladly try to respond when I am able.

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 12:51

ProblematicallyPorus · 06/01/2026 12:41

A lot that's done in the name of religion has nothing to do with it.

People will forever be claiming one cause (religion, democracy, stopping drugs etc) while pursuing their own agenda (grabbing land, oil, ego, empire building).

Jesus hated religion too. As I said in my earlier posts His example is love.

Indeed; this was beautifully put. I do not describe myself as religious, but attempting to follow the Bible and have a personal relationship with God and Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Thank you so much for sharing!

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 12:53

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2026 12:00

I imagine the parents of John Smyth’s victims were required to sign similar.

Those poor children.

I agree. It is extremely traumatic what happened to those victims; a friend of mine was a victim of John Smyth, and was one of the key people who played a wonderful role in bringing me to faith. I am grateful for his kindness and endurance through such a traumatic and horrifying experience.

GentleSheep · 06/01/2026 12:54

RedTagAlan · 06/01/2026 11:28

@GentleSheep

Just as a matter of interest, if you are up to the challenge, how does Sarfati explain Genesis 6:1-4

" And it comes to pass that mankind has begun to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters have been born to them, and the sons of God see that they, the daughters of men, [are] beautiful, and they take women for themselves of all whom they have chosen.And YHWH says, "My Spirit does not strive in man for all time, for indeed, he [is] flesh, but his days have been one hundred and twenty years." The giants were in the earth in those days, and even afterward, when sons of God come in to the daughters of men, and they have borne to them those who [were] the mighty from of old, the men of renown." (LSV)

Sons of gods, and giants ?

I really love the verses to do with what have been called the Nephilim. It's such a mystery and comes out of left field as you are reading! Jewish writers have understood this as diabolical angel-human intermarriage, which produced the Nephilim, the 'giants', Sarfati says. Interpreters have struggled with these verses, for sure.

Sarfati says that the 'sons of god' = angels, using the method of 'scripture interprets scripture'. The Hebrew words used are consistently used to refer to angels in the OT, both good and bad. See Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. These 'sons of god' were also present when God created the earth - Job 38:4-7. So if the usage here in Genesis doesn't refer to angels then it's the one exception. Angels in the Bible are always male, never feminine or neutral, thus 'sons of god'.

2 Peter 2:4-5 indicates this gross angelic sin occurred not long before the Flood. "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;"

Also Jude 6-7 "And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day"

I will pause there for lunch!

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 12:55

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 11:46

I don’t believe I’m a sinner - hate giving anyone labels like that. It’s another religious concept to try and force people to behave in a certain way. It’s wrong.

Thank you for sharing your perspective. We do not believe the same, but I am grateful that we are all able to hold different beliefs so gracefully.

Parker231 · 06/01/2026 12:56

ByLovingTraybake · 06/01/2026 12:55

Thank you for sharing your perspective. We do not believe the same, but I am grateful that we are all able to hold different beliefs so gracefully.

It’s very sad and disgusting that religion would make anyone feel that they are a sinner.

GarlicSound · 06/01/2026 12:56

😧@Theresalittlebitofwitchinyou, that's very alarming!

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