Atheists and proof

[Kdtym10]

On several threads, some atheists have said they would believe in God/the Divine if they had proof. If you’re an atheist what would that proof look like to you?

“This simply doesn’t exist with political ideas, say. Nobody says you are rude and offensive, and perhaps shouldn’t be saying this, if you criticise Labour or the Tories.” You’re having a laugh-right?

Yes, apart from some nutter would probably attack you. But that is an ideological problem with that faith.

The monty Python crew survived the Life of Brian

OK but they also can't go to boys school if they are girls or a grammar school if there aren't any or maybe one school is better for something. Most schools are based in catchment anyway. I dont agree with this government but I still pay my taxes. My kids are in a state school and presumabley yours are as well so that's as it should be.
Also are you that bothered about " funding " a few bible storied and colouring in? My son goes to a C of E school as its our local one. They study all fauths. He doesn't believe, started doing Bhuddist meditation at the church on pancake day. Nobody minds.

No I am not.

Say you said that the Rwanda Bill was unjust and the Tories need to be kicked out because they are a bunch of entitled out-of-touch incompetents. Would it be a reasonable thing for me to say that I am Tory and that has deeply offended me to the core of being?

And would wider society say “that’s right, don’t criticise his political beliefs, that’s rude.”? Obviously not.

You missed my point about food banks BTW I wasn't trying to make it a competition.

The point about criticising- nobody gets arrested for doing that. We can all criticise. Politics is all about disagreeing anyway, its a game for them half the time. We do teach kids to be respectful to get along with others. I know some ppl who would get upset if you said you liked Margeret Thatcher or something else unpopular (BTW I dont), actually that could get you a punch in the nose some places

@1Corinthians13 it's about admissions policies, not about colouring in. But hey- why would you care? I've never yet met a Christian who didn't take a "Oh dear, how sad" attitude to school admissions.

Wow you really resent us dont you?

BTW going by what I know, any faith schools are based on catchment not religion of your child. I dont agree with the policy of not admiting non Christians but sounds like you love your assumptions so I dont think I'll bother replying any more.

They are based on catchment area but they still privilege children from particular religious families within that catchment area. They admit some who don’t observe the religion but it’s only a minority and they still have to be sympathetic to the aims of the religion.

Ah ok. Dont think I was even asked about my faith or my kids. If they are majority Christian they are hiding it well. Other places must be different but that sounds unusual to Mr .

To me I mean

It's not unusual. It's totally normal. Every reasonably sized town has one, two or more CoE or Catholic primary schools that prioritise those that can evidence their faith correctly. As it happens, I also would want to get rid of grammar schools and single sex schools. State education should not be the mish mash of previous systems that it currently is in England (no recent experience of the rest of the UK).

OK, fair enough.

Catholic schools certainly have that requirement, I know that.

I have a funny position on religious schools. I am not religious but I believe in religious freedom and the right of people to organise and associate along religious lines. So it’s hard to argue against religious schools. It gets interesting when you start thinking about what they teach about evolution etc though.

They will teach national curriculum

And in addition to the national curriculum they will teach their particular religious content. And organise religious worship, and the whole focus of the school will be around the religion.

All state schools are supposed to have a daily act of Christian worship, but the vast majority don't do this and OFSTED no longer criticise them for omitting it. It would be great if the requirement was formally removed at some point.

Not really in my experience but maybe some are more hard core, most kids ignore it anyway IMO. They do teach other faiths and definitely not " you have to believe this ", maybe Catholic schools are different.

Weird. There was nothing controversial or rude in that deleted post!

Unfortunately, the humanist society took away our one CofE school - it’s now become a de facto Muslim school that you can’t get into except if you belong to certain families who have bought the houses right next to the school and there is a revolving door of family members in those properties for less than a year. Means kids on the same road can’t get into what is their local primary Way to go humanist society. People used to get in from much further afield snd happy to take in a number of non- Christian’s previously.

I might 'believe in' god, or rather I might have a working hypothesis that there could be a supernatural being with god-like characteristics rather than a working hypothesis that their isn't one if there was any evidence at all that there is a god. For instance if there was any evidence that prayer made any difference whatsoever to outcomes (the available evidence shows it doesn't), or if there was evidence that wine is trans-substantiated into the blood of Christ (the available evidence shows that it isn't). It would take very radical counter evidence to overturn the elements of Christianity there is huge amounts of evidence against (e.g. fossils), I can't imagine that happening. If there is a god but they doesn't do anything at all to the extent that there is no way to measure any effect of the god in any domain, then what exactly is the point of that god for humans? Our existence would be exactly the same without them.

All schools should be secular and non-religious. They shouldn't promote or discourage religion. They should teach all religions in RE as part of knowledge about humanity. Religious practice should not be state funded.

@1Corinthians13 "Wow you really resent us dont you?"

No. What I resent is priority admissions being given to people of faith to tax payer funded state schools.