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Anyone feel like they've joined a cult - Christian perspective please

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Sweetladyjane · 17/10/2023 09:37

This might be a rambly so I apologise in advance for this.

I recently left the evangelical church where I became a Christian after falling out with the pastors after they told me I needed to rely on God more than the Dr's for my bipolar. It wasn't a friendly leaving and I still have a lot of resentment about feeling pushed out.

I joined a CofE church where it seems the teaching is very authority driven and although they talk a lot about building a relationship with Jesus they are also very anti women leaders and take a strong line on LGBTQ+ which doesn't align with my beliefs.

This coupled with having a non-Christian boyfriend (he's an atheist) I'm feeling pushed out again. I work for a Christian charity and one of my colleagues is a fundamentalist and uses every opportunity we're alone in the office to preach at me. He even went so far as to send me scripture quotes just before I went away with my boyfriend for the weekend so he could meet my parents.

I'm feeling very confused about where I fit in at church - or even if I do and a little like I've been brain washed.

It's further complicated by the fact that I work for a Christian charity and am also a Street Pastor and volunteer in the college chaplaincy so I would have to stop the street pastors and chaplaincy work if I wasn't a member of a church and I love both of these activities and feeling a calling to help people and I'm not sure if I could find other voluntary work in the secular world.

I guess I'm looking for direction on where to go with these feelings and how to make a decision on if I leave church and go it alone.

Thank you for reading and any advice gratefully received!

OP posts:
Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/10/2023 11:26

crimsonfleet · 21/10/2023 11:25

And now we have the comparison of homosexuality to beastiality. Well done.

What a weird connection?! 😆

crimsonfleet · 21/10/2023 11:32

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/10/2023 11:26

What a weird connection?! 😆

Yes well, you're the one who made it.

gotomomo · 21/10/2023 11:38

I'd look for a different c of e church. I've worked for several and none are authoritarian and all are very accepting of lgbtq et al. We have a trans member and several gay members at my current church, at my previous church we were around 1/3 lgbtq+ and hosted the annual pride service, flying the flag on pride day for the city etc.

My current rector is a divorced woman!!!

It's a very broad church

gotomomo · 21/10/2023 11:39

There's an inclusive churches website, that's a good starting point but if your local church isn't on it it doesn't mean they aren't, it just means they haven't filled in the paperwork!

PhantomUnicorn · 21/10/2023 11:42

I'm not usually one for sharing links, but this came across my feed this last week.

now i am pagan, but from a christian background.. i began to feel uncomfortable in my faith in my late teens/early 20s and began the path of discovery to find what faith aligned with my personal feelings on stuff.. i ended up Eclectic Pagan.. that being i dont ascribe to any religion, i follow mine.

Much of it is kinda christian, love, kindness, acceptance, do no harm, help others...etc, but without the hellfire and judgement.

Just.. give it a watch, and a ponder.

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Sorciere1 · 21/10/2023 12:29

These Bible believers always give me a laugh; I'm ethnically Jewish (pagan now) and they pick and choose what parts of the OT and NT suit. They aren't kosher, don't keep the Sabbath on Saturday , don't practice polygamy, or grow beards, but according to the NT slavery is ok, but divorce is out.
They pick on homosexuality (I'm a lesbian) because it's so easy to be virtuous! If you're already not same sex attracted, you don't have to sacrifice anything.

gotomomo · 21/10/2023 14:20

There's an inclusive churches website, that's a good starting point but if your local church isn't on it it doesn't mean they aren't, it just means they haven't filled in the paperwork!

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/10/2023 16:14

crimsonfleet · 21/10/2023 11:32

Yes well, you're the one who made it.

You conflated the two, not I. However, if it's games we're playing, I am rubber, you are glue, bounces off me and sticks to you. 😘

crimsonfleet · 21/10/2023 17:44

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 21/10/2023 16:14

You conflated the two, not I. However, if it's games we're playing, I am rubber, you are glue, bounces off me and sticks to you. 😘

I'm glad you find homophobic tropes funny, I'm assuming you've never been on the receiving end of them.

Maatandosiris · 23/10/2023 16:29

Edwardandtubbs · 18/10/2023 20:05

I think what people misunderstand/forget about the UK is that there are a number of Christians here who are Christian by tradition rather than belief, and I include myself in that number.

I am baptised and go to church regularly, but I’m not sure if I believe in God. And I sure as heck don’t believe everything scripture tells me. I feel comfortable at church and it’s my right to be there.

I believe in inclusive church, and the ‘best’ Christians I’ve met have been lesbians. People who believe far harder than me and yet have been rejected by their own church.

We have a birthright to our churches in this country, our ancestors built these buildings and they started a great tradition of sitting through services they couldn’t understand and didn’t believe in.

Everyone has the right to go to a church where they feel at home and are welcomed because that, really, is the fundamental tenet of Christianity.

I would encourage you to continue your quest to find an inclusive and welcoming church, OP. The Anglican tradition probably fits best with your needs but speak to some clergy and see what comes from it.

You certainly don’t have to put up with sanctimonious bollocks from anyone who thinks they are superior to you.

Love your take on this.

Isoqueen · 26/10/2023 08:49

Just to say good luck on your quest to find a suitable church. ‘In my father’s house are many mansions,’ as the Bible says. Personally I prefer biblically based churches, you know exactly where you stand .

Meadowfly · 27/10/2023 07:33

Edwardandtubbs - yes! We are the same. I go to our village church and do the coffees afterwards because it’s a nice thing to do and the (mainly elderly) congregation are all so kind and everyone has a good chat afterwards)never about God). I can’t believe in God but I enjoy church and find it very reflective and a space for contemplation on what’s important etc. sitting in a place where people have sat for 1000 years doing the same thing is wonderful.

ganondoof · 27/10/2023 11:11

Isoqueen · 26/10/2023 08:49

Just to say good luck on your quest to find a suitable church. ‘In my father’s house are many mansions,’ as the Bible says. Personally I prefer biblically based churches, you know exactly where you stand .

Aren't all churches Bible based?

pickledandpuzzled · 28/10/2023 07:49

Not really Ganandoof.

Some emphasise personal experience of the Holy Spirit.
The Trinity isn’t particularly well evidenced in the Bible, it’s more from early theologians logically working it out, yet it’s a fundamental doctrine.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/10/2023 08:27

pickledandpuzzled · 28/10/2023 07:49

Not really Ganandoof.

Some emphasise personal experience of the Holy Spirit.
The Trinity isn’t particularly well evidenced in the Bible, it’s more from early theologians logically working it out, yet it’s a fundamental doctrine.

It's not really evidenced at all, and the 'logic' seems to be one of trying to reconcile incompatible statements.

pickledandpuzzled · 28/10/2023 11:39

Well yes. I was being polite!

Isoqueen · 30/10/2023 22:40

I’ve been reading ‘Knowing God ‘ by J.I.Packer which is quite helpful in explaining things. Not a quick read but a lot of food for thought .

AskingForAFriendAgain · 31/10/2023 11:45

@Babochan88 @Thegreatestoftheseislove what isn't biblical about taking medications for bipolar disorder? A church that tells her not to take her meds is not acting biblically, they're adding to the Bible.

Babochan88 · 01/11/2023 17:26

AskingForAFriendAgain · 31/10/2023 11:45

@Babochan88 @Thegreatestoftheseislove what isn't biblical about taking medications for bipolar disorder? A church that tells her not to take her meds is not acting biblically, they're adding to the Bible.

I agree apologies if it seemed otherwise. But absolutely use medication for bipolar. God heals in many ways - medication is one of them.

calyrex · 01/11/2023 18:27

Babochan88 · 01/11/2023 17:26

I agree apologies if it seemed otherwise. But absolutely use medication for bipolar. God heals in many ways - medication is one of them.

So OPs are right about the homophobia, wrong about the medication. How convenient.

Babochan88 · 01/11/2023 22:37

calyrex · 01/11/2023 18:27

So OPs are right about the homophobia, wrong about the medication. How convenient.

I’m unsure about the point you’re trying to make?

calyrex · 01/11/2023 22:41

Babochan88 · 01/11/2023 22:37

I’m unsure about the point you’re trying to make?

Just that it's funny you think telling someone not to take their medicine is not "biblical", but the homophobia and sexism totally is.

followingthebreath · 01/11/2023 22:42

My instinct is to suggest a Unitarian gathering x

Wincher · 01/11/2023 22:50

I would just add that the Methodist Church is entirely inclusive and justice seeking ((heck, most of its senior leadership are gay), though I can’t promise individual local churches are so liberal. But the overall ethos is that all are welcome, whoever they are, with a strong emphasis on justice for those who have been hurt by Church attitudes in the past.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/11/2023 22:54

Or the URC perhaps, they've had women ministers for over a century and were first, alongside the Quakers, to perform gay marriages I think.

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