"Prove to me god doesn't exist"

[TanithDaUnicorn]

This argument is usually used in a debate when you've backed a religious person into a corner, and they can't answer. They always have this in their arsenal. Right next to "Mysterious ways" And "That's just what I believe"

How arrogant that you (Talking to someone who would use this argument) Think it is MY job to prove to YOU that your god doesn't exist. Prove to me Pink unicorns don't exist. Can't? Then you should believe it because you can't rule it out!

You may think that example is a little extreme but I see no difference between "Prove to me god doesn't really exist" To "Prove to me lord voldemort doesn't really exist"

What are your thoughts on this argument? Do you use it? Has someone used it on you? Do you get as frustrated as I do?

@Vincitveritas So you are saying that God doesn't have any timeline?

Yes, exactly that - past, present, future and the rules of physics no longer apply. There is no timeline, God is eternal.

You might be interested in having a look at this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/4610943-god-is-the-creator-so-who-created-god

Although predictably it turned into a bit of a bun fight towards the end.

This begs the answer “ Prove to me that God does exist”.

But here must be some kind of chronology between God's actions... That can't make sense!

My argument is, does Santa exist or does Superman exist. Human condition is so complex that you can understand its a normal thing for many people to want to be part of something bigger than them. Fear of death. In my opinion religion is responsible for the worst atrocities ever and people should stop being infantalised and live in a healthy, cooperative society but that's another topic. Ricky Gervais is spot on about organised religion.

No, it doesn't make sense to us, in the same way our tiny minds can't fathom the vastness of space.

Wow, how open minded and adult of you!!!

I'm sorry but really even for God that can't make any sense, he first does this then he does this... as it is written in all your holy books, he does stuff, and he does them in a order. So he would definitely need a timeline. You can't evade that one.

Even if he travel trough "human's time" as he pleased he still need his own timeline, that's my point.

@Barbe63 Your right that God has intervened throughout human history, but that doesn't mean that he is bound by the same rules - he created them, after all! I disagree that God needs a timeline. God is spirit, without beginning or end, omniscient and omnipresent.
"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible." Hebrews 11:3.

This is discussion on the concept of time the most interesting part of the thread.
It’s western thought that envisions time as a line stretching from past to future in which we all move along at a steady speed.
But many other cultures conceptualise time quite differently some Australian aborigine tribes see time as a single moment where everything is happening at once. Ancestors living the same time as you, the land, the seasons…it’s all one single moment and there are connections stretching between everything affecting everyone…as in what you do can affect an ancestors life. So there is no such thing as past, present or future. It is all one.

A few Native American tribes viewed time as a river with the future behind you and the past in front of you.

Other cultures viewed time as a great wheel of existence , a cycle where history repeats itself and so do people via reincarnation until you break free and enter a pure energy realm where time doesn’t exist.

Other views have time as a spiral with links sometimes touching so say 1880 could touch 1980 and people can cross over at these connections.

Theres also the idea that time flows at different speeds for the divine than for humans. The Bible says 1 day in heaven is 1000 years on Earth…this is inherited from Greek religion which explains why the Gods appear to never age.

Even theoretical physics has shown that time can speed up and slow down.

Just because events are seen in an order by us, doesn’t mean it is the same from the perspective of a being in another dimension or plane of existence.

A few good Dr Who episodes would tell you this.

I don't belive it's got anything to do with arrogance. I did a science degree. Science does not sit well with Adam and eve etc.

The first thing I was thought on my degree is that you can not dismiss what you can not disprove. So adam and eve is a theory. Evolution is a theory. Just imo I know which one shows more evidence to be the truth.

It's nothing about arrogance. I 1000% belive in evolution. I don't shove it down anyone throats and I don't engage in arguments about religion or politics. Both seem to bring out the angry.

Adam and Eve is at most a hypothesis. It’s not at the level of a theory. Theories have to have tons of evidence behind them.

Can you not see OP that you are what you hate?

whose this funny man that lives in the sky that nobody has ever seen.

God is ancient hearsay, not scientifically proven fact.

Yes I wish you’d see the issues as an open minded adult instead of Santa and superman.

Whose the unimaginative unthinking person who endlessly repeats that hoary old chestnut.

But lay people don't use the word hypothesis. At least none that I know.

But MariEllie the comparison with Santa and Superman is valid because there is just as much objective evidence proving their existence (or lack of) as is the case for God. You might not enjoy the comparison, but it is true nonetheless. Unless you can provide evidence of God? (Blind faith is not evidence I’m afraid).

Again, sorry MariEllie, I’m not meaning to be rude because I respect the beliefs of others. Maybe you could try to show a bit more tolerance of other equally valid viewpoints in return?

I believe in science, dinosaurs, evolution and all that good stuff, together with the evidence that sits behind it.

There is no such evidence for God. I could equally accuse you of being blind to the complexities of our wonderful universe due to you attributing it to the influence of a deity which has never ever been proved to exist.