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HAs science answered how God flooded the earth?

52 replies

HowDdo2You · 11/08/2015 12:40

www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/

A great flood is mentioned in many ancient cultures and religious text.

What do you think?

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BigDorrit · 11/08/2015 12:49

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TTWK · 11/08/2015 13:22

It didn't happen, so there is nothing for science to answer. Jonah didn't live in a whale either.

fourtothedozen · 11/08/2015 14:31

Rubbish.

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 15:35

I like this.

Science casts extreme doubt on every claim the bible makes...Christians don't care. "It's not about facts, it's about faith".

Science seems (if you squint and look at it sideways) to support a bible myth and suddenly science matters again!

This article says nothing about a worldwide flood - which we already know did not happen.

HowDdo2You · 11/08/2015 15:37

Where did I ever say Science did not matter?

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LemonCream · 11/08/2015 15:50

From the way you've phrased your question, you clearly believe that the world was flooded at some point.

Science has proven (umpteen times) that this never happened...no matter what primitive texts claim.

So, it would seem that you are quite selective about which bits of science you want to listen to.

ouryve · 11/08/2015 15:50

If the number of soggy towels I have hanging out is anything to go by, he sent DS2.

HowDdo2You · 11/08/2015 15:54

Grin @ ouryve

Well I had no idea that it has been proven earth has never been flooded. Shock

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fourtothedozen · 11/08/2015 15:56

There is also no biological evidence that all animals have been subjected to such a genetic bottleneck. That can be clearly proven.

More explained here:

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ErrolTheDragon · 11/08/2015 16:28
Grin
LemonCream · 11/08/2015 16:32

Well I had no idea that it has been proven earth has never been flooded

You're shocked by this???

MephistophelesApprentice · 11/08/2015 16:32

One suggestion I have heard is that the prevalence of myths around a great flood in the mesopotamian area is a very garbled folk memory of the creation of the Mediterranean sea. After the last ice age, the rising sea levels finally overwhelmed the barrier at the Gates of Hercules and flooded the mediterranean basin. To anyone in the immediate area that is likely to have seemed like the end of the world. The increased precipitation referred to in the myths would also be associated with the consequences of the natural climate change.

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 16:45

Lots of events throughout history might have been the root of the various myths. Most myths are rooted somewhere in reality if we look hard enough.

But a worldwide flood? Never happened. Didn't even come close to happening. And that's all the really matters in a discussion about the veracity of the bible, which was apparently written/inspired by a deceitful god.

HowDdo2You · 11/08/2015 16:47

Where is the evidence it didn't happen?

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ErrolTheDragon · 11/08/2015 16:47

Yes, that's the most plausible explanation for the myth - and there will likely have been other such devastating but 'local' flood events in prehistory.

Some scientists think the earth could have once been nearly covered with water (based on computer simulation) ... but about 2.5 billion years ago, when there was nothing more complex than bacteria and algae.

If you really believe that 'God' flooded the earth, then you don't actually need a 'how', do you? He could have just magicked up extra water, drowned nearly everything, then afterwards somehow sorted out the koalas etc etc etc. The 'why' of the myth and the what it says about Who is more interesting than any vaguely scientific 'how', don't you think?

ErrolTheDragon · 11/08/2015 16:51

Where is the evidence it didn't happen?

In the rocks of the earth, in the genes of the myriad species living on our planet today.

Where is the evidence that it did?

note - science is not obliged to disprove any wild theory unsupported by evidence, be it the flood or the existence of invisible pink unicorns.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 11/08/2015 16:53

I think Charles Lyell was generally perceived to have laid this one to rest in 1830... Not really sure why it keeps popping back up!

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 17:00

Where is the evidence that it didn't happen?

It doesn't work like that, I'm afraid. The onus is on the person making the claim (that it did) to bring the evidence. You can't prove that something didn't happen, logically, because things that don't happen don't leave an evidence trail.

But the geologic column alone proves that it didn't happen. Not to mention the anthropological and historical evidence that does not indicate a gap caused by human beings being wiped out en mass. Plant life didn't suffer this event either.

Really...there was no worldwide flood 5000 years ago. That doesn't mean there weren't floods though - possibly even some catastrophic ones - just nothing like this supposed event.

HowDdo2You · 11/08/2015 17:04

It doesn't work like that, I'm afraid. The onus is on the person making the claim (that it did) to bring the evidence.

In your rule book, not in mine. Thank you for sharing your information though. I haven't been too interested in this particular niche previously.

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TheOriginalSteamingNit · 11/08/2015 17:10

Well, start with Principles of Geology (1830) and then just keep reading all the rest of the geology up to and including the present day. But steer clear of websites with cartoon dinosaurs looking scared and nearly extinct on top of hills as an ark sails by...

ThisFenceIsComfy · 11/08/2015 17:14

I think you could find big floods throughout ancient history. Not world wide. But the the biblical "flood" was probably not either considering the people's idea of the size of the world back then.

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 17:15

Not my "rule book", OP - the laws of logic.

Nobody can prove that something didn't happen. It's an impossibility.

fancyanotherfez · 11/08/2015 17:19

I think its the science rule book actually! You can only prove something happened or state that there is no evidence for something. The bible was written by people who didn't travel round the world. The world was the Middle East. The garden of Eden was the Middle East, which explains how Adam and Eve had more than 2 descendents- Cain and Abel procreated with people who were from outside. Any melting caused by the end of an. Ice Age, or developing of rivers would have looked like a world flood

TTWK · 11/08/2015 20:11

In your rule book, not in mine.

It's not her rulebook, it's the rule book of accepted scientific method the world over, and the common sense rulebook of anyone with an IQ in double figures!

LumpySpacedPrincess · 11/08/2015 21:39

I prefer this theory.