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Ideas for local evangelism/mission, please

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Italiangreyhound · 15/05/2015 00:56

Hi, in our area we have a new housing development and our church (C of E) would like to make the new residents aware of our church, of what we offer and to invite them along to join us for events etc.

Does anyone have any ideas for local evangelism/mission, please?

Anyone tried any stuff locally that went down better than other things?

Thanks so much. Grin

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Gralick · 17/05/2015 00:33

The veil of ignorance is supposed to completely clear your mind of presuppositions & prejudices. It's a cornerstone of our judicial system.

And I'm FAR too tired to get into dialectical philosophy now! Can't even type the word, I had to do it 4 times. G'night!

capsium · 17/05/2015 00:34

Grin good night.

Italiangreyhound · 17/05/2015 00:44

Good night all. Grin

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propelusagain · 17/05/2015 07:26

Children are not allowed to do things these days without parents permission. If anything is done, like in school, it is probably done as this is what Christians believe etc, not this is what you should believe. It might be different at a church school. But that is a whole 'nuther can of worms!!!

Crap. State schools are legally obliged to "lead active worship". The interpetation of this is at the head teacher's discretion.
In case of my children it meant regular prayers, daily jesus songs, assemblies led by local clergy, bible study. god being talked about constantly in the classroom " oh look children, the sun is shining, isn't god wonderful" - this is in a non faith school.

capsium · 17/05/2015 07:35

Do you feel this has detrimentally affected your children propel?

propelusagain · 17/05/2015 07:44

Get a grip capsium

How would you feel if your kids were fed the Koran on a daily basis and were instructed to put their faces to the floor to worship Allah.
You would be OK with that?

capsium · 17/05/2015 07:51

They are not but if the only near school they could go to was a free school, where the worship element was Muslim, I would firstly talk with the school regarding what is involved in the worship. If I was disaistfied, I would see if any other parents felt like me and see if they would collectively agree to withdraw all our children from worship. If not, I would consider just withdrawing my child from worship, changing schools, home schooling or moving areas.

TooBusyByHalf · 17/05/2015 07:56

Oh dear. Don't want to get sidetracked into schools on this thread. I just wanted to say sorry italian if you were offended by saying beach missions sound awful. It was too strong a word. But I wouldn't like people trying to convert me or my kids on a day out a the beach.

propelusagain · 17/05/2015 08:05

Our local primary school organises a holiday club for kids. Held at a local community hall, the themes vary- Desert Island Castaway, Detective, Builder, Clowning Around etc.
They run for a whole day for a week, cost £2 a day.
Hugely publicised by the school, flyers. posters, mentioned at assemblies, posters up in the local post office, big banner outside the community hall. A couple of the teachers help at the event.
What's not to love about such a fantastic scheme? Kids are excited, parents get some respite from their bored children.

Except it is actually run by the church as part of their outreach programme. All the activities are bible based, kids come home with bible tracts, crucifixes, pictures of scenes from the bible.

Very low and shoddy. My kids lasted one day, before they realised the whole thing was a trojan horse.

capsium · 17/05/2015 08:12

Sounds like your children know their own minds, then propel and can act upon them in a row pretty robust fashion.

Tbh with any club, etc organised by the church, I think they should be completely open about what the activities they are organising will continue mists of - and what they are about. I don't think anyone on this thread is saying otherwise.

capsium · 17/05/2015 08:14

Consist of not continue mists of. I don't know where that typo came from!

And delete the row. Typo again.

propelusagain · 17/05/2015 08:15

THe onus should be on the church not to pollute minds, not on us to object.

capsium · 17/05/2015 08:18

Fine, I don't aim to pollute minds, neither does any other Christian I know.

propelusagain · 17/05/2015 08:19

Of course they do. Christianity wants to spead the word, don't they, to save all us ignorant heathens from the clutches of satan.

capsium · 17/05/2015 08:28

Spreading the word is communication. Not pollution.

Saving people 'from the clutches of satan' is seeking to save and protect from harm. Not pollution.

I don't go around calling people who I would like to become good friends with ignorant heathens. The only time I might use language like this is perhaps if I knew them very well and this was used very affectionately, in jest, as a shared joke.

Hakluyt · 17/05/2015 08:30

"Tbh with any club, etc organised by the church, I think they should be completely open about what the activities they are organising will continue mists of - and what they are about. I don't think anyone on this thread is saying otherwise."

Absolutely- but they very often don't. And it seems that the prevailing view on here is that it's "caveat emptor" But what if you've already made plans based on the holiday club run in your school hall? What if your child has run to join in the lovely beach activity? What if you didn't even know that you child's school was putting on a "moving on" assembly run by a Christian group?

capsium · 17/05/2015 08:38

Hak then it is very bad communication with parents - which most people would have words about. Tbh it is part and parcel of organising childcare and being involved in your child's education. We might not like the way any subject matter is taught, or the way our children are treated, most of us will come across something we don't like. All you can do as a parent is find out as much as you can and deal with it when it arises.

propelusagain · 17/05/2015 08:47

Capsium there is a child's game a form of roughhousing, the child sets up arms like windmill, flaining them as they walk forwards, claiming that anyone who get's hurt are in the wrong, as they are simply a walking, hittting machine.

A bit like you and your church's attitude. Caveat emptor.

capsium · 17/05/2015 08:55

If I were playing that game, propel, I would be a complete mess, as would all those around me. Is that what you see, propel?

capsium · 17/05/2015 08:55

If I were playing that game, propel, I would be a complete mess, as would all those around me. Is that what you see, propel?

Italiangreyhound · 17/05/2015 08:56

propelusagain re- crap sorry I should have said in my experience. In terms of what happens in schools, in terms of what a head teacher may or may not allow in a school etc, that is not something the church can 'demand' - as far as I am aware! So if the head teacher or anyone invites anyone in to lead worship' Christian or otherwise, as far as I am aware that is at the discretion of the head teacher. Not the choice of the church. But I do not know about church schools.

I guess what I am saying propelusagain is parents normally need to 'buy into' kids doing stuff with churches. If a school has done this, this is to do with the school, and if a church has been invited in by a head teacher then that is the head teachers responsibility. I am sorry if I was not more clear on that. I must stress I am not an expert and am only speaking from my own experience of church based mission, which has included going into a school to do a short little 'skit' about a Bible story. Grin

Too no worries. Actually we were not on the beach, we were on the peir walkway thing so people could escape us easily! We also had a drop in at church where people could come for a cuppa and talk or pray. I prayed with an elderly lady who had been a church goer but had stopped when her husband died and the vicar did not visit. We prayed together in the church. Sometimes beach missions will attract people who re actually Christian but might have felt 'abandoned' by God, or the vicar. So maybe sometimes we are 'preaching to the converted!'

propelusagain re Very low and shoddy. My kids lasted one day, before they realised the whole thing was a trojan horse. Did you not know it was run by the church? If they were secretive about how it was run then I would not be happy but aside form that for me, no, not low in my opinion. Just free speech. Would you rather be in a society where people cannot share their beliefs. Where you cannot share what you think?

Clearly you are not going to agree with mission is you think we want to pollute minds, which is your right to hold that opinion. Have you considered that your kids might hold your views? Are you saying only parents should influence kids or do you just dislike Christianity or all religions?

Hakluyt you said Absolutely- but they very often don't. And it seems that the prevailing view on here is that it's "caveat emptor" But what if you've already made plans based on the holiday club run in your school hall? What if your child has run to join in the lovely beach activity? What if you didn't even know that you child's school was putting on a "moving on" assembly run by a Christian group?

"caveat emptor" - let the buyer be ware. No I don't think that is the case but ultimately we have to be careful when people are talking about religion, we can choose to believe or not.

In terms of what you know we have covered that, churches should be up front. if they are not I am happy about it but I think most are nowadays. If kids wants to do something you do not want them to you can say no.

Got to get ready for church now!!!

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Italiangreyhound · 17/05/2015 09:09

propelusagain I should say if you disagree with religion in schools it is your right to campaign against it. I would not want my kids taught about many things but people just sharing their beliefs with no pressure seems OK to me.

Hakluyt - "caveat emptor" - let the buyer be ware. I should have said yes and no, no because the church bares some responsibility but yes because we all should be aware what our kids are doing. Hope that makes sense. Apologises what I said above, No was only half an ill thought out answer! Grin

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Hakluyt · 17/05/2015 09:26

"propelusagain I should say if you disagree with religion in schools it is your right to campaign against it. I would not want my kids taught about many things but people just sharing their beliefs with no pressure seems OK to me."
So long as it's beliefs you agree with!

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 17/05/2015 09:40

Italiangreyhound

With respect to your original question, you’ve had lots of good ideas already, so I’m only going to add a few thoughts.

When you say a new housing development, I immediately think of families with young children. That makes me think about Mums (or Dads), perhaps feeling isolated, uprooted and a bit restricted in what they can do. So something for those people – keep fit, meditation or yoga classes if you have the space. Anything to bring new – and quite possibly lonely – members of the community together. (I know some churches aren’t keen on yoga but just an idea.)

Definitely leaflets over knocking on doors. When a Jehovah’s Witness said to me at the door, ‘Are you not concerned about what’s going to happen to you when you die, dear?’, it did leave me feeling a bit jangled!

On the larger question of mission/evangelism, I do think you have to proceed very, very carefully. I don’t know if you will remember but my very first post here was about the saga of my born again ex-boyfriend and the abiding effect it had on me. (You sent me a very sweet response! Flowers)

My experience has made me thinking very deeply about evangelism and its effect on families, friendships and communities. A lot of heartache can ensue so the whole thing has to be handled with wisdom and delicacy.

If members of the church are to approach those who are not, with the intent of ‘spreading the word’, let it be with tolerance and humility. The other person is not an empty vessel. They have ideas and beliefs too from which church members might learn. So let the experience be an exchange of insights. Nobody has a monopoly on the truth. Nobody.

And don’t forget that the potential convert has a whole web of connections with other people and a cultural background that might be placed in jeopardy by conversion.

I’m saying this because I’ve been hurt by evangelism, yes, but also, looking at it as rationally as I am able, I think it is an outmoded practice.

I liked what TooBusybyHalf said up-thread about being more likely to buy something if the shop assistant isn’t being too keen. I think a lot of people react like that – I know I do. So you might find paradoxically that more people will want to come to church, if you don’t evangelise.

Sikhism is an often forgotten jewel amongst religions with respect to its attitude towards conversion. There is no culture of conversion/evangelism in Sikhism and the viewpoint is more that it is good to be a Sikh but there are other valid spiritual paths. Crucially, Sikhs believe you can get into heaven without being Sikh. They welcome outsiders to their gurdwaras but don’t pursue or try to persuade non-Sikhs. If you want more information about their beliefs, they will gladly give it. If you feel you want to become a Sikh, you will be welcomed but, importantly, the impetus has to come from within you.

They also have a strong tradition of outreach work and helping vulnerable members of the community.

So I feel that Sikhism is actually quite a good model for other religious groups wishing to thrive in our modern multicultural society.

Italiangreyhound · 17/05/2015 10:02

Hak, no I did not say
So long as my beliefs you agree with!

I would be happy for people who do not share my beliefs to share about their beliefs in school. I would not be happy for them to teach my kids to follow their beliefs. I appreciate parents do not want their kids taught to believe everything school visitors say as true.

Thanks OutwiththeOutCrowd. Re When a Jehovah’s Witness said to me at the door, ‘Are you not concerned about what’s going to happen to you when you die, dear?’, it did leave me feeling a bit jangled! I am not going to say that to anyone on the door!

When was your fist post about this? I am glad if my post was helpful and sweet, nice of you to say. Grin

Totally agree, no one is an empty vessel. It is good to be reminded. It is good to have humility. I am sure I am more humble in person than I am on here (but I am too humble to say so!)

Nobody has a monopoly on the truth. Nobody. I agree but I had to smile as I read in my haste... Noddy has a monopoly on the truth. Noddy. !!!!

Noddy

Sorry, OutwiththeOutCrowd flippant. I digress.

OutwiththeOutCrowd I am so sorry you have been hurt by evangelism. Please do share here or PM me if it helps. I would like to learn what not to do as well as what to do!

Sikhism is a very nice religion in terms of some of the principles, the free food and all sitting and eating together. I have visited gurdwaras. Christians do believe that Christ is the way to heaven and that those who trust in him will go to heave, which makes mission more important, but it is not for me to say who will not get into heaven. And I honestly do not think these are things I would 'debate' when meeting people for the first time, unless they wished to.

This thread is immensely helpful to me.

Please do keep your views coming, it is so helpful. Actually some of the what not to do comments are amongst the most helpful of all. I've done mission a lot in the past so I do know some of what to do and of course we are limited by person power, but approach and attitude can be tempered by humility whether we are two or twenty or two hundred! Off to church now!

Grin Wink Thanks

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