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Ideas for local evangelism/mission, please

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Italiangreyhound · 15/05/2015 00:56

Hi, in our area we have a new housing development and our church (C of E) would like to make the new residents aware of our church, of what we offer and to invite them along to join us for events etc.

Does anyone have any ideas for local evangelism/mission, please?

Anyone tried any stuff locally that went down better than other things?

Thanks so much. Grin

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Hakluyt · 15/05/2015 21:26

Oh, capsium, don't' be silly.

I am assuming that you don't think it's OK to offer people what looks like kindly, no strings attached help or entertainment or tea and cake without telling them that there is an agenda? Because a lot of Christian groups do this- and it's despicable. I remember Beach Missions from my childhood, where jolly young people set up games and played with children, then evangelised.

Hakluyt · 15/05/2015 21:29

Very unlike notquite's parents down thread, who say "We're from X church and......." Which is obviously absolutely fine.

capsium · 15/05/2015 21:38

Hak I want to be able to help people, naturally, as they need it, no strings attached. I don't need a 'calling card' to do this. I like to help and am also a Christian. They can find out the Christian part as they get to know me, if we discuss beliefs. If I am helping in an official church organised capacity I would say to. But often, I just help, as me but that me happens also to be Christian.

Gralick · 15/05/2015 21:40

Oh, good lord (heh). I'm a rampant, church-cynical atheist but still think churches should do more to get involved with their communities. The only church I've encountered in the UK that does this well was in inner London (clerkenwell, since you ask.) If you're going to wield a still large amount of political & financial power in the name of people's souls, you should at least show an interest in those people :)

BathTangle · 15/05/2015 21:45

I totally agree Hakluyt, it is despicable.

Italiangreyhound I don't know if this would work in your area, but this is what happens in our community: We often, as a church, do things in the community, in the same way that the village hall committee, or the school do - and we are all totally open about who is doing what: e.g. at the village fete, "the church" does the tea + cake and a bottle tombola, while the village hall committee does games - it means people are aware that those groups or facilities are available, if they want them, and it means they can get to know the people in a non-church context and location. It's then much easier if people do want to come to church because they know they will see some familiar (hopefully friendly!) faces.

TooBusyByHalf · 15/05/2015 21:47

Bath I have never heard of a CoE that requires the recipients of its 'help' (food banks, soup kitchens, hostels etc etc) to buy into their beliefs as a condition of receiving it. Have you? How is that relevant to the OP's question?

Notquite's parent's 'mission' sounds lovely.

Gralick · 15/05/2015 21:48

we have a new housing development

So - households who don't know each other well. Probably lots of children. Probably a shortage of shops. Certainly a shortage of affordable places to go for a coffee. Residents unfamiliar with the area. Lack of knowledge about local beauty spots, wildlife etc, places of interest and history. Teenagers with bugger all to do and nowhere to do it. Widespread need for DIY, tools and materials. Likewise gardening.

Having any ideas yet?

Italiangreyhound · 15/05/2015 23:30

thegreenheartofmanyroundabouts excellent ideas. Grin

propelusagain we have no desire to push our religon n anyone, what in my post made you think I was planning to do that?
And your comments are rather offensive and unpleasant, was that the intention? If so, well done. If not, what is your intention.

Of course we could keep our religion to ourselves, we want to share our faith. Talk about the good things. I am well aware the church has done harm and made mistakes. I am hoping not to do that.

You are very welcome to assume we are wrong. I don't think we are. So of course I am going to go by what I believe for my own life and you must do what is right for you.

I am not greasy and have no desire to pray on anyone. This is about trying to convert. And it's plain nasty. Why? I am guessing you have experienced some hurtful Christians or Churches, for which I am very sorry. But I don't think I fall into that category. Smile

TooBusyByHalf sounds great, glad you can be a part of it. Thanks

ShaynePunim good point Grin

Vivacia re Are you after attracting new or fellow believers, both, new to the area but already Christian, new to the area no faith or alligance as such, and possibly non-Christians who are already in the area but as we will be approaching the new housing area we are less likely to meet that third category but of course if they come to anything we do, they will be as welcome as anyone else.

Vivacia re or looking for ways to follow your beliefs by helping others and letting them know what you can do, I guess this does come into it, so indeed a bit of both Thanks

notquitegrownup2 that sounds wonderful! Smile

Mission has lots of spiritual meanings but it also mean 'Mission' just like 'job'/'reason' etc that is what I think. Evangelism is not a word I like or usually use, I used it here because a lot of people would know what I mean. But really 'mission' is a warmer word, because we all have missions, things we want to do.

Hakluyt good point, we will have information with who we are etc. In the past when we have done this type of thing we have name badges etc, we are very clear about who we are. Smile

capsium yes we do got as big cross!! Wink

ItsAllKickingOffPru will do. Wink

IPlayBass fabulous, glad you love it. Grin

BathTangle no way are people required to buy into beliefs, I am not even sure how we would 'make' people believe something if our life depended on it! I can't comment on Samaritan's purse I know nothing about it. Smile

Hakluyt I hope all who engage in any kind of mission are open about who they are. I think nowadays that should be a given.

Thanks one and all.

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Italiangreyhound · 15/05/2015 23:47

Hakluyt "I am assuming that you don't think it's OK to offer people what looks like kindly, no strings attached help or entertainment or tea and cake without telling them that there is an agenda? Because a lot of Christian groups do this- and it's despicable. I remember Beach Missions from my childhood, where jolly young people set up games and played with children, then evangelised." I am not sure what you are concerned about. I have done beach missions. Normally it is clear we are from 'the church' and we have literature to giv epeople. People are on holiday and are free to walk away at any time.

I think nowadays all churches are tryng to be very open about who they are.

Plus there is a big difference between a coffee and cake and a 10 week course. When I have done things with non-Christians, like prayer at a Mind Body Spirit festival and offered prayer ever single person took the option to be prayed for. They were seeking. It was mind body SPIRIT but I would not have run after anyone who said no, trying to pray over them. But I know not all Christians groups have always been open and maybe there have been things done in the past that were not clear. Basically if you get involved with a church they re Christians and they are doing mission, even if hat mission is 'just' being nice to people because they/we/I believe that is what God wants us to do, in some form or other. How you respond is down to you. Smile

Gralick I am curious, if you are athiest why do you think churches should do anything? Just curious. Wink

BathTangle thank you Thanks

Toobusybyhalf yes we are C of E and I must admit the C of E is generally not too pushy!

Gralick* yes to Probably lots of children. but no to Probably a shortage of shops and a shortage of affordable places to go for a coffee. Because the infrastructure is here.

Yes to Residents unfamiliar with the area and lack of knowledge about local beauty spots, wildlife etc, places of interest and history.

I would imagine yes, to teenagers with bugger all to do and nowhere to do it. New houses so don't think widespread need for DIY, tools and materials. Maybe gardening.

Having any ideas yet? - yes, but my main idea is I a lie down and a cup of tea! Thanks

thanks all.

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TooBusyByHalf · 16/05/2015 08:05

I suppose also what was I was trying to acknowledge in my pp was that perhaps, over the years, the 'secular' involvement of the church in our community (and there is absolutely no preaching or evangelism at all in the several contexts that I've crossed paths with them/it) may have had a kind of spiritual influence on me despite the fact that I was not (until very recently) 'seeking' and was a confirmed atheist.

So the very fact that our church is very 'secular' in its involvement with our community may in fact have worked to draw me closer. Had anyone tried to talk to me about God or faith or Jesus I would have been very put off.

I suppose it's a personality thing though. When I go clothes shopping I leave if the assistant offers to help. If I'm left to browse quietly I might buy something. Grin

Hakluyt · 16/05/2015 08:37

" I have done beach missions. Normally it is clear we are from 'the church' and we have literature to giv epeople. People are on holiday and are free to walk away at any time."

Very difficult if it's targeted at children and it's something that's fun. Who's going to drag their child away from a puppet show or a parachute game? But maybe that doesn't happen any more.......

TooBusyByHalf · 16/05/2015 08:54

I've never heard of a 'beach mission' but I have to say it sounds awful. I hope people don't do that anymore. Hmm

Hakluyt · 16/05/2015 09:24

They do round here. Set up a puppet show on the beach, get loads of children, do increasingly Christian based performances end up with a prayer. Distribute leaflets.

Similarly "moving on" sessions in some primary schools. Page 6 of the handout before you come across the bit about it not mattering if you don't have any friends because Jesus is always your friend.

And no, I am not making this up.

madhairday · 16/05/2015 09:57

Hi Italian :)

As you know we work in Fresh Expressions so have thought about some of this stuff. A new housing estate was built recently down the road. We formulated welcome to the area leaflets which basically gave a load of info about local amenities - parks, pubs, doctors, dentists, restaurants etc with websites etc. Included a list of local places of worship for the major religions. On the back of the leaflet we just gave a little paragraph explaining who we were and where from. Lots said they found those really helpful and welcoming.

We also do things like 'the big lunch' which is a nationwide community initiative. We put on games, bouncy castle, craft, storytelling etc and invite folk to come and have a picnic. It's not an evangelism thing but a serving the community thing - this year we'll have a raffle raising money for an epilepsy charity which someone in the community runs. It's about profile raising but also about serving others and hopefully giving them a feeling of welcome. Depending on the demographic you could try different things - if it's a poorer socio economic area you can do more to help people - breakfast club for kids is one that's good or lunch club in the holidays. We do a lunch club for over 6 in the local pub.

Our demographic is v MC. We have done things like photography competitions - based around local area, judged by local paper and with prizes from local businesses. Quiz nights go down well too, especially if we're raising money for a local charity.

I agree about having a look through the fresh ex website, some great ideas on there, and hope it all goes well :)

DesperatelySeekingSanity · 16/05/2015 10:24

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Gralick · 16/05/2015 11:28

Gralick I am curious, if you are athiest why do you think churches should do anything? Just curious.

What Toobusy said, more or less - minus the 'seeking' Grin

All social enterprises have a clear responsibility towards their communities. Churches are social enterprises - with special status which they've had for ever, but the principle holds. They receive advantages & concessions because they are supposed to exist for the general good of the community. With churches, there's a further element in that members believe their spiritual mission is to do good works (that's a long discussion for other threads, btw: suffice to say I support the idea that everyone's existence is improved by doing good deeds.)

Local environmental projects, disability services, learning resources and all the other social enterprises are audited on their contributions to the community. Even commercial enterprises - supermarkets, garden centres, pubs, shops and restaurants - contribute to their communities and have budgets for it. It should be blindingly obvious, then, that churches ought to be making even greater contributions because they're part of vast & wealthy organisations. Also because they're totally predicated on the principle of doing good for others :)

Gralick · 16/05/2015 11:30

^^ I haven't checked his views, but am pretty sure Justin Welby would agree with me ... and wouldn't try to convert me, either!

Italiangreyhound · 16/05/2015 18:22

Hakluyt The last time I did one was 14 years ago so not sure but I am fairly sure it does still happen somewhere.

Too... Glad you have found it to be good and it has been right for you.

re I've never heard of a 'beach mission' but I have to say it sounds awful. I hope people don't do that anymore.

It isn't awful and I expect it may well happen still somewhere. Smile It's a free country, free to share ideas. Children are not coerced and of course parents or children are free to join in or not.

If churches did nothing for kids or required only kids from Christian families to join in we would also be accused of something 'awful'. It is a no win situation for some. But I think what we do is done with the best of intention and hopefully is as open and honest nowadays as it can be.

Thanks Madhair day I love the photo comp idea. I think we will need to start small!!!

DesperatelySeekingSanity sounds good. Thanks

Gralick thank you for answering. I agree to come extent but also there is a much bigger picture and of course you do know many of the things discussed above may well not have been funded by churches' but by 'hard working' ordinary people who happen to be Christians and who give to support churches. But to some degree, yes, we are meant to do stuff. But it is curious people who are not Christians seem a whole lot happier for us to do some stuff, e.g. not things they see as 'mission'. Which is interesting....

Thanks one and all, happy to keep talking but tea is calling.....

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Gralick · 16/05/2015 20:57

But it is curious people who are not Christians seem a whole lot happier for us to do some stuff, e.g. not things they see as 'mission'.

Well, yes! One of the beauty shops in my town always funds a load of flower beds through the summer. There's the odd notice here & there that they are sponsors, but at no point do they urge anyone to go in and get waxed & tanned. They just do it for the warm fuzzies. (This just happens to be an example I noticed today, btw. I'm not strictly equating beauticians with churches and street planters with good deeds.)

Gralick · 16/05/2015 21:02

I hadn't seen your post above mine, Sanity. What you've described is excellent!

Milliways · 16/05/2015 21:31

Our church took Homemade cakes to each new family as they moved into the new estate that sprung up, delivered with a welcome to the area card and a note of what coffee mornings, kids clubs, activities and services we hold.
We leaflet the area with details of Easter and Christmas events too.

Italiangreyhound · 16/05/2015 21:47

Gralick in the best of humour I would argue the tanning salon does not provide flower beds for the warm fussies, they do it to advertise their services.

Likewise churches may do things to advertise themselves, or God, or to be kind because they feel it is right.

The thing is churches are just a collection of people, there is usually a paid minister, maybe more than one or maybe only one between many congregations. There might be people employed to do certain roles but to some degree I feel it is the ordinary folks who often do take the lead, especially in terms of mission.

Thanks, Milliways.

Lots of great ideas, I am not sure I am up to all these great ideas! But I am very very grateful for your time in posting.

AND happy to continue the talks on the nature of mission and what 'we' do and why!

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Gralick · 16/05/2015 22:12

All organisations are collections of people.

"But it's advertising" is rather the point, is it not? The beauty salon never asks people admiring its flowers to go in & have treatments. It just quietly ensures everyone knows it's committed to beautifying the entire town, so we're more likely to think of that salon when we do want a treatment.

I find it peculiar that it is often not self-evident to churchpeople that 'mission', or serving the community, is an end in itself which brings its own advantages. Most businesses understand this with no problem and have personnel devoted to keeping their 'mission' going.

When you say people who are not Christians seem a whole lot happier for us to do some stuff, not things they see as 'mission', you sound resentful of the expectation that you would do nice things without ramming some kind of message down people's throats (I do hope I'm wrong about this!) But a generous act with an explicit quid pro quo isn't generous, it's a purchase. Warm fuzzies should be payback enough, in marketing terms and, I would dare to suggest, in personal fulfilment among your congregation.

Hakluyt · 16/05/2015 22:32

"re I've never heard of a 'beach mission' but I have to say it sounds awful. I hope people don't do that anymore.

It isn't awful and I expect it may well happen still somewhere. smile It's a free country, free to share ideas. Children are not coerced and of course parents or children are free to join in or not."

Yes- because it's soooooooo easy to drag your child away from a puppet show/ beach game/ sandcastle building competition when you discover half way through that there are strings attached.

Italiangreyhound · 16/05/2015 22:51

Gralick

All organisations are collections of people. Yes but some organisations are employers who pay their employees to do certain things, or charities which collect money to do certain things. The church is not like these. It's complicated. (I think).

But it's advertising" is rather the point, is it not? Well, you could say that or you could say it is sneaky! Subliminal advertising. I reckon however churches advertise themselves they will appeal to some and not to others simply in the method they do it! Wink

Gralick, have you been a part of a church? Recently? You said ...often not self-evident to churchpeople that 'mission', or serving the community, is an end in itself which brings its own advantages. I think it is not true of all Christians or all churches that they do not see serving others as an end in itself, I think they do see it as an end in itself. But this may well be true of some.

You said Most businesses understand this with no problem and have personnel devoted to keeping their 'mission' going. But the church is not a business, it is a family, or a body, it does not just exist to promote itself. It has other functions. Mission is one big part but not the only part.

Re When you say people who are not Christians seem a whole lot happier for us to do some stuff, not things they see as 'mission', you sound resentful of the expectation that you would do nice things without ramming some kind of message down people's throats.

I don't ram anything down anyone's throat, ever. I am only slightly resentful of your suggestion that I might! So I am not sure how I could be resentful of whatever people may or may not expect of the church. I guess I am surprised that people would be happy to take what we have to give in some situations but not understand we have things we may wish to say. They do not need to listen to those things, but I am not sure why anyone would imagine all we want to do is serve all the time. Some people do serve A LOT, but they may still want to talk about God, or to God. EG when we have a free meal we might still say 'grace'.

If you really want to know it is not about either warm fuzzies or advertising our specific church al the time. Although in this instance, with people new to the area it is about advertising where we are, but more to the point, who we are, what we do, and that the regular people of the village are welcome to join us. Some people do feel they can't just turn up, they are not sure what to wear, what will be expected of them (if anything) what will be there for the kids etc.

So some of what we do is about plain old advertising, but it is more. It is our commission, to go and tell all people about Jesus, that he is God, that he died on a cross for us, that he loves us, that we can be friends with him, that we can experience eternal life. These are the messages about God. But there is also a message about people. You are loved, you are valuable, you are wanted. It is pretty hard to run up to people in the street and say all that. So we build relationships through friendships and through contact with people not in the church and outside of it.

I have quite a few non-Christian friends so they are obviously not put off by overt evangelism! I hope. Grin

Of course we think it is important to provide help, to do things, to care, and we do not only do this so that we can give our messages. But to fail to give our message, we feel, would be to let people down. You are only worth a cup of coffee, or a cake, or a hedge trim, not to be told about the God whom we know, and love.

My comments about what others feel, who are not part of the church, is that they seem happy with the cake and coffee and surprised sometimes, that we have anything more to say.

All I am saying, is do not be surprised. We are not a group who meet to serve coffee and biscuits, although we do, and it is valuable, and of course ANY who want coffee and biscuits and no message are welcome to it. But to suggest that if we want to go further than providing coffee and biscuits we are somehow being 'unkind', is to fail to understand all that we feel we have to offer.

I am not sure what you do hope you are wrong about! My guess is, that you are, because I am not at all pushy or unpleasant, in the flesh! Not am I upset but these discussions.

When we share our message, we are not overstepping the ... generous act... and it does not become ...an explicit quid pro quo or a purchase. It is an invitation, to know the God we know, more. Those who follow a different religion or none may well not be interested, and that is fine for them. But if they are questioning or searching, they may well be interested. We do not believe we can 'make' anyone into a Christian. And I am monumentally sorry that in the past, both near and distant past, some Christians acted in any other way than a loving way to those they sought to speak to.

We may well get the 'warm fuzzies' but that is not why we do it!

I enjoy these chats so hope I have not offended you Gralick, or anyone else who is reading.

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