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Have you ever seen a ghost?

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BCBG · 10/02/2015 21:16

Serious question - have you ever seen a ghost? If so, why are you certain about what you saw? Could it have been a natural phenomenon? I ask because something I saw is preying on my mind. I was driving through a village on the East Sussex border one afternoon last year, thinking of God knows what, radio on, when all of a sudden the car filled with the smell of fuel (which makes me feel ill ). I then realised a plane was flying very low left to right across the road, so low that I thought it would crash. I couldn't see any markings on the plane but I remember the shape very clearly. I don't remember whether or not there was any noise, but I was so shocked I brought the car to a standstill and looked back across the road. I realised that to my right the land fell away very sharply, so it would have been possible for a plane to fly over me and then clear the trees heading off over the valley (i think) except that I couldn't see any plane. I honestly stood there and listened for an impact. I could still smell this incredible odour of aviation fuel (like when you are crossing the tarmac sometimes on a small airport and the wind catches you, only much stronger). Never thought about ghosts before, but I still wonder what exactly I saw that day.

OP posts:
LemonCream · 11/08/2015 16:39

No, actually there isn't.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 11/08/2015 17:20

Yes, actually there is.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 11/08/2015 17:20

Your turn Smile

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 17:41

You did not see a physical impossibility, Through. I know you'd like to have done, and I don't doubt you've done a bang up job of convincing yourself that you did but, sorry, you didn't.

No dead person defied the rules of physics to show themselves to little old you.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 11/08/2015 17:58

That's what you think.

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 18:07

Your discussion techniques are as childish as your belief in ghoulies.

You didn't see a ghost. Grow up.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 11/08/2015 18:38

Lemon Your discussion techniques aren't so great yourself with your aggressive post towards murphys followed a single arrogant sentence There is no such thing as ghosts. You have no idea. You can say what you like, I know what I saw.

OP - 2 months ago or more I would have skipped happily past your thread as irrelevant to me. Now I have seen a ghost I thought it appropriate to answer it. I don't know whether there's a practical reason for your own experience.

Ghostexperience · 11/08/2015 18:42

Actually LemonCream the laws of quantum physics make the existence of 'ghosts', if that's what they should be called, perfectly possible. If you understand the nature of reality as described by quantum physics, everything that has ever existed and will exist, exists simulatiously in layers of reality and therefore 'seeing' something from another time is actually perfectly plausible.

It has not yet been possible to create the circumstances for this to occur though...but it is scientifically plausible. I have not made this up this is part of quantum theory!

Ghostexperience · 11/08/2015 18:45

Sorry I realise my last sentence does not make much sense, I meant not been created artificially...yet. It's why the theory of time travel is scientifically possible in quantum physics.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 11/08/2015 18:58

As far as I'm concerned Ghost I'm pleased if there is a bone fide explanation for my experience. What I don't understand is why everybody doesn't see ghosts, and why it has taken me so long to see one. Incidentally, my teenagers have seen what I saw before I did (they don't know ive had the same experience) so I guess they'll live their whole lives not being sceptical and believing, rather than I am now but in my rather more mature years.

capricalia · 11/08/2015 19:09

I read science-y magazines GhostExperience, while I don't understand a lot of it Grin, the theories of time slips and alternate universes and other such physics type things come up frequently. Your experience would remind me of something like that.

TTWK · 11/08/2015 20:19

You can say what you like, I know what I saw.

But what you don't know is that what you saw actually was there. People see things, they heard things, they imagine things, the mind plays tricks.

All of these phenomena are well documented and scientifically proven. Ghosts aren't. So why, when in a situation where there is a scientific explanation and a daft supernatural one, would you opt to believe the daft supernatural one?

Fettuccinecarbonara · 11/08/2015 21:08

OP I had the same experience!

2011 driving home from work with 4yr old dd in the seat next to me whittering on as only 4 year olds can.

"Mummy, look at that aeroplane"
"Mmmm"
"NO! Mummy! LOOOOOOOK!"

I screamed and ducked, because coming over the ridge of a valley to my right was a very low flying, war plane. Camouflaged. 2 pilots. 2 Propellors at the front and one on the tail fins.

It had no sound that I noticed and I swerved, pulled in and looked to see if, or where, it had crash landed on Dartmoor, but never saw it again.

Unbelievable!

Time slip? If it was, those pilots would have been more freaked out by the amount of cars on the road!

Ghostexperience · 11/08/2015 21:21

capricalia I have picked up random bits over the years reading but I don't think it is the sort of thing most average minds can begin to comprehend is it? It makes sense to me on an intuitive level if I don't try to understand it with my mind. I do believe what happened to me was very much that sort of thing.

It makes me feel rather frustrated when people poo poo experiences in the name of science as it is my belief that science is more unbelievable and beyond the realm of our understanding than any 'woo' is!

Im not sure science actually fully understands how the mind, imagination and consciousness yet works anyway.

Believe me though TTWK I imagine things, say for example I am a bit scared of spiders and often imagine a spider out of the corner of my eye, it's not there and I know that. The experience I had was definitely not something I imagined. I have no desire to prove my experience to anyone though, so it doesn't really matter.

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 21:47

You have no idea. You can say what you like, I know what I saw

You know what you think you saw. You did not see a ghost.

I refuse to patronise grown, (presumably) educated women by pretending to respect their insistence that they saw a ghost.

Learn something about the universe you live in and have a little think about what else might be going on.

Honestly...why the fuck is THINKING so difficult for some people?.

No ghosts, no ghostly planes, no dead old women saving others from having their throats slit. It's all delusion and fantasy.

And yes...I know this for a fact.

It makes me feel rather frustrated when people poo poo experiences in the name of science as it is my belief that science is more unbelievable and beyond the realm of our understanding than any 'woo' is!

Then you don't understand science. Not a surprise - if you did you wouldn't believe in ghosts.

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 21:49

Actually LemonCream the laws of quantum physics make the existence of 'ghosts', if that's what they should be called, perfectly possible. If you understand the nature of reality as described by quantum physics, everything that has ever existed and will exist, exists simulatiously in layers of reality and therefore 'seeing' something from another time is actually perfectly plausible

I am prepared to bet my house that I know more about quantum theory than you...and what you've written is complete and utter tripe.

MissEeerie · 11/08/2015 21:55

Why are people who don't believe in ghosts, so hateful towards those who do? I struggle to hate anything that much.

Ghostexperience · 11/08/2015 21:59

I'm sure you do actually cos I don't really know much! I would love though for you to explain what happened to me with another explanation. Genuinely I would, I am open minded and curious and am not closed to my explanation being the only one, but no one has ever offered anything other than 'you imagined it'. So if that happened to you what would you think?

LemonCream · 11/08/2015 22:07

Why are people who don't believe in ghosts, so hateful towards those who do? I struggle to hate anything that much

Oh, here we go...that didn't take long, did it?

I don't hate people - I hate thought processes that demean people. And, it has to be said, It's largely women these days. I am actively embarrassed that this absolute nonsense is supported and bought into by so many women.

Yes, I know there are deluded men around too...but there's a reason that horoscopes don't appear in magazines aimed at men. And there's a reason that threads like this only appear on sites aimed at women.

Because men largely laugh at this crap. Quite rightly.

Anyone claiming to have seen a ghost is either mistaken, deluded or lying. And the longer we pat each other on the head saying "that's nice, dear" the longer this shameful twaddle will claim a respectability it does not deserve.

There are no such things as ghosts. It's 2015, we know this.

TTWK · 12/08/2015 10:48

The experience I had was definitely not something I imagined.

Half an hour on the internet, and I could find 500 soppy women who were beamed up by a spaceship, shagged by the crew, and who are now pregnant with an alien baby. They too would say they have definitely not imagined it.

Being objective, what is the most likely explanation for what you saw?
a) all the laws of physics, time and space, and biology are all wrong, and science across the world has screwed up... or
b) you are mistaken.

AlanPacino · 12/08/2015 11:11

largely women

True that. When you see the audiences that these celebrity psychics draw it is overwhelmingly woman in their 30's, 40's and 50's. There are other commonalities amongst there women but I'll leave it at that. Grin

Ghostexperience · 12/08/2015 11:12

You still haven't offered any plausible explanation using science.

Never in my life have I imagined people that were not there and yet I saw two people with leprosy on the side of a road.

I'm out of this discussion now as i do not wish to argue about this I genuinely wanted to hear other explanations.

AlanPacino · 12/08/2015 11:14

i don't try to understand it with my mind

Well you're not going to get very far trying to understand it with your foot or anything other part of your body than your brain.

AlanPacino · 12/08/2015 11:17

People can be wholeheartedly mistaken. Remember the Essex Lion? No one is saying that you are lying, but that you are mistaken in your assumption that what you think you saw were ghosts/beings that live in a different dimension or whatever. Your sincerity is not in doubt, but your assumption is.

DioneTheDiabolist · 12/08/2015 11:24

I don't think that any of the experiences or thought processes here demean women or the individuals who posted. There are plenty of ghosty threads on other discussion sites, it does not only happen on those aimed at women. It's 2015, it's easily checked on the Internet, we do actually, really know this for fact, in a provable way. I am surprised that you do not know this simple thing Lemon, but will state with complete certainty that there are no such things as ghosts.